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James Hurd January 15th, 2005 10:29 PM

Micro35
 
Hey guys,
Well, I've finally resolved my abberation problems with my macro. I ended up making my own. I bought enough parts to make many more as well. So overcoming this milestone allowed me to move on to completing the production grade micro35. I'll be releasing a guide on how to do it yourself. I'll also be selling the parts online for you guys that live in the sticks. And all you guys with two left hands, I'll assemble them for you as well. I promised myself I wouldn't post anymore "test looking" shots. But here goes anyways... I'm very happy with it and its size (3"x4") and the new rail setup.

15MB (Please download to your computer)
www.micro35.com/micro35.wmv

For all you guys that emailed me and anyone interested, please check out www.micro35.com and get on the list!

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions!

Kyle Cutshaw January 16th, 2005 03:19 AM

First off, wow! that looks great! Looks like true 35mm. Did you shoot that off the dvx-100a?

Filip Kovcin January 16th, 2005 09:51 AM

exellent footage.

i noticed really minor "rotating" atrefacts in brighter parts of the shot. (i.e. when sky is somehow in the frame) or it is due to compression?

filip

James Hurd January 16th, 2005 12:08 PM

DVX100A!! And I love iT!

I messed up an shot it with my first rev GG.... I'm shooting a music video with it in the next few weeks so I'll have some production footage available. Until then, keep a lookout for the guide!

Jim Lafferty January 16th, 2005 02:02 PM

Looks great -- I see the spinning in the sky, too :/

I assume you've got pics of the rig coming? Spinning/oscillating rigs produce the best images so far, but generally seem prohibitively bulky to me.

- jim

Brett Erskine January 16th, 2005 02:15 PM

James remind me again...Are you rotating the GG or oscillating it? If your rotating it what size is the image your framing up on the GG? And if your rotating it are you filming the GG off center or right in the middle? Excellent footage btw! I see a acceptable amount of sharpness in the compressed footage. Im downloading the uncompressed version of the file right now. Cant wait to see what it can do. Could you shoot a rez chart both with and without? Thanks again. It looks like all of your hard work paid off!

James Hurd January 16th, 2005 02:39 PM

It's not bulky at all. I shot some steadicam stuff with it and it flies great. I would have stuck it in the test video, but it wasn't very "horsey".

www.micro35.com/m351.jpg
www.micro35.com/m352.jpg

Sorry for the goofy light. I've been too lazy to take it off.

Brett, I used your framing pic to size up the frame. (It's off center). Again, I screwed up and used to first gg. it was a bit spotty. Sharpness is really sweet... I used a rez chart printed on a 13"x19" printer during the development. This was my first day of getting it out of the house. You'll be amazed of how simple and cheap it is to build. It won't require any machining etc.

I'm planning on taking the rig down to a production house close by. I plan on doing some real tests with different lens, follow focuses etc. for the guide...

Kyle, can I quote you on that? ("First off, wow! that looks great! Looks like true 35mm.")

Thanks again for the comments!

Kyle Edwards January 16th, 2005 03:53 PM

Can't wait for the guide.

Dillon Thomas January 16th, 2005 04:44 PM

Dude.

I want one.

Count me in to buy the guide or buy the apparatus.

Thanks!

Dillon

Jim Lafferty January 17th, 2005 12:59 AM

"It's not bulky at all."

You say that and yet I don't see many pictures with it on your shoulder :)

Good luck -- congrats on the quality of the footage -- it's superb.

- jim

Brett Erskine January 17th, 2005 01:15 AM

So its rotating - not oscillating? Hows the noise? RPMS? Again great job. Just trying to figure out if I should get my check book out.

Kyle Cutshaw January 17th, 2005 03:27 AM

Sure you can quote me! lol

Rabi Syid January 17th, 2005 03:49 AM

Count me in. When will the guide be ready?

lilbowrabi@hotmail.com

James Hurd January 17th, 2005 10:21 AM

Hey Brett,
It is completly silent with zero vibration!

Thanks again guys!

Mateusz Metelski January 17th, 2005 03:55 PM

Hello everyone! This is my first post.

James,

will your guide be useful for European people like me? I mean, does it describe dimensions in metric system as well as in inches? Also does Micro35 contain parts that cannot be obtained outside the US?

Thanks for such an amazing device! I'm already on your list.

Mateusz

Kyle Edwards January 17th, 2005 05:57 PM

If those issues are a problem, James also mentioned he could build one for you. Might be a bit more, but can save you the hassle.


Any ETA on the guide James?

Allen Liu January 17th, 2005 07:57 PM

Hey, this is my first post as well.

James, I'm wondering if you'd be able to tell me if your adapter can fit a GL-2, and not only a DVX100A. Is there some sort of simply modifcation I can make to have it fit?

Rabi Syid January 18th, 2005 03:48 AM

Also would it work on the XL2?

Donnie Wagner January 18th, 2005 10:50 AM

LINKS ARE DOWN!
 
Cant get a look at the .jpeg's and .mov cause the links are down.

Cosmin Rotaru January 18th, 2005 01:00 PM

yes, link's down.. :(

James Hurd January 18th, 2005 01:54 PM

Hey Guys,
Sorry about the server going down! I've had an incredible amount of interests, enough that my server couldn't handle them...

All is good though. Yes, I can put the drawings in metric. It will work with the XL2 and the GL-2. I'm trying to obtain mechanical drawings to make sure the fit just right. The way the device is designed, it really comes down to having a macro fit for the threads. If you guys looking for other cameras besides the dvx could email me your thread sizes, it may save me some time...

I will certainly be available to assemble these for you guys that are ready to shoot! Its really easy, as you guys already know, to get side-tracked on this kind of stuff instead of out there making the next big indie film!

Thanks again!

Cody Dulock January 18th, 2005 02:01 PM

i really liked the footage.

are you going to be selling the guide on how to make it or will it be free? what part of texas are you in?

James Hurd January 18th, 2005 02:06 PM

I'll be selling the guide to try to recoup some of my expenses over the last year and a half of developing this. I'm hoping it will be around $30. My intent is to provide a guide that explains how to make it for less than the price of the guide! So far, so good!

I'll be spending the rest of the week finalizing the guide and should have it off to the printers by early next week.

Thanks for all the responses!

(DFW)

Matt Champagne January 19th, 2005 05:28 PM

Perhaps you could make a pdf version or ebook? But I'd understand if that is a bit more difficult to keep secure...

$30 sounds great...count me in.

Eric Gaston January 20th, 2005 09:47 AM

Just saw the footage and it looks great! I just bought a Canon XM-2 and would love to use your Micro35, so count me in for a guide .. or better a pre build Micro35.

James Hurd January 20th, 2005 09:49 AM

Eric,
Thanks! I'm working on getting my hands on an XL1/XL2. I'm sure it would work today, but I'm trying to get it to work without the big lens that comes with the canon.

Make sure you're on the List!

www.micro35.com

Thanks again,

James

Eric Gaston January 20th, 2005 11:48 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by James Hurd : Eric,
Thanks! I'm working on getting my hands on an XL1/XL2. I'm sure it would work today, but I'm trying to get it to work without the big lens that comes with the canon.

Make sure you're on the List!

www.micro35.com

Thanks again,

James -->>>


I'm allready on the list... first thing I did when I read this thread. :-)

Oh and my cam is the Pal version of the Canon GL-2.. wish I had the XL-2 though.

James Hurd January 20th, 2005 11:51 AM

GL-2 Will work too!

Ramon Georges January 20th, 2005 02:30 PM

Boy, your footage looks great. I'm impressed. I'd like to see the uncompressed version.

Last year, I made a half-hearted attempt to duplicate the Agus35 gadget. It worked, but my samples didn't look nearly as good as some others I saw. Then everybody took their designs in all sorts of directions. With the many variations that started showing up on the threads, I shelved the idea and decided to see what design would win out in the end.

It's nice to finally see that someone is willing to take the bull by the horns (or maybe in your instance, the horse by the reins) and put together something that people can understand and use.

I've added my name to your list and look forward to making a second attempt when I purchase your guide. Now that I'm a year wiser, I'm hoping that my experience and an improved design will result in much better footage.

For me, that would rock!!

Mark Easton January 20th, 2005 04:43 PM

Hi James

I'd be keen if it will fit the Panasonic GS400
Also I'm interested in an ebook version if you can figure some way of doing that.

Can you detail how much equipment you'd need to make the device i.e. Do you need engineering equipment such as a lathe etc? Feel free to point me to another thread if this has already been answered

Cheers
Mark

James Webb January 20th, 2005 05:00 PM

Beautiful!
 
For those who email me inquiring about my adapter, I can now give them solid advice. I'll send them to you!

Good work James.


James Webb
LIFE AGAINST MEMORY
Director/DP
Enormous Apparatus Films
www.enormousapparatus.com

Craig Bellaire January 20th, 2005 07:06 PM

Hurry Up
 
OK I'm am currently working on making an agus adapter and am a bit fristrated... so Please Hurry on the plans... thanks

James Hurd January 20th, 2005 10:05 PM

I'll be emailing out an update this weekend to everyone on the list.

I made a HUGE step for everyone making this adapter. It involves a Hi-res GG, Laser, and a cheaper price!

Get on the List!

www.micro35.com

Brian Arwari January 21st, 2005 11:14 AM

James, Great stuff.
I'm also concerned about finding the parts here in Italy. I guess I'll have to wait to see the plans, or order one from you.
Ciao!

James Hurd January 21st, 2005 08:25 PM

I'll have the parts available if you have any problems finding them.
And as I make advances on the project and find lower pricing, I'll be sharing that with you as well.

j

John Sandel January 21st, 2005 10:00 PM

"Hi-res GG, Laser"
 
James, could you elaborate a bit? What role does a laser play in your gadget?

If "GG" means "ground glass, " how is one higher-resolution than another?

JS

Aaron Shaw January 21st, 2005 10:05 PM

I'll leave the laser question for James but regarding resolution:

The finer the grind on a glass the more detail you can theoretically capture. What these adapters try to do is disperse light. Any light that goes straight through the ground glass does not contribute to the overall resolution captured on the glass. Finer grain disperses more giving you a rise in resolution that the glass can actually capture.

James Hurd January 21st, 2005 10:06 PM

I'm having ground glass "gg" being made by a company that's using several machines including a laser to insure uniformity and very very fine grit.

Well said Aaron.

Kyle Cutshaw January 21st, 2005 10:25 PM

I Love the work you are doin james.
AS soon as you get yur new gg, will you be posting some new video?

John Sandel January 21st, 2005 10:28 PM

lasers & light dispersion
 
Got it. Thanks.

I'm new to this subject (ground-glass dispersion). Have you fellows, in your travels, come across some way of quantifying this implied ratio of texture-to-dispersion?

I ask because there's been so much speculation & experimenting (on this site, at least) about schemes for improving just that aspect of the ground-glass components in these gadgets.

JS


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