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Glen Elliott July 6th, 2003 04:19 PM

Does Vegas have anything like Premiere's "Clip" filter?
 
Premiere has a filter you can add an opague colored border to your video on eitehr the horzontal or vertical edges that obscures the video. Does Vegas have anything that does this?

Glen Elliott July 6th, 2003 07:46 PM

Like black bars to simulate 16x9...but without using the pan/crop tool. I need to be able to obscure video on the sides as well if need be.

Edward Troxel July 6th, 2003 09:13 PM

Use Photoshop (or any paint program or even generated media) to create a mask using any types of borders you want. Any picture can be used as a mask. Use it to either put edges on top or bottom.

Glen Elliott July 7th, 2003 05:32 AM

Nevermind I found out how to do it:
-add new track
-right click, choose add generated media, solid color
-then use the track motion tool with the maintain aspect un-checked to resize it and move to whatever corner of the screen.

Not bad beings I'm a 3-week Vegas newb! ;)


PS When you use the pan-crop tool to crop to 16x9- will that just add black bars (letterboxing) on the screen? Or does that actually change it's aspect to 16x9?

Hans van Turnhout July 7th, 2003 06:29 AM

I can't understand why he would send a file from Vegas to Premiere. I have sent files from the Vegas timeline to stand-alone encoders (trial versions but I can't imagine this makes any difference) without any problems. As far as I understand the purpose of the frameserver is to be able to send the files directly from the timeline to stand-alone encoders (no need to render to intermediate files).

Glen Elliott July 7th, 2003 08:35 AM

He was trying to add an effect/filter that was specific to Premiere.
So what your saying is if I finish a project in Vegas and want to encode it in Canopus Procoder I can do so using Frame Server? I read the description and it made it sound like it was only made for transferring data from one NLE timeline to another.
Have you used Frame Server to output your timeline to a stand-alone encoder sucessfully? If so which NLE and what encoding program?

Hans van Turnhout July 7th, 2003 09:01 AM

I have done it succesfully from Vegas 4 to ProCoder (demo version 1.25) and CCE (also a demo version). Since I've only had access to demo versions the clips have been very small in size (5 minute limit with ProCoder and a 3 minute limit with CCE).

Hans

Glen Elliott July 7th, 2003 10:07 AM

So how exactly do you do it- the site doesn't have detailed directions. You export from Vegas (file> render as>) then choose Frame Server as the file type. Then what- do you have to keep Vegas open (and "serving") while you open up Procoder and start the render? Also with Procoder do you simply just choose the file being served as the source....is the render times decreased doing it this way- or is it basicly working just as if Vegas had a Procoder Plug-in. In other words, I have Procoder with the Premiere plug-in, so when I'm finished editing I can encode right from the Premiere timeline in Procoder...so in a sense Premiere is "serving" the timeline to Procoder, and works on the same premis as Frame Server?
*did I lose you, I'm rambling?!*

Edward Troxel July 7th, 2003 10:52 AM

Yes, that is the method used. Just "Render As" to the frameserver file and open that framerserver file in the target application (i.e. Procoder or CCE or whatever). If you do that to Premiere, you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

I don't know if there is any speed difference BUT you won't need all the extra disk space required for the intermediate render.

Glen Elliott July 7th, 2003 12:13 PM

Ed, so does Vegas have to stay running while Procoder encodes?

...and, why did my friend end up having to re-render the file that was being served from Vegas to Premiere?

Edward Troxel July 7th, 2003 03:06 PM

Yes, Vegas has to remain running. It can't "serve" if it is not running.

Jesper Hallen July 8th, 2003 07:23 AM

it's like the premiere's .ppj-files

Peter Moore July 10th, 2003 12:17 PM

Kewl, so what can I do in the meantime?

Dennis Adams July 10th, 2003 10:18 PM

Write a set of smaller files, use a different format (QuickTime?) or frameserve from Premeire.
///d@

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 05:36 AM

As Dennis correctly pointed out the name Alex is reffering to is
the CAPTURE device used. By default Vegas does use its own
codec and you can check this in the preferences as pointed out
in this thread.

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 05:43 AM

Can you tell us a bit more on what you did to export the movie?
What settings etc. did you use?

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 06:58 AM

I downloaded two scripts once that both copy a frame at full
quality within vegas on the clipboard. One of the two ALSO
writes it to disk as either JPG or PNG.

The nice thing is that:

1. you don't have to change your previews settings manually

2. they restore your preview window after the export

3. they export in the CORRECT aspect ratio for viewing/editing
on a PC in something like photoshop (that uses a 1.0 PA)

If anyone is interested I can e-mail both scripts. Don't know
where I downloaded those... Send me an e-mail at visuar@iname.com
if you want 'em!

Edward Troxel July 11th, 2003 09:13 AM

The scripts can be downloaded from http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_files.asp

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 09:15 AM

Indeed! Thanks for finding that again. You do need to register
with the site though (free).

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 09:27 AM

I've had good results in Vegas downcoverting the framerate.
However I did not had to upsample the resolution. Are you
referring to that?

Bill Ravens July 11th, 2003 09:42 AM

Adam...just read your post...i don't do any PAL conversions, so, can't answer your q's. hopefully someone else will know.

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 01:16 PM

AISO is a better audio standard to communicate with your
soundcard. But you must have a soundcard with AISO drivers
(installed) for this to work. Which you probably don't (usually
the more expensive cards have these drivers).

Rob Lohman July 11th, 2003 01:33 PM

If you can change some settings on the AG fiddle with those.
What is that "passive" thing?

Dennis Turkmen July 12th, 2003 02:57 PM

question about vegas
 
I am trying to use my television as an external monitor using Vegas 3.0. I have never had a problem with it before, but all of the sudden the video won't play on my television. The connnections from my computer to the camcorder to the television are all secure. Does anyone know what the problem could be?

Thanks
DVGuru@aol.com

Edward Troxel July 12th, 2003 04:22 PM

If everything is exactly the same as before and it always worked before, what changed?

Did you instal any new software?
Did you boot up in a different sequence?

Something HAS to be different. Even if it is a firewire card or cable that has gone bad. Try a different cable. Try a different card. Try a different power-up boot sequence...

Michael Wisniewski July 12th, 2003 05:47 PM

Try to narrow down the problem:

1. Can you see the video on the monitor by just playing back the tape in the camcorder?

2. Check the input mode on the monitor, maybe it's something simple like you're looking at VIDEO 2 instead of VIDEO 2.

3. Can you view the video in Vegas using the camcorder's LCD?

Dennis Turkmen July 12th, 2003 07:08 PM

1. Yes

2. My television only has Video 1. I also checked the setting on the camcorder. It's set to Video 1.

3. Yes

Michael Wisniewski July 13th, 2003 04:01 PM

Perhaps it's a setting in Vegas. Maybe you accidentally turned off the external preview button?

Might also want to ask here: DMN Forums

Peter Moore July 13th, 2003 08:04 PM

Actually it seems to be happening even with files smaller than 4 GB. It's happening on one of my files that's about 2 GB. It's uncompressed.

I'll try sacving as QuickTime uncompressed and see if that'll pick it up.

Mark Monciardini July 13th, 2003 10:47 PM

Blurred edges with Vegas 4.0?
 
I've been trying to figure out if Vegas will allow me to blur the edges of the video. Or do a blurred letter box. Does anyone know if this is possible with Vegas 4.0?

Alex Knappenberger July 13th, 2003 10:52 PM

Yup, use the "cookie cutter" or "border" video effect.

Tor Salomonsen July 14th, 2003 03:36 AM

Vegas acknowledged
 
The sub heading for this forum is Discussing DV editing with Canopus, Matrox, Pinnacle, Premiere and more.
I've been following it for a while and I think that Vegas ought to be mentioned, seeing how often it comes up in the threads. It's always nice to have one's own tools recognised by others, but more important: a passer by with an interest in Vegas might simply do that: pass by.

Rob Lohman July 14th, 2003 03:44 AM

Good point! I've sent it to the approriate "authorities" <g>

Rob Lohman July 14th, 2003 05:58 AM

I suggest you get Scenalyzer (the old free one) from here.

This might be able to convert it into a more compatible AVI file
that Vegas can read while you wait for the 4.0d update.

Dennis do you know if Grouping is going to be accesable to
scripting in 4.0d? I wrote a script to handle the Lady X episodes
we are managing and the only thing I can't do is group the
audio & video events after I added them to the project.

I know I can do this manually (which I do for now) but would
be some much better if I can do it through scripting.

Dennis Adams July 14th, 2003 06:20 AM

Rob:

I don't know that answer to that. Please post in the Vegas scripting forum, and Paul will have an answer for you.

Sincerely,

///d@

Glen Elliott July 14th, 2003 08:41 AM

I was thinking that same exact thing. For the amount of talk it gets on here it should have it's own forum!

Rick Forge July 14th, 2003 09:51 AM

Vegas 4.0 Turnkey System-looking for opinions
 
After reading the posts here for the past year it is now time to buy. All the talk about Vegas Video has convinced me that the vegas 4.0 is the way to go. I've done some brief searches for turnkey systems but the range in systems seems pretty wide- as a user what would you suggest for minimum system requirements? What should I expect to pay?

Glen Elliott July 14th, 2003 10:29 AM

Why would you shop based on minimum system requirements? If you built a system that met Vegas's minimum requirements you might be dissapointed with the results.
The things to look for are obviously processor speed, dual if possible (helps render times greatly), plus hd performance. Optimaly you'd want a RAID 0 setup, maybe a couple of 160 gig serial ATA hds. Then again I'm only running an Athlon XP 2200+, 512 DDR, 80 gig dedicated video drive...and don't have any problems with dropped frames on capture, or black frames on transitions etc.

Edward Troxel July 14th, 2003 02:33 PM

I don't think you can even buy a machine that's below Vegas' minimum requirements today. Any computer today - straight off the shelf - should pretty well work. Having said that, I would buy as fast as I could afford. Also allow for plenty of memory (512 Meg or 1Gig of RAM) and plenty of hard drive (at least a separate 100Gig drive). I wouldn't worry about RAID as IDE is plenty fast. The only other real requirement is a firewire port.

Chris Hurd July 14th, 2003 11:32 PM

Actually we're on the verge of culling all the Vegas threads and moving them to their own dedicated Vegas forum here on DV Info. So it hasn't gone unnoticed... Vegas is a hot topic around here and as soon as I come home from NYC this weekend, we hope to have this done. Thanks for your patience,


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