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Matt DeJonge May 3rd, 2006 12:35 PM

The only time I see this (in PPro 2.0) is when I am previewing the video while on the Effect Settings tab. If I switch over to the Effects tab, then it clears up. I don't have any fancy hardware like a matrox card or anything, so that's probably why I get studder. Could it be something like this in PPro 1.5?

Peter Ferling May 4th, 2006 07:09 AM

Without knowing all the details, I assumed that you rendered out your project about midway or so, and then reimported the newly rendered files and continued to edit? Did you start a new project? Did you import the newly rendered files into a new sequence? I'm not following you here, so I'll take the shotgun answer approach:

The best performance is to have a seperate drive for your video, and another drive for your audio and effects, and neither of them on your system drive. (Yes, three drives -which is also the case for most editing stuff out there). I usually write my effects/previews to a fast array. (Conformed audio files eat alot of disk space).

As you ramp up the number of edits, sequences, etc, the process will slow-down, especially in cases of low ram, and disk access increases. Another thing to consider is that drive performance will also take a hit when the they fill past the 50% mark, and/or become fragmented.

I've also had issues with some corrupt previews, and simply deleting the preview files and rerendering did the fix.

Ervin Farkas May 4th, 2006 11:51 AM

Marco, check out goodervideo.com, they are selling a software named MotionPerfect (free trial download) that adds additional frames to your footage. Let me know if you test it, I am curious if it works for your needs.

Dan Burnap May 5th, 2006 05:30 PM

Encore wasting space?
 
I have an Encore project which has a Premiere Pro AVI in it and nothing else. This AVI is about 850MB.

After I set the build off I noticed that a total of 263MB is going to be written to the DVD.

Why doesnt Encore utilise the rest of the DVD's space? The transcoding settings are on auto and the bit rate for the AVI is 8.6.

Surely compressing this AVI down to 260MB is going to degrade it alot, which seems unneccessary when it has over 4GB to use?

Graham Hickling May 6th, 2006 11:14 AM

The DVD specification includes a maximum bitrate for the mpeg2 file (9.8Mbit/sec I believe).

Not all standalone players can play a higher bitrate than that smoothly, even though from a compression point-of-view it should be better quality.

Monte Comeau May 6th, 2006 11:27 PM

How to change DVD write speed in PP2?
 
I have been trying to find a way to change the write speed of PP2's DVD authoring module. I cannot find a way to do this and it burns the DVD at maximum speed and I get a lot of errors on the outer edge of the disc.

When I just make a ISO file and burn it slow in Nero I get good results. Is there a way to adjust the speed in PP2? I would like to just burn the disc directly from there instead of the extra step.

Mike Wham May 10th, 2006 03:56 PM

Premiere Pro 1.5 Can't find my footage
 
I have a serious complaint with Premiere Pro 1.5. Inexplicably, every single time I open a project, it makes me manually select every single file it is looking for, even if they are all in the same directory. Why can't it just look in the working directory where they were last time (and still are) and then just load them again, rather than making me click on each and every file. Is this really what PPro was designed to do? Is there a fix/workaround? If not, I may have to consider switching to FCP.

Chris Barcellos May 10th, 2006 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Wham
I have a serious complaint with Premiere Pro 1.5. Inexplicably, every single time I open a project, it makes me manually select every single file it is looking for, even if they are all in the same directory. Why can't it just look in the working directory where they were last time (and still are) and then just load them again, rather than making me click on each and every file. Is this really what PPro was designed to do? Is there a fix/workaround? If not, I may have to consider switching to FCP.

This happens when to me when I move the files to another drive, and even though I may have the project file on the new drive, the Project file tells it to look in the old directory. It would seem to me that if you opened it once and designated all the locations, and then saved it under as a new project name, your problem would be solved. Have you tried that ?

Mike Wham May 10th, 2006 04:59 PM

Believe it or not, I hadn't thought of that. I will give it a try. Thank you.

Tim Bickford May 11th, 2006 04:35 PM

Color Correction via Color Finesse 1.5.4
 
I have a few general questions regarding color correction.

Q-1) do you get more accuracy from a analog Waveform monitor vs. a software plug in like Color Finesse?

Q-2) Does Premiere Pro-2.0 have built in Waveform monitors and vectorscopes like Color Finesse.

Thanks...

Glenn Chan May 11th, 2006 10:16 PM

1- Yes*.

An analog waveform monitor will be able to monitor the analog levels, where CF can only measure the digital levels. This difference is important, because many devices will incorrectly convert from digital to analog (the majority of DV devices will do things incorrectly, putting digital black level at the wrong analog black level). That applies to NTSC (except Japan), and not PAL.

If you are mastering to a digital format, then analog levels don't really matter. Just make sure the digital levels are correct- CF and Ppro can do that.

2- Yes.

Pat Sherman May 12th, 2006 12:32 AM

Actually you be able to open the project, link all the media and then save the same project. Now so long you don't move anything again it should keep the link information to the media.

Perhaps your project file is corrupt, which then saving as a new one may solve the problem. The other way is create a new project and import your old project file into the new one.. Then save that way..

Pat Sherman May 12th, 2006 01:04 AM

Premiere's a good editor.. If you have Encore let than handle your DVD Encoding needs. But AFAIK Write Speed isn't an option in PPRO2.

Pat Sherman May 12th, 2006 01:06 AM

You would just have to make sure your system could handle realtime playback of 8 video streams + the cutting into the final timeline..:)

J.B. Soler May 12th, 2006 10:03 AM

Upgrading to HD: What video/capture card for PPro 2.0?
 
Hi everyone!

I have been checking these boards for advise for quite, but only recently I decided to plunge and participate.

I am a multimedia producer, and have been using Adobe Premiere since 1995 (time flies!) Since 2001 I have used a Canopus DV Storm2 capture/editing board, which has allowed me to improve the speed of my SD DV productions. Things started to turn sour when Canopus decided to dump full support for Premiere Pro in favor of their new Edius editing software. Long time, faithful users of Adobe Premiere felt left out to dry. The Canopus DV Storm2 board still works well with PPro 1.5... but they no longer support PPro 2.0.

So now I am getting ready to plunge into HD and HDV with the new PPro 2.0 upgrade, and I am considering replacing my highly reliable yet obsolete DV Storm2 card with a faster, and newer HD-HDV card. I've read about the new generation of boards that work with PPro 2.0, and got very excited. Here are my questions, so maybe some of you fellows can point me in the right direction:
  • HD capture/editing card. As I mentioned, I am very excited about the AJA Xena HS card. I have also read a bit about the Blackmagic Decklink HD card. Which one do you guys recommend? Which one is better for real-time editing in HD-HDV?

  • HD and HDV capture: I’m fairly new to HDV (like most), and there’s something I am wondering about the capture process (please disregard my ignorance if this seems too trite). I am used to transferring my footage through Firewire. It’s a very clean and effective process. I’ve noticed that the new generation of HD capture cards do not have a Firewire input. Instead, they use BNC component inputs and an AES/EBU 15-pin D connection. Am I missing something?

  • In addition, I will need a new video card, and I am considering one of the new nVidia Quadro cards, so I could work with other applications (e.g.: Magic Bullet) and defer most of the rendering from the software to this hardware card. Should I check the Quadro line or should I check other alternatives that would actually work with my video applications?
Thanks in advance, and I look forward to your advice.

Joyce Mahoney May 12th, 2006 01:46 PM

Looks like S$#^
 
Boy, you know you're rolling along doin' fine about 65 and then WHAM, Premiere smashup!!! I finished my trailer, a 1-min intro and went to export it and even though it looks great on the monitor in the build, it looks horrible after export. I'm merely clicking Adobe Media Encoder and selecting a simple preset. I've tried a few of them. Can anyone tell me if there's a preferred preset to be used for streaming from a server for my website AND what happens when I try to export to 720X480 to include within another project? This is Adobe 1.5 that I'm using to finish a project I started in it and ten I'm moving over to 2.0.

Steven Gotz May 12th, 2006 01:52 PM

Exporting a DV AVO at 720X480 is done through Export > Movie and should be fairly straightforward. Select DV AVI eliminates a lot of choices. On purpose.

Exporting for a web site is usually done at 320X240 or so, and at around 512K data rate. Higher if quality is a serious issue.

Just remember that a preset is merely a suggestion and there are many ways to adjust the settings. It is more an art than a science and really depends on the footage. Someone on sand can be compressed a lot more than someone standing at the water's edge. Water is hard to compress. So telling you the exact settings is virtually impossible.

Tim Bickford May 12th, 2006 01:55 PM

Thanks for the information.

I'm mastering to DVD. Also-I'm still learning color correction. CF has been very helpful - however... it has not been easy to learn the craft of color correction. Thanks again!

Tim

Alex Thames May 13th, 2006 09:57 PM

Making DVDs from Premiere (no .mpeg2?)
 
This question is for a friend, so I'm not sure about all the details.

He is using Premiere. He has his project all edited and done and now he wants to export it to a format(s) that can be used to make a DVD with a third party DVD authoring software (ULead).

I've heard that DVDs use .mpg (mpeg2) video and .ac3 audio. But my friend says that he can't export from Premiere as .mpg (mpeg2).

How do you guys export as .mpg2 or do you not do that and there is some other way to make a DVD?

David Lach May 13th, 2006 10:51 PM

Which version of Premiere? You can export to an Mpeg2 format through the Adobe Media Encoder. Choose File/Export/Adobe Media Encoder. Unless your friend is using the demo version of PPro 2.0, which doesn't have the ability to encode to Mpeg2.

Joseph B Smith May 14th, 2006 10:49 AM

Problem capturing analog
 
When I try to capture analog through my Pinnacle Moviebox (firewire), it shows on the capture screen in premiere.. and records for about five seconds.. then stops recording,.. popping up a prompt to save the file. Then, below that window, is a popup saying that recording ceased due to "no timecode detected.
"

There has to be a way to capture non-timecoded material through premiere.

Sound familiar to anyone?

J

Daniel Patton May 14th, 2006 10:04 PM

I'm not real clear on why you feel the need to purchase an additional card to capture HDV? We have been using PPro 2 with the JVC HD100 Cineform and edit in RT thanks to the Cineform codec.

The cards you are talking about are BNC component to capture the video stream pre-mpeg encoded before it hits the tape, in a form uncompressed (although some will argue the term "uncompressed" as the video signal is "pre-encoded" more than anything). You do not need to go this route, even less so if you have a workflow via firewire and don't wish to change for HDV. You can (in most cases, camera dependent) still use the firware option and work the same way you did with DV. Check out the Cineform codec, very fast playback/edit and no additional high cost of a card. Also works very well for keying, it's a clean signal even with compression.

I am still trying to decide on a video card as well, so no help there.

Good luck!

Aviv Hallale May 15th, 2006 11:24 AM

Not understanding ripple edits.
 
The Premiere Pro 2 help center says, concerning ripple edts, "The edit point is dragged earlier in time—shortening the preceding clip and the total program duration."

It doesn't seem to do this with me. When I use the ripple edit, the clip that I use it on just gets longer which the preceding clip stays the same length and the total program duration in fact gets longer, and not shorter.

The rolling edit seems to work as described, the clip I use the edit on gets longer while the preceding clip is shortened (the amount of frames I increase the in point on the one clip is the same amount of frames that the outclip of the preceding clip is shortened by)

Am I doing anything wrong concerning not getting the described result with the ripple edit? ...I've noticed that it does work, but only when I use it on the edit-out point of a clip.


Do any of you really make use of these tools? Especially the Slide and Slip tools, whose concept I can't seem to grasp either...

Is a:

Rolling edit: Used to lengthen one clip, while shortening the clip before it to keep the program duration the same.

Ripple edit: Lengthen one clip, while leaving the clip before it the same and lengthening the program duration (contrary to the what the help center says)

Slip Edit: Changes the In and Out points of the clip without lengthening or shortening it or otherwise changing it's duration

Slide Edit: It moves the location of the center clip earlier in the sequence and shortens the preceeding clip and lengthens the proceeding clip but leaves the center clip's duration unchanged.

Are these right?

Jean-Francois Robichaud May 15th, 2006 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aviv Hallale
Is a:

Rolling edit: Used to lengthen one clip, while shortening the clip before it to keep the program duration the same.

Ripple edit: Lengthen one clip, while leaving the clip before it the same and lengthening the program duration (contrary to the what the help center says)

Slip Edit: Changes the In and Out points of the clip without lengthening or shortening it or otherwise changing it's duration

Slide Edit: It moves the location of the center clip earlier in the sequence and shortens the preceeding clip and lengthens the proceeding clip but leaves the center clip's duration unchanged.

Are these right?

Your understanding is correct.

It's good to see the relations between the different edit tools and how you can get the same results with 2 different tools; though it might require more than one action. Try to go for the most efficient tool for what you need to do (and learn the shortcuts! You shouldn't even need to leave the tool selection bar open)

Ripple editing implies that the editing action pulls or pushes the rest of the program depending on whether you add or remove frames from the target clip. Usually this is the tool I use the most, but as my edit gets more complete, I tend to use the other tools more.

A rolling edit just moves the edit point left or right, without changing the position of either clips, and without changing the program duration. Very useful if your duration is locked (to music for instance); also, using it on the audio only (with Alt) lets you do an L or J cut. You could get the result of a rolling edit by using the ripple tool twice: one edit on the first clip and another on the second clip, but it's a lot faster to use the right tool for the job.

Slip doesn't move the target clip or change it's duration. But it changes the content of the clip. To get the result of a slip edit with the ripple tool, you would need to perform a ripple edit on the head of the clip and another ripple edit on the same clip's tail.

I never use slide edits. Never found a use for it.

Robert Holley May 15th, 2006 05:35 PM

I still need help
 
Anyone with an answer, please help me out

Robert Holley May 15th, 2006 05:36 PM

I am using PPro1.5, and 4:3 footage, every time i overlay a QT file with an alpha channel, my footage widens when rendered

J.B. Soler May 16th, 2006 09:15 AM

Thanks for your suggestions.

Regarding Cineform: does it allow you to edit the HDV stream directly? I heard somewhere else you need to convert to AVI first. Please let me know if that info is wrong.

My goal is to minimize all this formatting work in post as much as possible. That's why I was looking for an editing/capture card that would allow me to work with native HD / HDV footage. I got used to working on DV with a Canopus card, and it certainly did speed up my work process, since much of the DV processing and rendering is handled by the card, not by the CPU.

Are these types of cards no longer necessary with the upcoming dual and quad-core computers? I'm still using an Intel 3.2GHz, which can be slow with certain applications.

Chris Barcellos May 16th, 2006 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.B. Soler
Thanks for your suggestions.

Regarding Cineform: does it allow you to edit the HDV stream directly? I heard somewhere else you need to convert to AVI first. Please let me know if that info is wrong.

My goal is to minimize all this formatting work in post as much as possible. That's why I was looking for an editing/capture card that would allow me to work with native HD / HDV footage. I got used to working on DV with a Canopus card, and it certainly did speed up my work process, since much of the DV processing and rendering is handled by the card, not by the CPU.

Are these types of cards no longer necessary with the upcoming dual and quad-core computers? I'm still using an Intel 3.2GHz, which can be slow with certain applications.

The Cineform codec gives a .avi output intermediate file for editing. The idea behind it is to allow you to edit in near real time (in Premiere Pro 2.0 using Aspect.) HDV native editing is processor intensive. Each frame relies on interpretation from the prior. When the HDV is Captured using the Cineform intermediate codec, it creates a frame by frame file. Much larger, but much easier to process.

Ryan Mellish May 21st, 2006 03:37 PM

Hollywood FX in Premiere 2.0
 
Does Pinnacle Hollywood FX work as a plugin for Premiere 2.0 pro? If so, how does one add it?

Matt Throop May 23rd, 2006 02:53 AM

Dropped Frames in Premiere Pro
 
Well I finally got around to editing on my new computer, and I just finally borrowed a digital Hi-8 to dump all the footage I wanted to edit onto my computer. So I'm capturing and then Premiere starts to drop frames and then when I go to watch the footage in Premiere it's all choppy.

My editing computer:
P4 3.0 GhzE
Asus P4V8X-MX s478 mATX AGP Motherboard
OCZ 1GB 400MHz RAM
200 GB Sata
StarTech PCI1394-2 2 Port IEEE-1394 PCI
ATI Radeon 8500 128MB

So I think it's my computer or something, because I haven't ran into this problem before when I edited at my old school.

Also I'm pretty new to the whole world, so I don't really know the terminology.

So thanks for your help. It's really appreciated.

Later.

- Matt

Trond Saetre May 23rd, 2006 09:47 AM

Your computer's specs is better than the one I use. And I have never experienced a single drop out during capture. (I use Premiere Pro 2.0)
So I'm sure your computer is good enough.

Do you run any other software at the same time as you capture?
This might cause drop outs.
Also check if your harddrive needs defragmentation.

Carlos E. Martinez May 23rd, 2006 12:03 PM

Have you ever captured anything else with that setup? DV or analog stuff?

Dirty heads also may cause that, but I am not sure of that.

Are the capture parameters correctly setup?

Why don't you use the camera as a converter and input some DVD stuff through it?

Yossi Margolin May 23rd, 2006 12:32 PM

Hi,

I don't know if this will work in PPro 2.0, but here's how I got Hollywood FX 5 to work in PPro 1.5:

After installing Hollywood FX, go to C:\Program Files\Pinnacle\Hollywood FX 5\Host Plugins\Edition and copy the file HfxEdt5.vfx to C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5\Plug-ins\en_US and rename it HfxEdt5.prm.

Repeat this for the file C:\Program Files\Pinnacle\Hollywood FX 5\Host Plugins\EditionFilter\Fl-HfxEdt5.vfx.

If you have Hollywood FX 6, I think you are out of luck

Hope this helps

Ryan Mellish May 23rd, 2006 02:27 PM

I could find the .vfx file, but not the .prm. Do you rename the .vfx file? I have hollywood FX 5.x

Yossi Margolin May 23rd, 2006 02:42 PM

change the .vfx extension to .prm

James Huenergardt May 23rd, 2006 02:59 PM

How do they do it?
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but when I go to www.quicktime.com and play back movie trailers, they look magnificent and stream really fast.

Is there some 'magic' software I'm needing to get my videos to stream that quickly and look that good, or can I do that right out of Premiere Pro?

I know most trailers were shot on film, and that makes a difference, but with HDV/Z1U stuff, I should be able to make something come out looking close.

Anyone have some suggestions?

Thanks,

Jim

Matt Throop May 23rd, 2006 04:03 PM

No, it was the first thing I have ever went to capture. Also the hard drive was just setup with Windows XP Pro with only Premiere, Photoshop, and Adobe After Effects. That's all.

I closed all the programs I was using besides Premiere before I went to capture. So I don't know.

So it could be the camera?

How would I set up the capture parameters correctly? Because the video shows up in the capture screen, and I can rewind and fast forward fine.

Well I'll try my friend's camera first and see if that works.

Also I'm sorry, I'm pretty new at this stuff.

Dan Euritt May 23rd, 2006 04:54 PM

if you go to www.windowsmedia.com/Mediaguide/Movies and look at some of the movie trailers, you'll see that they stream really fast, and that they look really good.

in fact, any internet video clip can look good, if you throw enough bandwidth at it, and serve it up on real streaming media servers.

i do it with the canopus procoder, but you should be able to get great results with the free windows media encoder... premiere pro should have similar capability... just make sure to always use two-pass encoding, with the latest codecs... windows media 9, or flash 8(the on2 codec).

Bryan Leighty May 24th, 2006 07:38 AM

Workflow advice - Premiere /AE
 
Beginner Editor looking to dig into AE..

I am getting well versed in the Premiere Pro 1.5 workflow. Have been editing a number of short clips, fashion shows, etc. Nothing too fancy, but I really want to start incorporating some AE effects and begin expanding my skills.

Regarding workflow...

Lets say I have a 5 minute video and I just need to add effect to a couple clips. Do I do a complete PP edit and clip out those few moments needing to go into AE and then re-import the AE finished work and re-add them to the PP timeline? or... Do I edit the entire video and import the entire thing into AE and work on just those couple moments and then export directly from AE?

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks so much!

Bryan

Jeff Cottrone May 24th, 2006 09:08 AM

Bryan, by the way, the new Adobe Production Studio with Dynamic Link makes this problem obsolete, but apparently that makes two of us who don't have it.

Since your video is so short (5 min) it's more a matter of personal preference than anything that will save you time. In this case, I would do the full five-minute edit, then export the whole project into AE, then keyframe the effects. As long as you export with a lossless codec (like Huffy), or uncompressed, you won't lose any quality. If it were a 60-minute project I would just export the clips, do the effects, then re-import them into the Premiere timeline.

Hope that helps.


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