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Dylan Couper
March 31st, 2003, 10:00 PM
My Device Manager lists under IEEE 1394 Bus host controllers that I have a "VIA OHCI COmpliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller"

I deleted it and let Windows re-detect it and it came back as the same thing.
Should I force it to use the Microsoft driver, and if so, how?


Thanks!

Trey Perrone
March 31st, 2003, 10:22 PM
this really sounds like an issue with vegas.

check the settings in vegas3....you could always uninstall.reinstall vegas...if you can capture in micro$oft's movie maker it seems the issue lies strictly within vegas.

when you have the cam connected you should see it liseted under my computer in explorer...shows in mine in XP.

mes with vegas, may have to see what choices it has, but it sounds like XP recognizes the cam. i wouldnt force the driver on the card itself. inf files are only written for the device they are meant to function with. you could try manually changing the driver and see if it lists any others under.

check out: http://forums.viaarena.com

if you goto options/preferences in the capture you could choose "default all" on all the different panels...reset it.

Hey if it was werking three days ago, why not use tyhe system restore function...it will not erase and data files, only modify system changes.

David Mintzer
March 31st, 2003, 10:37 PM
Dylan---why dont you ask over at the
Sonic Foundry Vegas forum----some of the techs hang out in there an could probably answer your question---This is the first I have heard of anyone having a problem like that.

Jeremy Nixon
April 1st, 2003, 03:21 PM
Here's what I'm looking for.

I have my first clip play and it's 20 seconds. About 5 seconds into the clip, I want to place some "Generated Media" Text over top of the clip . So you can see the clip , and the text too. How do I go about doing this ?

Thanks in advance.

Jer

Edward Troxel
April 1st, 2003, 03:55 PM
I think you will find the problem is related to "VIA". See if they have any updated drivers.

Edward Troxel
April 1st, 2003, 03:59 PM
Add another video track above your current track. Drag any video preset into the new video track. The ones with the "checkerboard" background are transparent so the video below will show through.


Also, go to www.jetdv.com/tts and check out the newsletters - and the index reference which will give you a sneak preview of the contents of the next issue (i.e. Beginners Corner).

Rick Spilman
April 1st, 2003, 04:02 PM
Go to "Media Generator", click on "text", then choose text with a transparent background (the background shows up as a gray checkerboard.) Drag your choice of text style to a video track above the clip you want to overlay. A text editing box will open. Type in the text you want. That's about it.

Jeremy Nixon
April 1st, 2003, 04:15 PM
I was putting the text track under the video track. :(

Thanks..

Jer

Robert Poulton
April 1st, 2003, 04:36 PM
well you can buy a $100 sound card that will allow you to work with the 5.1 within your computer. From there I assume that you can then have 3 sets of computer speakers or just those really nice kiplic (sp) sourround speakers that are the only THX certified computer speakers on the market.
Those speakers cost $300, so I think you might be spending just about the same for buying one of those full home theater systems that are prepackaged.

I dont have the sound card yet or the speakers. Alittle expensive, but I was still playing with the interface in vegas. It is the way I would like to see every interface work.

Rob:D

Dylan Couper
April 2nd, 2003, 01:21 AM
I'll check for drivers, but I don't see why it would stop working all of a suddent. It's been working fine for months and nothing has been changed on my editing system.

Bill Ravens
April 2nd, 2003, 08:01 AM
I'm using the 5.1 surround capability quite extensively. It's a really great feature that will be coming into it's own, more as software becomes available to playback 5.1 surround. There still seems to be a few glitches, as with any new technology, in the 5.1 surround players. I've had the best luck with Zoomplayer and a few add on ac3 filters. Once this is fixed up, it sounds absolutely terrific.

Dylan Couper
April 2nd, 2003, 08:24 PM
Trey wins the "closest horseshoe" prize.
I messed with it, fixed nothing, then uninstalled/reinstalled it and it worked fine.

Trey Perrone
April 3rd, 2003, 02:10 AM
Thanks! It was only an inch from the pole! its good that you posted some kind of resolution though, its a pain when you have an issue and you cant find something to help. hopefully if someone runs into a similar prob they will see this thread and it will somehow help them!

did you simply reinstall vegas or drivers?

Harry Settle
April 3rd, 2003, 07:46 PM
I am addressing this to Vegas users, however, I know that it will apply to other NLE's.

I have made a few photo montage projects, they turned out well, but, I am maybe realizing that I have been doing something fundamentaly wrong. First I set a background, then I import my photos, and have, for the most part, simply left them at whatever size they import at. This usually means the the pictures pretty much fill the screen, with very little background showing. I do use some movement, zoom etc. . .

When you all import your photos, what percent of the viewing screen do you usually fill?

Don Bloom
April 3rd, 2003, 09:25 PM
Harry,
man you're like me. Showing up all over the place, I guess we all go to the various forums to find out what we don't know :)
Anyway, it depends on the subject, how good the original is, the music, the feel I'm trying to get from that particular picture in the montage. Generally I try to stay between about 60% and 85% of the screen size, leaving some of the background showing as a frame. I've been know to go down to about 25-30% and up to 100% if it fits the mood I'm trying to get. All a personal choice I guess.
Well, I'll see you 'over there'
have fun,
Don B.

Edward Troxel
April 3rd, 2003, 09:51 PM
Resize your pictures using Pan/Crop. I would also consider using keyframes to change size and/or pan the pictures instead of leaving them static on the screen. It makes the stills look more like video instead of a slide show.

Harry Settle
April 3rd, 2003, 10:03 PM
I use pan/crop all the time. For some reason it never occured to me that I might have too much picture on the screen and not enough background.

Dylan Couper
April 3rd, 2003, 11:29 PM
Reinstalled Vegas to fix the problem. It nags at me though, why did the problem happen in the first place?
Oh well, just glad it works again....

Don Donatello
April 4th, 2003, 10:09 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030404/45170_1.html

Rob Lohman
April 4th, 2003, 10:33 AM
Very interesting! They are really trying to take the market eh...

Joe Carney
April 5th, 2003, 01:45 PM
They are officially adding HD support, at up to 2k resolution. No more 800x800 max rez restriction on output.

If you want to use an HD SDI card to capture, you will have to either use that cards capture utility, or hope they make a Windows media compatible interface. BlackMagic designs has QTWin codecs that already work with Vegas, and they are free. They are adding windows support for the SD and HD SDI cards. Considering their relatively low prices, combined with Vegas, it will be a very affordable HD solution it seems. time to start looking at high performance Raid setups hehehe.

Remeber, Vegas will work with any Codec installed under Windows Media (vfw or DirectShow) or Quicktime for Win plug in.

Sam Looc
April 7th, 2003, 03:01 PM
Hi, I am new to this software. I am a Adobe premiere user. I am thinking of switching but I am completely foriegn to Vegas. I know how to import clips and trim it, but how do I clip my footages so I am able to have that letterbox look? How do I seperate the audio track from the video track so i can edit the audio clip seperately. When I put the audio track into trimmer the video come with it and when I move it frame by frame to get a close edit, the audio is not on. Is there some one here that can help with answering my questions or even provide me with tutorial sites that can enable me the full use of this program. I'm switching because I've heard that they are coming out with the add on that supports editing in 24p. Thanx for any help.

Don Bloom
April 7th, 2003, 04:10 PM
I just switched to V4 myself and without doubt, I have improved my work. Both workflow and qaulity of work. Not to mention speed of work.

I can tell you to seperate the audio from the video highlight both and press U that unlocks the 2 tracks and you can have your way with either or. It's a very stabile solid program that will let you do just about anything you want.
Try those forums, good luck to you and enjoy Vegas! The software or city :-)
Don

Harry Settle
April 7th, 2003, 04:48 PM
yahoo groups, wedding event videography. Join. Ask questions, seems to be a good source also.

To unlock audio from video, another way, right click on your audio track, select switches, click on lock. VIOLA! It's unlocked.

Don Bloom
April 7th, 2003, 06:50 PM
Hey Harry,
We've got to stop meeting like this ;}

Harry Settle
April 7th, 2003, 07:16 PM
Don, I heartily disagree. I can't think of better places to get together than some of these forums. It keeps me out of the bars.

Harry Settle
April 7th, 2003, 07:19 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot. . . you can get to the switches up in the main menu across the top also, it's just more trouble. I've never been up on using all of the keyboard shortcuts like some of you guys.

Don Bloom
April 7th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Yeah, but my wife keeps asking when I'm going to take her out to the "FORUM", and meet up with Harry and the other folks. She thinks the forum is a resturant! HeHe!
She's so gullible! (Actually, she's not; that's why she's put up with me for 34 1/2 years. Feels like forever :]- I'm only 35 )
The last time I was in a bar was about...Hmmm, other than to do a job (I do alot of work for an entertainment company, they own a lot of bars and such) well it was a long time ago!
Man, I lead a boring life ;)

Dylan Couper
April 7th, 2003, 11:30 PM
For F-'s sakes....
It happened again!

I had Vegas un and re-installed in minutes, so no biggie, but I'm wondering why it's happening.

Josh Bass
April 9th, 2003, 11:33 AM
Has anyone tried the bump map function in Vegas to correct a mistake while lighting? What I mean is ,say your scene is too dark in one area, have you tried using the spotlight function on the bump map with the bumps turned off to brighten just that area?

Aaron Koolen
April 10th, 2003, 06:22 PM
Hi all, was wanting to convert some footage taken from TV (standard VHs, crappy res) into a DVD. When I rendered the thing out using the MainConcept codec though, the artifacts that appear were astonishing and unacceptably bad to watch on a TV, especially in high speed footage. I then rendered the thing out as 352x288 and the quality was far superior. Does anyone know if there is a way to get the MPG2 renderer that comes with Vegas to do a better job with TV footage? Someone mentioned to me that deinterlacing first might help but can't see an option in the Main Concept codec rendering options. Would it be best to render to AVI and then go through TMPEGENC?

Cheers
Aaron

Harry Settle
April 10th, 2003, 07:27 PM
If you are starting with crappy, crappy is pretty much all you'll get.

Aaron Koolen
April 10th, 2003, 11:24 PM
By crappy I meant typical VHS resolution from a video player. That I can live with on my TV but I don't expect to get crappier ;) The artifacts were astonishingly noticable. and looked like a madly encoded VCD.

Cheers
Aaron

Harry Settle
April 11th, 2003, 10:54 AM
I've done a lot of analog work over the past 6 or 7 years, with limited success. (mostly because I was unwilling to put out the dollars necessary to get the job done, properly)

I started out using one of the Dazzle products to capture to the computer, worked fairly well, but, output had lots of problems. I finaly switched to using the Canopus ADVC-100 for input, analog to digital, and output, digital back out to analog, with outstanding success. Simple matter of plugging it in to the computer with a firewire, and plugging the vhs or camera in to the ADVC. Edit, or whatever, and output back to vhs, if I choose. I get at least the same quality going out, as I got coming in. NO ARTIFACTS.

Also, you need to look carefully at your system. . . fast computer, more ram, fast hard drives and if possible keep your video on the drive separate from you operating system. Defrag etc. . .

One more thing about Canopus products. Go to their forum, you will notice that their users are having fewer problems than users of other systems.

Peter Koller
April 11th, 2003, 11:27 AM
Just downloaded the demo of Vegas 4 to try it out but.. beginners trouble...

I cannot capture from my camera, Vegas just says "please connect a device".

I am using my old Pinnacle DV300 (same as the DV200) could it be that firewire on a video card is not the same as a cheapo firewire?

Maybe someone had the same problem and can help me, I have 16 tapes that should get on my harddisk better sooner than later.

Cheers, Peter

Win2000, 512mb RAM, plenty of HD and all works fine with Premiere.. BUT I WANT TO TRY VEGAS!!!

Garret Ambrosio
April 11th, 2003, 11:54 AM
The best way to troubleshoot this would be to disconnect the firewire cable, reconnect and turn the camera on and VTR mode and see if My Computer sees the DV Complaint Device or DV camera. Then try capturing in Vegas. If it does not work check your Firewire drivers and very that they are NEC or TI complaint drivers. If the camera is not found in my computer or Movie Maker 2, then you have a problem with either the firewire card or the camera. I've read in some forums before that because of the physical pin-out of firewire, it is easy to short out the firewire port in either the device or the card or both. This is usually caused by a slight wiggle or movement causing the wrong pins to touch in the firewire ports. If this is the scenario, then you need to know which went bad or maybe both. I don't know what you have in respect to hardware but this is how I determined that my TRV11's firewire port was burnt out. I took the camera to another firewire PC and a firewire Mac and plugged it in to see if I can get the system to recognize it. No go. I then took another Firewire device (Maxtor 80GB firewire HDD) and check to see if it is working, sure enough it came up right away. Then I knew that the firewire circuitry in the camera was fried.

Peter Koller
April 11th, 2003, 12:15 PM
Well, the capture works fine with Premiere.

I checked the Vegas website and they say to use an NEC, TI or some other default 1394-driver, unfortunately my DV300 does not like these generic 1394-drivers and wonīt respond to them...

Hmmm, kinda stuck here... should I get a simple 1394 card for $30?

Edward Troxel
April 11th, 2003, 02:25 PM
Get the simple OHCI card. The DV300 may not be fully compatible. Also, you MICROSOFT's driver - not TI, not NEC, not anyone else.

Garret Ambrosio
April 11th, 2003, 04:03 PM
I say get the $30 card or less I think I've seen them go for 19.99 at Fry's when using Vegas.

Rob Easler
April 11th, 2003, 04:49 PM
Another voice in the choir. Cards like the Pinnacle 300 you have came out before Premiere was OHCI compliant. It was designed to work with premiere and premiere alone. The 300 is not OHCI complient The Pinnacle DV 500 now has drivers that are OHCI compliant. You need and OHCI compliant card for Vegas.

Dan Measel
April 11th, 2003, 08:19 PM
I have VV4 and have created several MPEG2 files for DVD authoring. I want to get Sonic ReelDVD but while reading a review I discovered I have to be able to export the video and audio seperately from Vegas (it said as an m2v and wav file). I've never heard of an m2v file. Does anyone know if Vegas can do this? I checked and it wasn't an option under rendering.

Don Donatello
April 11th, 2003, 11:50 PM
tried it BUT didn't use it ...

now depending on the area you might be able to use a cookie cutter on the area ? find a SHAPE in the cookie selection that fits the area you want to lighten then adjust SIZE so you only see the area you want lighter ..you might add some feathering ...then add CC fx and use gain to lighten area.. or for better control but higher learning curve use the Color Curves FX and only adjust the blacks ( put curser over the lower diamond shape which is up from bottom left corner ... curser will trun into double arrows .right click and drag diamond towards left bottom corner then left and up to your liking ... so now Video track one will have picture area that you want to correct and all other area will be blacked out

now from Vegas explorer add the same clip to Video track 2 ( if you copy video track one to video track 2 you must remove cookie and other fx after you add to track2 ) .. the 2 tracks positions must be exact so make sure the time codes are the same ( zoom into curser - under options /video select show time code or play and adjust till the 2 clips are in sync ..when you found sync then delete the the 2nd audio track) ... now the image from Video track 2 will only show thru the black area of Video 1 ...

Peter Koller
April 12th, 2003, 02:08 AM
Iīm gonna bite the apple and buy a card and throw out the dv300.

Thank you guys for all the advice!

Cheers, Peter

Edward Troxel
April 12th, 2003, 06:36 AM
When you go to the DVD rendering settings, UNCHECK the "Include Audio" box. Vegas is definitely able to create an elementary stream MPEG video file.

Dan Measel
April 12th, 2003, 07:51 AM
As always a great help. Thanks a lot.

Don Donatello
April 12th, 2003, 12:18 PM
look for a OHCI card using the texas instrument (Ti) chip set..
the ads pyro is a excellent card ... i believe the pyro basic is under $50 (street $35-49)

Peter Koller
April 12th, 2003, 12:54 PM
The card is installed now (donīt know which brand, because it is a used one from a friend but it runs with the TI driver)... capturing works fine now, but what still bugs me is that when I close Vegas my system gets stuck. If I try to open an application it loads for a few moments but never opens... strangely in the task manager (only in processes) I can see the applications running.. I also cannot shut down the pc. Only resetting works.

I read that Vegas has some issues with PAL captures, this might be the reason... or do/did you NTSC guys have the same problems?

Cheers, Peter

PS: Itīs Win2000pro patched up to date and directx9

Edward Troxel
April 13th, 2003, 09:02 PM
Peter, you want the TI chipset with the MICROSOFT driver.

Peter Koller
April 14th, 2003, 06:25 AM
Aaaah, now I got you Edward! TI Hardware and MS software...

Fredrik Forsell
April 15th, 2003, 12:49 PM
Is there any way to "take away" part of the picture that I have shot, using a "blue screen", and then take away the blue colour and have the remaining footage imposed on other footage, e.g like they perhaps do in "big budget movies"?
Or is it possible if I would like to take away, for example, a clear blue sky and replace it with a night sky from another clip?
I know it is possible if you work with pictures and different layers, but is it possible with footage in an easy, "low-budget" way?