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If it is something "historical" and "global" in the broadest sense of those words, it would have to be something very wonderful, and cheap that the multitudes could afford and would not want to live without, or else something very wonderful, and probably very expensive, that few could afford but everyone could benefit from what it produces. Nothing in the $1000-$20000 range (or a broader range really) is likely to be what they will present.

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Chris, it could be more clearly defined as "it's a business expense if you're CLAIMING it as a business expense on your taxes". In which case you should have the intent to make money at some point. In Canada this means you should have a 'reasonable expectation of profit...'

Either Filmaker or MovieMaker magazine just had an article on this, warning those that were clearly hobbyists to be careful.

@ D Rice... Let me know what lenses you're going to float. I'm always looking to add good glass... but I'll need a receipt for my taxes.

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I'm posting from the future here in Oz - today is Nov 3rd. The cameras have arrived they're shiny,silver and take better pics. They look similar to the old ones, and prices are about the same. They will really give Sony and Panasonic a run for their money - believe me. There is a huge queue of people trying to buy one of the few presently available - it's mayhem here.
Yours from the future, Chris

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I'll give the Canon glass away, but the shipping and handling charges will be steep! Anyway, I have photographer friends who will pay almost retail for them here in Sitka. We are charge about $60 "uninsured" shipping charges to Alaska for a Canon 100-400 zoom lens!

If Canon doesn't come up with a decent Camera in the next few days, I might just as well give up on video, and go stills. I have been patiently waiting for over three years now.

Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...
 

Teaser from Canon via email:

"We are pleased to have you attend this historic Canon event on
November 3, 2011. The exclusive unveiling and exhibit at Paramount
Studios will showcase Canon's commitment to play a larger role in
the film and television production community."

For what it's worth,

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Great .. hope they haven't forgotten us with a cut down version we can afford.

How's the weather in Cal, Chris.

Cheers.

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I'm not even there yet... flying out tomorrow around noon (yes, cutting it close).

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Chris: Mr. Couper and I have a bet going on the announcement and I think your post just made him nervous...

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SDI out... Nice. Might be jumping to conclusions but I hope haha

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Nice catch. :)

There will almost certainly be provisions for redundant recording as this is generally required to obtain big-budget insurance. The dual recordings can be achieve in the camera, externally, or with a combination of the two.

Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...
 

I had a bet going with Vincent Laforet (about something completely unrelated...
but still involving Canon, heh) and last week in New York we figured out that we
both won. So you never know...

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Can we just get an updated anything in a shoulder mount with slo mo ?
How come video never gets slo mo. I had it in super 8 Cameras in the 70's.
Wot's so difficult ?
Thanx Mr Canon

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Im sure your need for 1080/60p will undoubtedly be solved in the next 24 hours. Or scarlet with 3k/120p...

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My wager

a) 4:4:4 Color Space and
b) live full 1080p uncompressed out.

c) Perhaps 4k

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On large productions they make back up copies that are checked for errors before the camera media itself is deleted for reuse, it's not usually done on the camera itself but by the data wrangler. Some cameras do allow the recording of a lower quality copy for the editing, this was one of the reasons given by Sony for the F3 having a non broadcast quality on board recorder and the up coming digital Aaton records editing proxies on board, but the master itself is uncompressed RAW.

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This is consumerism at it's best! We 'need' to have an expensive
camera even though we aren't making money with it. More power
to all of you guys that can do this, good for you! There is
no way on the earth that I am spending several thousand dollars
on a hobby. I don't 'need' anything other than food and a place
to live.....but I'm the exception. I also refuse to have
credit cards and 'deficit' spend. This is all in the nicest
possible spirit, and I'm glad that you guys can live your
dreams making movies. Just to me, necessity is things like food,
water and shelter. All this other stuff is just marketing and
'convincing' us that we need all kinds of things, when they are
really, as Chris says....more of a luxury/want. But you are
all doing something right if you can afford to buy cameras in this
crappy economy, so good for you!

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Yes I think you are right, since the dslr revolution, I think that non pro people have no excuse to search for more. The culmination of this is the hacked gh2. This camera is so good, If you can't do a good to very good movie, short or just filming your kids or cat with it, you won't be able to do it with any $ 5000 and above camera. It is your skill set the limiting factor and no matter what camera you want to use it won't make your films better. stop surfing gear site and just go on more creative and artistic ones to develop your skill.

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Even for professional cameras you need to be aware of the market you're servicing. There's little point in paying a large amount for a higher spec camera if your clients can't or won't pay the difference and are happy to live with the lower quality cameras. Although, there will be people who will provide the cameras at uneconomic rates.

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bah, i got up at 6am snd nothing...

ok, i was up anyway

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Nothing make me nervous except you with a loaded MP5 at a Vegas gun range

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C'mon now... It wasn't loaded when I pointed it at you guys with my finger indexed on the trigger... Although I knew I screwed up when the range officer unclipped his holster...

See you at NAB again next year!

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Speaking of FS100, the true beauty of all this that's about to go down is the ripple effects it'll have on cameras like the FS100 and the 5D Mark II. For those of us, like myself, who likely won't be able to afford the likes of the newly released cams at this time, we can take advantage of the inevitable flooding of used cam sells as people unload to put towards the new stuff. I can only imagine a 5D Mark II selling for as little as $1,500 or an FS100 selling in the $3,500 range. Yes, they'll be dated or inferior in many aspects to the new stuff, but we still know what they can do. They still produce beautiful, comparable imagery...and now at a fraction of the price.

We all win in the end. I'll se ya'll tonight....

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Most of that seems right - I'd be very surprised if it was a 2K or higher cam. Most people will be happy as clams with "true" 1080 resolution, 10 bit 4:2:2 color space, XLRs, a ND wheel, and a clean SDI/HDMI out.

If the price is $15K, I think Canon would be making a mistake - you want to sell glass? Make a cheaper camera then your competition. Either it's going to be priced more along the lines of an AF100, or more expensive then the F3 (a truly "pro" camera).

I suppose it could be both as has been rumored, but the $10-15 K pricing model seems a bit out of wack if true. Of course, that price is a lot more justifiable if the camera's 2K or higher resolution-wise...

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Don't know it it's 10 bit out of HD-SDI or not, but that sounds a lot like th XF305!

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Positively NO camera rumor site links are allowed on DVi, thanks for understanding.

Please be patient and wait for the official (and correct) news to be posted here on DVi in just a few short hours. This thread will then be closed... and a new forum opened. :-)

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"Don't know it it's 10 bit out of HD-SDI or not, but that sounds a lot like th XF305!"

Exactly. Heck, even the XF 105 has 50mbp, 4:2:2 SDI genlock/time code - and that goes for $4,000 (and has a lens to boot).

Strap a 16mp S35 sensor in that camera for $4K and you're rocking like Don Dokken.

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Only a few more hours to post our nutty predictions, projections, speculations, fears, and dreams in this thread. The new thread will be mostly about ...reality.

Of course, there's always that gap between announcement/demo/specs and getting the new cam into users' hands, so there will still likely be some groping - and likely some complaining - in the new thread.

Let me get one complaint out of the way... It costs too much - and I don't even know the price yet. ;)

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All I want is for them not to name it anything xx100... I can barely remember who makes what.. AF100, FS100, HD100, DVX100, etc...

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It's also missing that one feature that is absolutely critical to my filmmaking process. I can't believe Canon would release it that way! If they don't start listening to what the market is demanding they'll be out of business soon...

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It's interesting to note how many of us are cruising here to await the announcement.

It's a new era for product launching for sure.

They tell us the date (but rarely the time) and leave it to the "market" to determine which portals we go to to keep informed.

No central "live streaming" place for breaking tech news as yet. (that's probably a market opportunity for someone, tho it would be a nightmare with bandwidth spikes that size!)

So we check in, again and again and again in multiple places to satisfy our curiosity.

It's also interesting that NONE of the places I check are directly associated with the one company that could manage everything - CANON. I went on their web site this morning, and left in seconds realizing that there is NOTHING agile or breaking news oriented about it. Even mighty Apple, has to essentially put their web site "on hold" during breaking announcements, and re-deploy it when the official "go" command is given. It is a brave new "news" world out there with so much fragmentation that we don't have a clue who to trust to both "get it first" AND "get it right." (The thing in my mind that makes what SHOULD be the "breaking news focus" channel - Twitter - nearly useless - way too much noise, not nearly enough signal.)

Interesting.

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Engadget is supposed to be going live from the event.

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3:36:32 left....

This is kind of exciting. I'm also a bit surprised at all the details that are being leaked. I know they could all be way wrong but it sure has been fun to surf around and read em'.

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Well, if they're not true, then they're not details - just rumors. I'm not sure anything has truly been leaked from Canon. There has been a lot of speculation, that's for sure.

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"The line waiting to see Santa Claus stretched all the way back to Terre Haute. And I was at the end of it." - Ralphie

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It's bloody Friday am. here & no news, I'm chafing at the bit. Crikey, let it out.
Please be good to us Canon, yer bastards

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How are they announcing it?

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Chris is going to put up a post fairly soon I believe. Stay here, you'll find out first.

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It's Friday 4th Nov. here in NZ as well. This is like the Y2K Bug and the end of the world announcements. Nothing happening. The suspense is killing me!

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Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

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Yaawwn .. just got outa bed here, Friday 4th too 0752hr.

Got ya cheque books out / practise writing a couple to me.

Cheers.