FS4 / FS4 Pro HD various topics

Terry Esslinger · July 2nd, 2007, 10:37 AM

85 views and no one with an answer? This is a focus enhancement forum, right?

Chris Hurd · July 2nd, 2007, 01:09 PM

You're going to find disparities in model numbers and in pricing with the FireStore FS-4 line as there are a number of different FS-4 models; some are HD and some are SD, there are different storage capacities and so on. The Focus Enhancements parts numbers beginning "ASYF" have changed over time as well. Prices are all over the map when you consider how many grey-market dealers are out there. So the different part numbers and prices are not at all uncommon.

Here's what you need to do if you're looking for an FS-4 to use with your Sony PD150.

First, disregard these part numbers and prices.

Second, contact one of our trusted DV Info Net Sponsors such as Abel Cine, Zotz, B&H, ZGC, TapeWorks, Videoguys. Any of them will assist you with finding the right FS-4 for your particular needs. Their prices are competitive and they are all completely trustworthy. They are the only FireStore dealers we recommend here at DV Info Net. Hope this helps,

Damon Winters · July 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM

Manufacturer. Manufacturer Part Number Universal Product Code (UPC) Weight. (lbs.)
FOCUS ENHANCEMENTS ASYF-1158-01LF 095357011588 3.3

FS-4 Portable DTE Recorders - 40GB - Black

EMJ Sku:4133813
FS-4HD 40GB ( BLACK) Featuring a comprehensive backlit display, an easy-to-use menu system, a hard drive, and a removable, rechargeable battery, the Focus FS-4 is the perfect DTE companion for DV and HDV handheld shoots. Designed for use in even the roughest conditions, the FS-4 includes a six- or ten-second (model-dependent) electronic shock cache to ensure that you never lose footage. Audio, video, timecode, and control information is passed through a single FireWire cable, allowing you to record to disk and tape simultaneously. FS-4 Portable DTE Recorders are compatible with a wide range of nonlinear editing systems.

Terry Esslinger · July 2nd, 2007, 09:38 PM

Damon and Chris,
Thanks for the replys!

Damon, I do not have one at this point. I am looking to obtain one. The description you gave sounds like the way they are all described, except for the color silver or black.

Chris, you are probably right. I am probably going to have to contact B&H with whom I have done a ton of business. I was hoping I could find a used one for less money - don't we all!.

Jamon Lewis · August 2nd, 2007, 10:52 AM

Is anybody using the FS-4ProHD (60 gig) and recording HDV720p @ 24fps not 30?

Bill Ravens · August 3rd, 2007, 02:12 PM

I'm recording 24p on an FS-4HD, not the pro version.

Nik Skjoth · August 11th, 2007, 10:41 PM

http://www.digitaljuice.com/djtv/seg...how=all_videos

In this segment its stated that a Firestore recorder apparently can capture uncompressed footage from your camera, where the DV tape compresses the signal 5:1 . Is that the case in any format you capture in on the FS-4 HD, whether you use Raw, AVI2 or HD?

Brian Nokell · August 12th, 2007, 01:33 AM

I looked at the Digital Juice video, interesting, and informative in general, but I believe you were mislead by that reference to capture showing a Firestore unit. They capture DV or HDV, which are both compressed formats. Uncompressed outputs are available on the Canon XL H1 and XH G1 cameras, but not recordable by any Firestore unit that I have seen so far, but maybe they can tell you what plans they have for that.

The data rates of SD DV and HDV 1080i are the same (25Mb/s) due to the fact that HDV uses MPEG-2 compression even though it's a larger higher res image, thereby allowing you to use the same tape format with the same running times. HD-SDI has a data rate of 1.485 gigabit/second along with 4:2:2 color sampling. Big difference there. There are recorders for uncompressed HD, but not in that price range.

Ryan Fiereck · August 22nd, 2007, 08:59 PM

My school is using a Firestore 4.

My school is using a Firestore 4.

The individual who used this system last is no longer with the program and is not around to help me with using this program.

I was wondering if anyone could help me.

I am looking for what file type to record as. I have tried a few and the conversion is going to take ours to get it onto the server where we post the pictures.

We do not need the audio. I have tried AVI type one. Tonight we tried AVI type two. We can not use quicktime. I was just looking for some help and any help would be nice. I am looking for a little smaller consuming of space as that will help the transcode process. I think that it needs to be an .avi. I just don’t know the difference between the two. I know that the transcoder is switching it to .WMV file. Please let me know. I am a little lost with the options, I have tried reading up with all the different types of files that are available but couldn’t find anything that would help me out.

Please any of your experience can help,

Buddy Frazer · August 23rd, 2007, 07:21 AM

.avi is the most common Windows format for standard definition from a miniDV digital camcorder. I assume your camcorder uses tape and not DVD or hard drive. Is that correct? What make and model is it?

The .avi type really effects the editor. What editor are you using? AVI Type 2 is used by Premiere, Vegas and most others.

Each hour of .avi video is about 13GB. When you connect the FS-4 to the computer and set it to act like a hard drive, Windows should show is as just another hard drive on your system. You can then drag the files to the hard drive in you computer. That shouldn't take more than 10 minutes for an hour of video.

Buddy

Ryan Fiereck · August 23rd, 2007, 02:21 PM

We i dont not know the names of the camcoreders we are using.

I am currently trying to code it over with Type 2 avi.

It takes about 10 mins to code over then we need to use a special Game Manager program that will allow us to upload and share with other teams.

That is where the length comes into affect(or effect). I thought that Type 2 might be a smaller file. So i tried that today...seems to be about the same.

Last year one of the coaches said that they used to have the files come out in an audio and video. Two separte streams. They would delete the audio and just use the video for uploading.

I am going to try to stick with one of the two formats. We have a scrimmage this Sat. I just dont know which one to go with. At this point I will take the audio included.

I think the camera's we are using are mostly the mini DV based cameras.

About the video editor.. I think as long as it is an .avi it will read it. I just dont know which one is better to go with.

Thanks again for any more help you can provide.

Thanks,
Ryan Fiereck

Colin McFadden · August 23rd, 2007, 03:29 PM

Hey there - The firestore itself isn't ever going to manipulate the video, so the filesize is the same no matter what format you choose. Each of those options is just a different wrapper - the actual video data is the same, and the filesize will be the same (plus or minus a few bytes of wrapper I suppose). Type-2 is more standard for video editing software on Windows, and if your transcoding software is supporting it, I'd stick with that.

Ryan Fiereck · August 23rd, 2007, 10:30 PM

to have the audio and the video in two different files?

Colin McFadden · August 23rd, 2007, 10:37 PM

Not straight off the Firestore

Buddy Frazer · August 27th, 2007, 03:58 PM

Is anyone able to playback an HD Quicktime file generated by the FS-4 Pro HD on a Windows PC?

I have QuickTime Pro, but must be missing a codec or something. (M2T files do playback with a variety of editors and viewers on my PC.)

Buddy

July 2nd, 2007, 10:37 AM	#301
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	85 views and no one with an answer? This is a focus enhancement forum, right? __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

July 2nd, 2007, 01:09 PM	#302
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	You're going to find disparities in model numbers and in pricing with the FireStore FS-4 line as there are a number of different FS-4 models; some are HD and some are SD, there are different storage capacities and so on. The Focus Enhancements parts numbers beginning "ASYF" have changed over time as well. Prices are all over the map when you consider how many grey-market dealers are out there. So the different part numbers and prices are not at all uncommon. Here's what you need to do if you're looking for an FS-4 to use with your Sony PD150. First, disregard these part numbers and prices. Second, contact one of our trusted DV Info Net Sponsors such as Abel Cine, Zotz, B&H, ZGC, TapeWorks, Videoguys. Any of them will assist you with finding the right FS-4 for your particular needs. Their prices are competitive and they are all completely trustworthy. They are the only FireStore dealers we recommend here at DV Info Net. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 2nd, 2007, 02:58 PM	#303
Damon Winters Tourist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LA, CA Posts: 1	the ASYF-1158-01LF is this - so if you have th other, maybe youcan tell Manufacturer. Manufacturer Part Number Universal Product Code (UPC) Weight. (lbs.) FOCUS ENHANCEMENTS ASYF-1158-01LF 095357011588 3.3 FS-4 Portable DTE Recorders - 40GB - Black EMJ Sku:4133813 FS-4HD 40GB ( BLACK) Featuring a comprehensive backlit display, an easy-to-use menu system, a hard drive, and a removable, rechargeable battery, the Focus FS-4 is the perfect DTE companion for DV and HDV handheld shoots. Designed for use in even the roughest conditions, the FS-4 includes a six- or ten-second (model-dependent) electronic shock cache to ensure that you never lose footage. Audio, video, timecode, and control information is passed through a single FireWire cable, allowing you to record to disk and tape simultaneously. FS-4 Portable DTE Recorders are compatible with a wide range of nonlinear editing systems.

July 2nd, 2007, 09:38 PM	#304
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	Damon and Chris, Thanks for the replys! Damon, I do not have one at this point. I am looking to obtain one. The description you gave sounds like the way they are all described, except for the color silver or black. Chris, you are probably right. I am probably going to have to contact B&H with whom I have done a ton of business. I was hoping I could find a used one for less money - don't we all!. __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

August 2nd, 2007, 10:52 AM	#305
Jamon Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY NY USA Posts: 95	JVC HD110 & FS-4ProHD HDV24P? Is anybody using the FS-4ProHD (60 gig) and recording HDV720p @ 24fps not 30?

August 3rd, 2007, 02:12 PM	#306
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I'm recording 24p on an FS-4HD, not the pro version.

August 11th, 2007, 10:41 PM	#307
Nik Skjoth Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cph Denmark Posts: 136	FS-4 vs VD tape http://www.digitaljuice.com/djtv/seg...how=all_videos In this segment its stated that a Firestore recorder apparently can capture uncompressed footage from your camera, where the DV tape compresses the signal 5:1 . Is that the case in any format you capture in on the FS-4 HD, whether you use Raw, AVI2 or HD? Last edited by Nik Skjoth; August 11th, 2007 at 11:26 PM.

August 12th, 2007, 01:33 AM	#308
Brian Nokell New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 5	FS-4 vs VD tape I looked at the Digital Juice video, interesting, and informative in general, but I believe you were mislead by that reference to capture showing a Firestore unit. They capture DV or HDV, which are both compressed formats. Uncompressed outputs are available on the Canon XL H1 and XH G1 cameras, but not recordable by any Firestore unit that I have seen so far, but maybe they can tell you what plans they have for that. The data rates of SD DV and HDV 1080i are the same (25Mb/s) due to the fact that HDV uses MPEG-2 compression even though it's a larger higher res image, thereby allowing you to use the same tape format with the same running times. HD-SDI has a data rate of 1.485 gigabit/second along with 4:2:2 color sampling. Big difference there. There are recorders for uncompressed HD, but not in that price range.

August 22nd, 2007, 08:59 PM	#309
Ryan Fiereck Tourist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minneapolis, Mn Posts: 3	Coach needs a little help(FS-4 question) My school is using a Firestore 4. My school is using a Firestore 4. The individual who used this system last is no longer with the program and is not around to help me with using this program. I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am looking for what file type to record as. I have tried a few and the conversion is going to take ours to get it onto the server where we post the pictures. We do not need the audio. I have tried AVI type one. Tonight we tried AVI type two. We can not use quicktime. I was just looking for some help and any help would be nice. I am looking for a little smaller consuming of space as that will help the transcode process. I think that it needs to be an .avi. I just don’t know the difference between the two. I know that the transcoder is switching it to .WMV file. Please let me know. I am a little lost with the options, I have tried reading up with all the different types of files that are available but couldn’t find anything that would help me out. Please any of your experience can help,

August 23rd, 2007, 07:21 AM	#310
Buddy Frazer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Addison (Dallas) Texas Posts: 88	.avi is the most common Windows format for standard definition from a miniDV digital camcorder. I assume your camcorder uses tape and not DVD or hard drive. Is that correct? What make and model is it? The .avi type really effects the editor. What editor are you using? AVI Type 2 is used by Premiere, Vegas and most others. Each hour of .avi video is about 13GB. When you connect the FS-4 to the computer and set it to act like a hard drive, Windows should show is as just another hard drive on your system. You can then drag the files to the hard drive in you computer. That shouldn't take more than 10 minutes for an hour of video. Buddy

August 23rd, 2007, 02:21 PM	#311
Ryan Fiereck Tourist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minneapolis, Mn Posts: 3	We i dont not know the names of the camcoreders we are using. I am currently trying to code it over with Type 2 avi. It takes about 10 mins to code over then we need to use a special Game Manager program that will allow us to upload and share with other teams. That is where the length comes into affect(or effect). I thought that Type 2 might be a smaller file. So i tried that today...seems to be about the same. Last year one of the coaches said that they used to have the files come out in an audio and video. Two separte streams. They would delete the audio and just use the video for uploading. I am going to try to stick with one of the two formats. We have a scrimmage this Sat. I just dont know which one to go with. At this point I will take the audio included. I think the camera's we are using are mostly the mini DV based cameras. About the video editor.. I think as long as it is an .avi it will read it. I just dont know which one is better to go with. Thanks again for any more help you can provide. Thanks, Ryan Fiereck

August 23rd, 2007, 03:29 PM	#312
Colin McFadden Sponsor: divergent media Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 201	Hey there - The firestore itself isn't ever going to manipulate the video, so the filesize is the same no matter what format you choose. Each of those options is just a different wrapper - the actual video data is the same, and the filesize will be the same (plus or minus a few bytes of wrapper I suppose). Type-2 is more standard for video editing software on Windows, and if your transcoding software is supporting it, I'd stick with that. __________________ Divergent Media Support www.divergentmedia.com

August 23rd, 2007, 10:30 PM	#313
Ryan Fiereck Tourist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minneapolis, Mn Posts: 3	is there no way to have the audio and the video in two different files?

August 23rd, 2007, 10:37 PM	#314
Colin McFadden Sponsor: divergent media Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 201	Not straight off the Firestore __________________ Divergent Media Support www.divergentmedia.com

August 27th, 2007, 03:58 PM	#315
Buddy Frazer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Addison (Dallas) Texas Posts: 88	FS-4 Pro HD to Quicktime Is anyone able to playback an HD Quicktime file generated by the FS-4 Pro HD on a Windows PC? I have QuickTime Pro, but must be missing a codec or something. (M2T files do playback with a variety of editors and viewers on my PC.) Buddy