Disney to go with Blu-Ray

Kaku Ito · December 11th, 2007, 09:36 PM

I was testing around HD contents and Blu-ray drive installed in my Mac Pro 8 Core with Toast 8 and Adobe Encore CS3 for awhile.
I had reported about making backups with Toast but saving 50GB would takes over 12 hours and dissapointed, also, I was able to burn Blu-ray with the Encore CS3, but it crashed oftenly (under Tiger) and also there was mulfunctioning issue with the timeline and the clips won't be able to playback nor browse. However, not it's time to take advantage of this internal Blu-ray drive for sure.

Last night, I noticed that Adobe had released new Leopard compatible versions of Premiere Pro CS3, Aftter Effects CS3 and Encore CS3.
It is not like Apple's online update that takes minuites to update (I guess Apple has better server scheme), so it took long to download, but it was worth the wait. I installed all of the updates and tried Encore CS3 and gave a try.
Now mostly seems to work well. Great!

So, I thrown in clips from HPX555, HVX200, Canon G1 and PMW-EX1, made some settings for browsing, and burnt the disc with no problems.
I put the disc in the Playstation 3 (Sony wants to make it as full-functioned Blu-ray player, I think, a lot of improvements in features comparing to PS2 being able to playback DVD), then everything playbacks okay!

I encoed with best quality H.264 and I'm satisfied with the quality so far.
Both 60i and 24p played back well. When you playback each different formats, PS3 makes the switch in the resolution.

I will give the report and also upload the flash content made from the same authoring of Blu-ray! That's amazing!

Josh Chesarek · December 12th, 2007, 05:59 AM

Glad to hear it is working. The export to flash feature is a huge plus for me when I want to show clients a sample DVD but not have to take the time to mail one to them. If they have broadband or can get to it they are set. I am also really happy to see adobing releasing updates fairly quickly for their product line and hope it continues into the future.

Kaku Ito · December 12th, 2007, 12:24 PM

Here's the sample of the flash content. The clips are at their highest quality setting for the flash movie (which is set in the Encore CS3), but the dotMac speed doesn't seem to be feasible to play back smoothly, so I probably have to lower the quality.

http://homepage.mac.com/musetex/index.html

Paulo Teixeira · December 14th, 2007, 05:07 PM

http://fastmac.com:16080/press/pr_50.php

Dave Christensen · December 14th, 2007, 05:58 PM

Pretty awesome! Does anyone have any experience with these or some of the other HD-DVD/BR options out there for OSX? I'm curious to see what peoples' workflows look like from FCS.

Paulo Teixeira · December 14th, 2007, 06:02 PM

It’s for Adobe Premiere.
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=110019

Next month Apple is rumored to update DVD Studio to support HD discs.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...s%2F2007-12-05

David Moody · December 28th, 2007, 03:55 PM

Best location for information on Blu ray authoring with CS3?

It seems that there is limited info on the Adobe forums.

The Blu-ray forum mostly deals with movies and players.

There don't seem to be a lot of posts about it on this forum.

I would like more info. on player compatability and settings with BDMV and BD-R.

There are lots of high def camcorders and PS3's out there. Someone has to be doing it.

Tyson Persall · December 31st, 2007, 04:27 PM

Is there a way to do a frame grab of a single shot from a Blu-Ray disk?
I tried Print screen but it seems to not work when A blu Ray disk is playing on my Sony VIAO laptop.

I asume there is a way to do this?

Nik Skjoth · January 5th, 2008, 04:51 PM

Did you try to use Fraps?

Michael Jouravlev · January 5th, 2008, 05:03 PM

Try turning DirectX off.

Andrew Wilson · January 19th, 2008, 10:41 AM

I've looked through old posts but some threads are too old to know what's current.

I'm shooting with a PMW-EX1 and editing on FCP 6.0.2 and use DVDStudioPro4.

What are my options for delivering either blu-ray dvd's and/or HD-DVD's.

and what's compatibility like for playback on set-top players? (including PS3)

What are the limitations? I've read that it's possible to create discs but can't do menus. I've read that you can author HD-DVDs but can't burn them and that you can burn Blu-ray's but there's no good way to author them.

I'm looking at doing mostly one-offs so I wouldn't be replicating them (unless I had to)

Tom Roper · January 19th, 2008, 12:45 PM

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David Moody · January 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM

I use Encore CS3 on a PC, but burned discs with Encore CS3 on a Mac should be the same.

With Encore you can burn in BDMV format with standard DVD like menus including motion menus and chapter stops.

Plays fine on PS3, Panasonic DMP-BD30K and Samsung BD-P1400. I have heard that with current software updates the Sony players also work, but I have not tested them. (The newest PS3 software may affect playback for PAL users)

Encore does not offer subtitle support currently for Blu ray projects.

Encore does not support HD-DVD.

FCP currently has no support for Blu-ray authoring.

Aaron Courtney · February 3rd, 2008, 12:49 PM

Like a lot of people (most, I presume), I have neither a blu ray burner or player at this point so I spent about six hours yesterday trying to figure out how to render out of Vegas to a file that I could transfer back to the Canon HG10 for hi def playback via the HDMI (or component) jack.

I was able to figure it out and everything looked fine on my 50" Sammy plasma, but I'm not sure of some of the implications. So I'm looking for some feedback here.

Specifically, I shot a bunch of 24p clips, converted .mts files to .avi's via Cineform NEO HDV to remove pulldown. The only option that I could find to create .m2ts files from Vegas was to use the Sony AVC codec and choose the MPEG-2 transport stream format under the system tab in the custom template settings. Unfortunately this limits a couple of key settings that were relevant to my project.

First, it limited the audio sampling rate to 48k which meant that my CD audio track had to be resampled on the fly (would have had SoundForge do that if I had known prior) which could introduce all kinds of aliasing issues if it isn't handled well. Second, the audio bandwidth was limited to 256K, which I guess makes the SRC a moot point since the audio is pretty much guaranteed to sound like crap on a decent playback system - Sony, how about we get lossless audio options here. Third, and most importantly though, it limited the frame rate to 29.97 (or 25 PAL).

This is where I don't exactly know what's going on with the 24p material. So I figured I'd toss out this question for those who might know while I do some more experimenting on my end.

Aaron Courtney · February 4th, 2008, 01:54 PM

Just want to bump this thread....I assume Vegas is simply telecining during rendering to get the resulting .m2ts file to 29.976 NTSC. Is this correct and does anyone have any idea how well Vegas performs this task? Should be relatively straightforward 3:2 pulldown...

From what I recall, the edited footage looked the same as the raw .mts clips during playback from the cam.

December 11th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#91
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Blu-ray, DVD, Flash contents production united in Adobe Encore CS3, just updated! I was testing around HD contents and Blu-ray drive installed in my Mac Pro 8 Core with Toast 8 and Adobe Encore CS3 for awhile. I had reported about making backups with Toast but saving 50GB would takes over 12 hours and dissapointed, also, I was able to burn Blu-ray with the Encore CS3, but it crashed oftenly (under Tiger) and also there was mulfunctioning issue with the timeline and the clips won't be able to playback nor browse. However, not it's time to take advantage of this internal Blu-ray drive for sure. Last night, I noticed that Adobe had released new Leopard compatible versions of Premiere Pro CS3, Aftter Effects CS3 and Encore CS3. It is not like Apple's online update that takes minuites to update (I guess Apple has better server scheme), so it took long to download, but it was worth the wait. I installed all of the updates and tried Encore CS3 and gave a try. Now mostly seems to work well. Great! So, I thrown in clips from HPX555, HVX200, Canon G1 and PMW-EX1, made some settings for browsing, and burnt the disc with no problems. I put the disc in the Playstation 3 (Sony wants to make it as full-functioned Blu-ray player, I think, a lot of improvements in features comparing to PS2 being able to playback DVD), then everything playbacks okay! I encoed with best quality H.264 and I'm satisfied with the quality so far. Both 60i and 24p played back well. When you playback each different formats, PS3 makes the switch in the resolution. I will give the report and also upload the flash content made from the same authoring of Blu-ray! That's amazing!

December 14th, 2007, 05:07 PM	#94
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	FastMac 4x Dual Layer Blu-Ray Burner http://fastmac.com:16080/press/pr_50.php __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

December 14th, 2007, 06:02 PM	#96
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	It’s for Adobe Premiere. http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=110019 Next month Apple is rumored to update DVD Studio to support HD discs. http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...s%2F2007-12-05 __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

December 28th, 2007, 03:55 PM	#97
David Moody Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	Best location for information on Blu ray authoring with CS3? Best location for information on Blu ray authoring with CS3? It seems that there is limited info on the Adobe forums. The Blu-ray forum mostly deals with movies and players. There don't seem to be a lot of posts about it on this forum. I would like more info. on player compatability and settings with BDMV and BD-R. There are lots of high def camcorders and PS3's out there. Someone has to be doing it.

December 31st, 2007, 04:27 PM	#98
Tyson Persall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North Hollywood, Atlanta Posts: 437	Is there a way to Frame Grab a still from Blu-Ray disk? Is there a way to do a frame grab of a single shot from a Blu-Ray disk? I tried Print screen but it seems to not work when A blu Ray disk is playing on my Sony VIAO laptop. I asume there is a way to do this? __________________ Tyson X

December 12th, 2007, 05:59 AM	#92
Josh Chesarek Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 978	Glad to hear it is working. The export to flash feature is a huge plus for me when I want to show clients a sample DVD but not have to take the time to mail one to them. If they have broadband or can get to it they are set. I am also really happy to see adobing releasing updates fairly quickly for their product line and hope it continues into the future.

December 12th, 2007, 12:24 PM	#93
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Here's the sample of the flash content. The clips are at their highest quality setting for the flash movie (which is set in the Encore CS3), but the dotMac speed doesn't seem to be feasible to play back smoothly, so I probably have to lower the quality. http://homepage.mac.com/musetex/index.html

December 14th, 2007, 05:58 PM	#95
Dave Christensen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tempe, AZ, USA Posts: 32	Pretty awesome! Does anyone have any experience with these or some of the other HD-DVD/BR options out there for OSX? I'm curious to see what peoples' workflows look like from FCS.

January 5th, 2008, 04:51 PM	#99
Nik Skjoth Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cph Denmark Posts: 136	Did you try to use Fraps?

January 5th, 2008, 05:03 PM	#100
Michael Jouravlev Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 209	Try turning DirectX off.

January 19th, 2008, 10:41 AM	#101
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	Current state of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray on a mac I've looked through old posts but some threads are too old to know what's current. I'm shooting with a PMW-EX1 and editing on FCP 6.0.2 and use DVDStudioPro4. What are my options for delivering either blu-ray dvd's and/or HD-DVD's. and what's compatibility like for playback on set-top players? (including PS3) What are the limitations? I've read that it's possible to create discs but can't do menus. I've read that you can author HD-DVDs but can't burn them and that you can burn Blu-ray's but there's no good way to author them. I'm looking at doing mostly one-offs so I wouldn't be replicating them (unless I had to)

January 19th, 2008, 12:45 PM	#102
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	Search ...............................

January 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM	#103
David Moody Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	I use Encore CS3 on a PC, but burned discs with Encore CS3 on a Mac should be the same. With Encore you can burn in BDMV format with standard DVD like menus including motion menus and chapter stops. Plays fine on PS3, Panasonic DMP-BD30K and Samsung BD-P1400. I have heard that with current software updates the Sony players also work, but I have not tested them. (The newest PS3 software may affect playback for PAL users) Encore does not offer subtitle support currently for Blu ray projects. Encore does not support HD-DVD. FCP currently has no support for Blu-ray authoring.

February 3rd, 2008, 12:49 PM	#104
Aaron Courtney Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 229	Render to Blu Ray back to HG10 for Playback Like a lot of people (most, I presume), I have neither a blu ray burner or player at this point so I spent about six hours yesterday trying to figure out how to render out of Vegas to a file that I could transfer back to the Canon HG10 for hi def playback via the HDMI (or component) jack. I was able to figure it out and everything looked fine on my 50" Sammy plasma, but I'm not sure of some of the implications. So I'm looking for some feedback here. Specifically, I shot a bunch of 24p clips, converted .mts files to .avi's via Cineform NEO HDV to remove pulldown. The only option that I could find to create .m2ts files from Vegas was to use the Sony AVC codec and choose the MPEG-2 transport stream format under the system tab in the custom template settings. Unfortunately this limits a couple of key settings that were relevant to my project. First, it limited the audio sampling rate to 48k which meant that my CD audio track had to be resampled on the fly (would have had SoundForge do that if I had known prior) which could introduce all kinds of aliasing issues if it isn't handled well. Second, the audio bandwidth was limited to 256K, which I guess makes the SRC a moot point since the audio is pretty much guaranteed to sound like crap on a decent playback system - Sony, how about we get lossless audio options here. Third, and most importantly though, it limited the frame rate to 29.97 (or 25 PAL). This is where I don't exactly know what's going on with the 24p material. So I figured I'd toss out this question for those who might know while I do some more experimenting on my end.

February 4th, 2008, 01:54 PM	#105
Aaron Courtney Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 229	Just want to bump this thread....I assume Vegas is simply telecining during rendering to get the resulting .m2ts file to 29.976 NTSC. Is this correct and does anyone have any idea how well Vegas performs this task? Should be relatively straightforward 3:2 pulldown... From what I recall, the edited footage looked the same as the raw .mts clips during playback from the cam.