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New 4K60p video from the GH5:

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I see in the GH5 thread in the Panasonic section below, a few people are actually receiving their cameras. I look forward to seeing their footage and hearing their opinions.

In the meantime I saw that B&H is having a GH5 livestream event on March 29th at 1pm.

Have their live events been worth watching before?

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This IS Panasonic's last great Mirrorless camera. Get it while you still can, cause Panasonic is packing their bags and leaving the digital camera business.

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They are not packing, they are re-organizing.

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They are just doing what Sony did a couple of years ago. I expect the consumer market for cameras is just about dead so only enthusiast and pro needs will be catered for in future much like Sony. The mobile phone has displaced cameras for most people and has easy posting to social media which is what people want. Also higher end cameras may get pressure from the new cameras like the GH5 and A7XXX for more professional productions too especially with the addition of Atomos Inferno for high quality recording.

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I expect more from the ultra high end this year from Sony at NAB, but nothing for the prosumer, cause I guess they're riding on the momentum of the Alpha series and kind of putting less effort into NXCAM and XDCAM. Still holding true we will not see 4K 60p in the price range between the FS7MKII and the A7R.

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Looking forward any video gear manufacturer who doesn't have the resources to focus mainly on the professional market, preferably the very high end part of it, will either have to transform themselves or die off. On the consumer side of the business the problem is two-folded, i.e. the maufacturers have no way to compete with cellphone makers on economies of scale. When we talk about cameras the number could be anywhere from thousands to ten or a few multiple of ten thousands at best for any particular model. For cellphone makers, the number could reach a million or over ten millions. From the consumer perspectives, the advantages of using cellphones as photo or video cameras are obvious, lower cost, much better portability, more convenient and unmatched versatility. The downsides? Inferior image quality, poor handling and the lack of physical features such as optical zooming etc. Though these are almost always true to certain extent, they certainly have not been enough to keep the users of this new age device from finding ways to get around its weaknesses to achieve results they hope for. The same cannot be said about camera or camcorder users.

For every Panasonic GH5 that comes out there would probably be at least hundreds or thousands Samsung Galaxy S8/8+s sold. Or the value (and I'm sure the profitability as well) of the entire range of Sony's best selling Alpha mirrorless cameras combined compared to the sales of iPhone 7. No 4K/60p, no optical zooming, etc.? Soon there will be. People can always argue about the superiority of any aspect of real cameras over cellphones but the jury has already been out and the numbers never lie.

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Is it true the gh5 sexy beauties are full of moire and bad auto focus issues? I hope not as with all the hype i was looking to upgrade my canon c100 and 80ds..Someone tell me its all wrong...

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Yes lots of problems with the camera, main one being the camera has boring un bokeh camcorder look.

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Ah never mind will get one and test it against the 80d, as i may buy it just for my son to use at his soccer practice ! They need a camera just to keep the mothers happy for casual feedbak on a sunday after the match. I just hope the focus system keeps up with the players. should do as my g7 does sometimes but never gets it right, i always end up getting the 80d out.

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If you need to know more about autofocus then check Max Yuryevs videos on youtube and especially the last one he did together with photojoseph. Your comment about moire I have not heard anything about, even if there is any, it can't be nearly as bad as on a canon 6d/70d.

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If you want something to track sports with the Sony AX53 camcorder I think is a better choice. I have both the GH5 and the AX53 and the AX53 has a better stabilizer, smaller sensor so depth of field is wider and 20x zoom. Auto focus of both is not too different if you switch OFF the Custom settings on the GH5. Of course it costs half as much as the GH5 without lens too. AX53 shooting XAVC-S 50/60P gives a nice image.

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Good advice, but i think Steve was actually being facetious in his comments. :) He's not really looking at the GH5, just drawing attention to some scuttlebutt.

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You have to give him the benefit of the doubt, as much as he has shown how much he dislikes anything Panasonic the GH5 might change his opinion. But with good autofocus being his highest priority I have to agree with Ron where a handycam with a smaller sensor and deeper dof would be a much better choice to shoot his soccer games with.

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This is a long thread; have you forgotten the earlier discussions. Didn't you bring up Mums using the 80d to film football and not liking the results. I'm just assuming Steve is following on with the same... well let's call it banter. :)

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Have you forgotten that your being "sort of detrimental to him" started this discussion? :) I just joined in for the fun of it.

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Also, I ordered the GH5 and should be here next week so I can help answering any more questions Steve might have about the camera, even if he never plans on getting one.

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Hardly given what happened. I just quoted your previous football comment as I was reminded of it when Steve suggested the GH5 be also used to film football for their Mum's. Still, it could be a coincidence. Perhaps the World is full of people buying cameras to film football for their Mummy's pleasure. :)

So you finally caved in and ordered a GH5. I knew it wouldn't take long. :) Despite a few niggles, some blown way out of proportion, often to act as clickbait by vloggers; it's a camera with a lot to offer. I'll be interested in your thoughts on it when you have had a chance to work with it.

Incidentally I saw the video that supposedly highlights a moire problem. I'm trying to decide if it was a deliberate spoof of a bad vlog video. If it was meant to be serious, it's hard to take any of its conclusions seriously. Comments were disabled on the video too, hardly a good sign. Filming in 4K, I've not seen any moire in excess of say the G80 or GX80. The lack of low pass filter does make it more likely than say the GH4, but again, nothing that I've noticed. I've certainly not felt I've seen more moire since using it and only in extreme cases.

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Wasn't planning to get the gh5 until end of this year and to use my g80 as main camera until then but after using it at the last wedding I"m only moderately enthusiastic about it, I don't know what it is but it has a softer image in HD and 4k then my gh4, on big screen it's not really noticeable but when I place them side by side it's more clear.

The biggest issue I have with it is that a few shots I made looked kind of soft, I could not see if the focus had shifted to the front or back of the subject, the footage was just a bit blurry which was something I didn't see in my viewfinder. I always prefocus by half pressing the shutterbutton which then locks the focus so no additional autofocussing is going on. Have not experienced this on my gx80 which still remains my favorite camera to use.

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I think you may have a serious self conscious issue Steve that needs sorting out with a psychologist. If you read it correctly it was a serious comment in regard to all reports on you tube, Now you seem to look at any comments i make as facetious so scuttlebutt out mate...

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To be honest, I wasn't too sold on the G80. I often preferred to stick with the GX80. I'm keeping with the camera as the colour matches well with my GX80 and GH5. I can't say the footage is softer though, but there is something about it that doesn't quite work with me.

I plan to get another GH5 towards the end of the year, and then I'll sell the G80.

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The G80 I mainly got because I had a very good deal on it, ordered it in the UK and got a free batterygrip and free 64gb sandisc card, if I counted the pricedifference as well on the body only between the UK and Belgium I made a 500 euro profit. Going to continue to use it though, mainly because of it's better audio and as b-cam for guest reactions etc.

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Steve and I will behave from now on, as a sign of our good will we have answered your question, I told you where to find good info about the autofocus and Steve has mentioned something about the so called moire issue. If you need to know more just ask!

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Perfect now thats a serious reply not a baby one cheers Noa

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Yeah the free battery grip I got makes it a good camera to have around, but also a good one to sell. What perhaps ticks it in the sell category is the 29 min clip limit. I have two GX80s and they serve me well alongside my 2 GH4Rs and if I have 2 GH5s, the G80 becomes superfluous.

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Maybe I did jump to hasty conclusions. I'm biased perhaps after our last exchange. Still the GH5 is hardly news anymore and this is an old thread. Steve would do better to start a new one in the GH forum or the Events one if seeking genuine advice from others.

As to my own behaviour, I've added Steve to my ignore list now, so this will prevent further unpleasant run ins. For the best I think.

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Thats better Steve sarcasm just does not suit fellow professionals especially when you refer me to another forum member (Ron) who was helping with advice. Just hope Ron does not take notice of Chinese whispers that make a person look bad or sides one against the other... Cheers

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Just that you know, being added to a ignore list means he cannot read your reactions anymore while logged in so responding to him is kinda pointless.

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Human nature will seek to see what i say lastly...End of story i am a big boy its now gone

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Been checking out the moire problem you mention and it was below video you where referring to?

I think there are 2 things going on here; he is shooting regular frame rates and then high frame rates, maybe up to 180fps in camera as he mentions it almost at the end of the video, every time he is shooting a normal frame rate I don't see any moire but everytime he mentions "vfr" in his image my guess is he is shooting at 180fps which is known for it's lesser resolution which most likely is causing more artifacts like moire and aliasing.

There is probably a reason why he disabled comments because by now many would have asked for more specifications about his vfr footage and they probably would have start calling him an idiot because he has no clue what he is talking about.

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About autofocusing, have you seen the video I referred to? Below one shows the best info so far

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I just naturally batch ignore all Steve's on the internet... :D

Anyway, back to the GH5 or the penalty box. Seriously...

I got ours last week and have to say...


This sucker is really well built! If it wasn't in a DLSR form factor and had some proper audio inputs, it would be a serious contender in the pro video cam world as opposed to a weird niche that they have with the MFT sensor size.

And when I say it's really well built, I mean... it's the first Panasonic I've ever owned that's felt equally or better built that Canon, Nikon and Sony. I'm impressed! It feels quite a bit more chunky than the GH4 as well, which is a bonus. The GH4 was decent but this thing is a small tank!

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Yeah that's the one doing the rounds. Click bait for a vlogger. I could post a similar video about any camera; doesn't make me right, just cos it's online. Take any camera and balloon small issues out of proportion is alas one of the many things the internet excels at.

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Got mine this afternoon, also positively surprised by the build quality, the joystick is a very nice addition.
Eventhough I just took a few testshots I find that 1080p is looking very good, almost looks as detailed as 4k.

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There was some discussion on DpReview how the GH5 being larger than the GH4 negated the small size advantage of the Micro 4/3's systems. Now most of those comments were by those who probably had no intention on owning the GH5. However I think the larger size works in its favour. It does feel a more professional camera in your hands. Nicely balanced and fits comfortably in my hands.

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Correct and that is good and i hope it sorts itself out but then i look at this video
in particular the flower situation at 11 minutes on wards. Auto focus really is not a major problem to be fair as i am mainly manual but it sure does help in the wedding day as for general running and gunning throughout the day for 12 hours and as we all know how stressful the day is without having extra issues.
There are some fantastic attributes to this camera and i hope the little problems sort themselves out and i for one may look at it again.
This was a good test also and a fair one, Moire problems seem to be just the one guy so i think thats not major at the moment, hey but all cameras have faults thats why the manufacturers keep bringing them out for us to keep updating unfortunately...I am sure all will be well soon with the few teething problems, everyone will use the good attributes of this camera to their best ability because thats what its all about, the story the framing the lighting the end product.

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The moire problem is because of the very high frame rate, I don't know the technical reasons behind it but every camera that I have seen with a HFR capability looses on image quality once the frames/sec goes up and that also goes together with other artifacts. Just look at the Sony rx10II high framerates and see how bad the image starts to deteriorate when moving up to 960fps

I don't even see a reason to complain about this feature actually because it's just another great feature added that you can take advantage from, from what I have seen up to 120fps looks very good and if you shoot at higher frame rates just watch out for very fine detail like bricks and walls in the background.

Not exactly, that's why I pointed you to the best one yet that was made later because other users where getting better results, at the end of that second test both Max and Jospeh admitted that they met eachother halfway so meaning that Max got better results but still not on par with what Sony and Canon are offering. The panasonic is not a set it and forget it camera, personally I feel they have made it too complicated but when set up right you can get usable results, even Casey Neystat has been spotted shooting himself with the gh5 in a few of his episodes (and probably paid by Panasonic to do so) and those ones looked ok to me but latest I heard the a7rII and a6500 have become his main camera's while he was using canon 70d and 80d before.

One feature not many talk about and which I love is the 3 preset focus points you can make, so you can prefocus on 3 different objects and save those settings and then switch between those points by tapping a corresponding number on screen, in that way you can nail focus transitions time after time, you can even let the camera refocus on another object outside the frame while panning and have it in focus when you have it in frame and all of that with a super smooth transition at a speed you can select. I plan on using this during the weddings I shoot for some of the more creative parts.