Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Jon Omiatek · December 13th, 2004, 04:07 PM

Again, thank you so much for the directions!

It worked like a charm. I needed to insert a clip in the timeline and have the video and 3 audio tracks move as well. First I split the tracks, grouped them and then inserted my video and audio and all the tracks moved.

Jon

Sam Vann · December 13th, 2004, 04:19 PM

thanks

Ralph Morris · December 13th, 2004, 08:01 PM

The flicker is definitely a transfer issue rather than a Vegas issue.

Virtual Dub's deflicker filter will do a pretty good job. also, the previous suggestion about a variable speed projector can work well, especially if you ride the speed control. Typical camera shutter speeds of 1/60 are usually the best compromise.

I do these transfers professionally, but specific questions are cheerfully answered free of charge. Contact me at rmorris21942 at yahoo dawt com.

Bob Costa · December 13th, 2004, 09:14 PM

I just rendered a 2min video into .WMV format, and was about to load it on my website. But then I discovered that the file size is 168MB !! This was just a tiny bit of text FX (10 seconds at beginning), 2 minutes of music and a bunch of short video segments, commercial style straight cuts. What did I do wrong? All clues appreciated.

Rhett Allen · December 13th, 2004, 09:17 PM

Sounds like you rendered it at 720x480. Pick a smaller physical size.

John Hudson · December 13th, 2004, 09:59 PM

720 X 480 is huge. Also consider getting Soreson (Codec) or a similar product to compress your work. i.e. I recently turned an 8.7 MB file (Rendered as an MPEG 2) into a 2.8 MB (MPEG 4) at 480 X 360 for :26

Bob Costa · December 13th, 2004, 10:06 PM

Thanks Rhett, that did the trick. :)

4.5 MB now :)

There are just a million little things to think about, aren't there?

Tim Crawford · December 14th, 2004, 12:34 AM

Ok, ow I am trying to figure out my projector specs. I have a Revere Model p-90. It has a variable spped motor with 16 fps normal speed. Does anyone know the range of speeds for this model as it seems trhat adjusting the speed is not helping with the flicker

David Ennis · December 14th, 2004, 12:58 AM

When I run multicam, the last (190th) selected camera segment in the event is not transferred to the master track. The master track is blank there. And that segment still shows as picture in picture in the preview screen.

1. any suggestions to make the wizard do this correctly?
2. Can I fix by editing manually?

[EDIT]
After some experimentation, I found that the last segment simply needs to be terminated with a marker, and then Excalibur works flawlessly.

Adi Head · December 14th, 2004, 01:53 AM

hi. i rendered a short clip (about 650 MB) to .avi and burned it to a cd. when i play the clip using windows media player directly from the cd, it sort of stutters. the motion is not smooth. i copied the file from the cd to my desktop and played it from there. it played perfectly.

how come? anyone have any ideas?

thanks

Ralph Morris · December 14th, 2004, 07:22 AM

Tim,
I have a Revere P-90 under my bench somewhere. I tried it as my first machine for transferring regular 8 mm before I bought one of Moviestuff's CineMate units.

From your post, I'm assuming that you can observe the change in speed of the projector as the speed dial is turned.

There are three (or more) possible problems.

It may be that the projector cannot reach 20 fps and needs oiling. (I found that 15fps almost always gave the impression that the projection was too slow. The old cameras were spring wound, and frame rate was sort of an average. )

The instruction book does say that 16 fps is the normal speed, but it does not say what the range is. I can tell you that mine would reach 20fps, based on the dissappearance of flicker.

It is also possible that your film is "dragging" in the projector. Film dries out and must be cleaned and lubricated to protect it from scratching. Unlubricated film can also cause projector belts to slip, preventing the 20 fps from being reached

Another possibility is that your camcorder is not being locked to 1/60 sec shutter speed. If it jumps to higher speeds you can get some very strange effects. 1/60 seems ideal, 1/30 and 1/15 will work but with increasing softness of image. If you are using the original 500Watt+ bulb, your camcorder may be going to a higher shutter speed. Try a neutral density filter, or project to a photo gray paper instead of white to try to knock down the brightness.

While probably not the culprit, turn off any image stabilization on your camcorder.

Edward Troxel · December 14th, 2004, 08:17 AM

Interesting... The last segment HAS been moving for me without the need for an ending marker. But I'm glad you found a solution that worked.

If you ever have a segment that does not move, it CAN be done manually. Simply pick the desired clip, manually move it to the Master track, remove the Pan/Crop settings, and then remove the Border effect.

Edward Troxel · December 14th, 2004, 08:18 AM

Can't read the file from the CD fast enough to prevent the stutters. Your hard drive is faster allowing it to play correctly.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · December 14th, 2004, 08:56 AM

One thing I notice in my files is a short interlace artifact between cuts.

The footage is progressive (DVX100) but when one scene cuts to another, there appears a split second bleeding interlace effect.

Has anyone else noticed this?

It pops up only in the rendered footage.

Brian

Tim Crawford · December 14th, 2004, 08:57 AM

Ralph,

Thanks for the info. Tried everything but the lube part. What kind of oil should I use to lube the projector? Also what is used to clean /lube the film? I think I'm getting somewhere with this and this may solve my ills. Thanks.

Tim

December 13th, 2004, 08:01 PM	#1713
Ralph Morris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chantilly, VA Posts: 57	The flicker is definitely a transfer issue rather than a Vegas issue. Virtual Dub's deflicker filter will do a pretty good job. also, the previous suggestion about a variable speed projector can work well, especially if you ride the speed control. Typical camera shutter speeds of 1/60 are usually the best compromise. I do these transfers professionally, but specific questions are cheerfully answered free of charge. Contact me at rmorris21942 at yahoo dawt com. __________________ RalphM ----------------------------------------------- 8mm/S8/16mm film-to-video transfers "Before they are gone forever..."

December 13th, 2004, 09:14 PM	#1714
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	File Size Surprise I just rendered a 2min video into .WMV format, and was about to load it on my website. But then I discovered that the file size is 168MB !! This was just a tiny bit of text FX (10 seconds at beginning), 2 minutes of music and a bunch of short video segments, commercial style straight cuts. What did I do wrong? All clues appreciated.

December 14th, 2004, 12:58 AM	#1719
David Ennis Fred Retread Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 1,227	Excalibur Question When I run multicam, the last (190th) selected camera segment in the event is not transferred to the master track. The master track is blank there. And that segment still shows as picture in picture in the preview screen. 1. any suggestions to make the wizard do this correctly? 2. Can I fix by editing manually? [EDIT] After some experimentation, I found that the last segment simply needs to be terminated with a marker, and then Excalibur works flawlessly. __________________ "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence..." - Calvin Coolidge "My brain is wired to want to know how other things are wired." - Me

December 14th, 2004, 01:53 AM	#1720
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	.avi file playing problems hi. i rendered a short clip (about 650 MB) to .avi and burned it to a cd. when i play the clip using windows media player directly from the cd, it sort of stutters. the motion is not smooth. i copied the file from the cd to my desktop and played it from there. it played perfectly. how come? anyone have any ideas? thanks

December 14th, 2004, 07:22 AM	#1721
Ralph Morris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chantilly, VA Posts: 57	Tim, I have a Revere P-90 under my bench somewhere. I tried it as my first machine for transferring regular 8 mm before I bought one of Moviestuff's CineMate units. From your post, I'm assuming that you can observe the change in speed of the projector as the speed dial is turned. There are three (or more) possible problems. It may be that the projector cannot reach 20 fps and needs oiling. (I found that 15fps almost always gave the impression that the projection was too slow. The old cameras were spring wound, and frame rate was sort of an average. ) The instruction book does say that 16 fps is the normal speed, but it does not say what the range is. I can tell you that mine would reach 20fps, based on the dissappearance of flicker. It is also possible that your film is "dragging" in the projector. Film dries out and must be cleaned and lubricated to protect it from scratching. Unlubricated film can also cause projector belts to slip, preventing the 20 fps from being reached Another possibility is that your camcorder is not being locked to 1/60 sec shutter speed. If it jumps to higher speeds you can get some very strange effects. 1/60 seems ideal, 1/30 and 1/15 will work but with increasing softness of image. If you are using the original 500Watt+ bulb, your camcorder may be going to a higher shutter speed. Try a neutral density filter, or project to a photo gray paper instead of white to try to knock down the brightness. While probably not the culprit, turn off any image stabilization on your camcorder. __________________ RalphM ----------------------------------------------- 8mm/S8/16mm film-to-video transfers "Before they are gone forever..."

December 13th, 2004, 04:07 PM	#1711
Jon Omiatek Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 755	Again, thank you so much for the directions! It worked like a charm. I needed to insert a clip in the timeline and have the video and 3 audio tracks move as well. First I split the tracks, grouped them and then inserted my video and audio and all the tracks moved. Jon

December 13th, 2004, 04:19 PM	#1712
Sam Vann New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	thanks

December 13th, 2004, 09:17 PM	#1715
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	Sounds like you rendered it at 720x480. Pick a smaller physical size.

December 13th, 2004, 09:59 PM	#1716
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	720 X 480 is huge. Also consider getting Soreson (Codec) or a similar product to compress your work. i.e. I recently turned an 8.7 MB file (Rendered as an MPEG 2) into a 2.8 MB (MPEG 4) at 480 X 360 for :26

December 13th, 2004, 10:06 PM	#1717
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	Thanks Rhett, that did the trick. :) 4.5 MB now :) There are just a million little things to think about, aren't there?

December 14th, 2004, 12:34 AM	#1718
Tim Crawford Tourist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 3	Ok, ow I am trying to figure out my projector specs. I have a Revere Model p-90. It has a variable spped motor with 16 fps normal speed. Does anyone know the range of speeds for this model as it seems trhat adjusting the speed is not helping with the flicker

December 14th, 2004, 08:17 AM	#1722
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Interesting... The last segment HAS been moving for me without the need for an ending marker. But I'm glad you found a solution that worked. If you ever have a segment that does not move, it CAN be done manually. Simply pick the desired clip, manually move it to the Master track, remove the Pan/Crop settings, and then remove the Border effect. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

December 14th, 2004, 08:18 AM	#1723
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Can't read the file from the CD fast enough to prevent the stutters. Your hard drive is faster allowing it to play correctly. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

December 14th, 2004, 08:56 AM	#1724
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	One thing I notice in my files is a short interlace artifact between cuts. The footage is progressive (DVX100) but when one scene cuts to another, there appears a split second bleeding interlace effect. Has anyone else noticed this? It pops up only in the rendered footage. Brian

December 14th, 2004, 08:57 AM	#1725
Tim Crawford Tourist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 3	Ralph, Thanks for the info. Tried everything but the lube part. What kind of oil should I use to lube the projector? Also what is used to clean /lube the film? I think I'm getting somewhere with this and this may solve my ills. Thanks. Tim