Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

It also seems like the X70 lacks the 720p120fps of the AX100. If that's really the case, I'm hoping the reason is also due to some possible upgrade. This is not based on anything except wishful thinking and pure speculation, but I'd love to see 1080p120fps come with the 4K upgrade.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Does anyone have any specific information about using a LANC remote on the X70? It looks like it just has their new multi A/V port and no 2.5mm LANC jack. I see that Sony offers a couple tripods that come with a wired controller and believe they come with multiple cables to adapt to all their different designs, but I will not be using a tripod. I will be using a fluid head on a tree arm and need remote control over the on/off, start/stop, zoom, and hopefully focus.
I'm hoping there's an option or a workaround for this as it could be a deal breaker for me, and I really like everything else about this camera.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I think everybody follows a wrong assumption.
(quoting from BH)
X70: $2300
CX900: $1500
AX100: $1800
XLR-K1M: $800 (mic adapter with exact same layout as in X70 but without handler)

Judging from pricing, this camera is the pro version of the CX900, because AX100+XLRK1M are more expensive than X70 and have considerably less functionality (except 4K).

So Sony brings an HD pro camera that is better deal than anything else out there and gives you the option to pay more and get 4K whenever you feel you need it. If they follow the same pricing scheme the 4K upgrade will be around $800, because that's the difference between x70 and CX900 and IMO, will not have a better 4K implementation than AX100.

If they choose to have a better codec, the difference in price will be way way bigger.
Although I would have like the idea, personally I doubt.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Remote that will work is the RM-VPR1 Sony RM-VPR1 Remote Control with Multi-terminal Cable RM-VPR1.

Also the low light level of 1.7 is for slow shutter. At a more normal 1/60 it is 3lux.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

That's the one I found also. It doesn't seem to offer manual focus though. I suppose that's not a deal breaker, but I would think they would offer a remote that would give you full manual controls. I suppose since the X70 has touch focus I can live without it on the remote. It just seems kinda silly to build a camera like this, and then handicap it with something as simple as the LANC function.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

You can also use the the WiFi app too.

Just to add to the low light. My AX1 is rated at 4Lux 60P 1/30 equivalent to the 1.7 lux of the X70.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

The Wifi App is something to consider I suppose. I have the App for my GoPro and it seems like every time I need it, it's jacked up and I can't use it so I just can't rely on it.

Since we are looking at the same sensor as the AX100, does anyone know how the AX100 or X70 compares in low light to the XA20? From my understanding the XA20 get's pretty high praise for it's low light capabilities. Something that is very important to me.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

The AX100 "LANC" also works with the AVM1 - AV to MULTI adapter - so at least in theory, some other LANC controllers may work. On the never ending AX100 thread it was reported that the cheap Viivitar LANC controller (which does have buttons for focus) worked via adapters... so it MAY be possible to access via LANC.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

RM-VPR1 | ? Interchangeable-Lens Cameras | Sony UK
VCT-VPR1 | Handycam® Camcorder | Sony UK

this both are works for the AX100 and CX900
I have the VCT-VPR1 Remote Control Tripod for the AX100, in cause to the better remote control
the cheap tripod self, I have donate to a grandchild for his photo-cam. and the remote are now relocate on my Video-tripod
who can I fixed the zoom on his least level, and switching on/of the grid lines....

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I have a VCT-VPR100 that is not a bad light tripod that comes with 4 interface cables for compatibility with just about all Sony products !!!

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

in 1080 the AX100 is better than the XA20 in low light, half-stop or even more. I had both. The same scene can be shot @ 1/100 on the AX100 while the XA20 needs 1/60 (shutter speed). same DB applied on both.
regarding the lanc I can confirm that the cheap vivirar (lanc) works via the AV-M1 and the 2.5mm to sony av-r cable: zoom , start/stop, zoom speed (8 constant plus variable), on-screen info on-off (but only on the LCD, doesn't work on a monitor via HDMI, focus and ON-Off (CAMERA) . The libec 3DV didn't work (no idea why).

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I was wondering if anyone has noticed that there are no provisions on the X70 for mounting a neck/shoulder strap. Perhaps I haven't been observant enough but I have been over every mm of the camera in the hi-res photos on the B&H website and I couldn't see any strap anchors. Of course you could jury rig something through the handle grip but that wouldn't be ideal.

I bought this item and have tried it on my Canon EOS 7 D and it works beautifully with the shoulder strap I used with my PMW 200. I figure with the X70 my hand will be close to the top of camera handle when it is hanging down at my side and I can steady the camera while walking.

Here is the item - expensive but well made - they also make an assembly for sliding the camera up but I wont need that - my regular Porta Brace strap works fine:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/925548-REG/custom_slr_cl01b_c_loop_black.html

This is the assembly I mentioned :

Custom SLR Glide Strap with Split Strap Technology | B&H Photo

I also talked with B&H and the latest estimate of camera shipment is the first 7-10 days of September :-)

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I noticed I got a few updates to this thread via email but when I clicked the link those responses weren't there? That last post is the first new one that's come through in a few days.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Barry, you're observations are correct. It looks the same as the AX100 on which there is only the small ring on the grip's hand strap, not very ideal. For my AX100, I have picked up a Peak Design strap in Singapore (soon available at B&H). I attach to the hand strap and then use the screw in eyelet at the tripod mounting hole to give another attach point. If I attach both ends of the neck strap to the handle ring, then it pulls the camera to one side. Attaching to the ring and the tripod stud still pulls the camera off center but a little more manageable. Trying to think of how to rig something better...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1071398-REG/peak_design_sl_1_padded_camera_sling_shoulder_neck_strap.html
Mark

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I had noticed the lack of attachment points for a strap also. I guess Sony decided that the form factor on this smaller camcorder didn't need a strap. A little disappointing to me too. I have a really cool strap the is like a bungee cord that allows me to put positive down force on the camera while walking to help smooth out the walking motion. It works really well. I'm sure I can figure out a way to make it work though.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

The NX30U, one of the cameras the X70 will replace, also has no the provision for a strap.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Using the Custom SLR C Loop Mount the camera will hang upside down (attached to the tripod mount) and my hand should be even with the handle on the camera. I should be able to steady the camera for walking and bring it up to shooting position with a minimum of hastle.

I should have the camera by the end of this week - if this system works, I'll post a pic.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I had emailed a certain company that produces Sony instructional videos asking if they planned one for the X70 and it was hinted (by Sony) that they should wait until IBC before proceeding with future plans. Wouldn't it be interesting if they were bringing out something with specs like the PMW 200 that could do 4K??

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Or how about a Z100 with the X70's 1" sensor? It would lose some of the zoom range, but it should increase the light sensitivity. That would be a fair trade off.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

The obvious choices would be a 4K version of the VG30 and/or EA50. The EA50 body would be big enough for XQD slots and a fan !!! Though Sony Alpharumors is suggesting a replacement for the FS100 to compete with the Canon C100 .

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Somehow I missed this comment earlier. Thanks for the info. That certainly is a big factor for my type of shooting. Thank you for confirming that I will be able to make it work.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Stephen are you considering the AX100 or X70? the major reason that made me go back to EX1r and sell the AX100 was the degradation of the footage panning. at 1080 was visible but at 4K was too much. I'm not talking about the rolling shutter, I'm talking about the blur that starts showing the moment you pan. that's mainly due to the internal sharpening , not adjustable on the AX100 .Now the X70 gives the picture profiles where you can dial the sharpening (detail) down and hopefully the frequency and crispness (NR) like in the EX1r, and that makes a difference panning. In few days we all will see , I have the X70 on pre-order. What I said about the lanc was about the AX100, not the X70. again in few days I'll be able t confirm if it works on the X70 as well.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Got confirmation that while the X70 can record 30p in both HD resolutions... it does not output 30p over SDI. Bummer...and complete missed opportunity by Sony on this when the XF205 will. I asked to pass this known fact onto appropriate Sony channels... maybe there is a slither of a chance it will come at release or inserted into the 4k/streaming upgrade.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

You mean to a recording device or even to a monitor? You can't monitor 30p?

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I would guess that it's 29.97psf over over 60i. (Both top and bottom field are sliced from the exact same progressive frame...so when combined again, they match the original frame) This would be 2:2 pulldown on any Atomos recorder.

So, you get the "30p" look and progressive quality just wrapped in industry common standard 60i for transport.

Dunno...just a guess.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

3G hd-sdi isn't incredibly well supported for a number of reasons. Hdmi is better set up for 30p as a consumer interface.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

30p is NOT a 1.5G HDSDI standard, never has been and never will be. This is not a Sony limitation, it is an industry wide limitation because 30p and 25p were not in use when the 1.5G HDSDI standards were laid down. So to be compliant with industry standards most cameras use PsF.
The standard for 30p over HDSDI is 30psf, a signal that electronically is identical to 60i but actually contains a true progressive stream.

The X70 outputs 30p over HDSDI using PsF, like just about every other camera.

HDSDI is so much better than HDMI. It's 10 bit, 422. The connector won't just fall out, and is much more reliable.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

so this issue is a non- issue?

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

It's a non-issue. Something Sony has already done nicely on their other cameras for a long time.

Nothing wrong with 29.97 psf. It's the best of both worlds. You get 100% of the progressive look you need and can still transport it over the industry normal 60i standard. A 2:2 pulldown is basically lossless. It just joins the top and bottom fields back to it's original 30p source frame. (no pixels lost, no motion artifacts)

It's a win/win situation!

(The only theoretical problem could maybe arise if the system tried to pull a top field from frame "5" and a bottom field from frame "6" and try to join them together...ehhh, I doubt that would ever happen)

CT

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

X70 Operation Manual is now online: http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/support/op.../1237493097718

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

The manuals for the PXW-X160/180 are also up on the same site.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Hmm, looks like it does not include the AX100's 120fps in any mode at all. It does however retain the touchscreen manual focus.

I'll be anxious to see more sample videos. I'm also hoping Sony will give more details soon about the upgrade to 4K and what else is included with that.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I does not have a " My Buttons feature" for the LCD which I like on my NX30U but does have assignable buttons though.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Heading for IBC opening in Amsterdam today. Hoping that Sony has it on the stand. Would be good if we finally can put some hands on the X70 and it will no longer be a "behind glass" presentation only. Will let you guys know.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

This is the sort of think that is so awesome about DVinfo ... people around the globe which effectively give us all an incredible resource like a major news network would have.

Andrew

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I brought this up and looked into it because the new Canon XF205 DOES output a true native 30p signal over 3G-SDI. Maybe I need to check the manual again, but I'm quite sure I read this.

29.97psf is an issue for those using popular vision mixers such as Blackmagic ATEM 4k and Roland VR50, etc. When in 1080p mode, that input signal has to be progressive. Tricasters do have a 2:2 pulldown setting, but out of our price range for multi-cam live mixing/streaming. Sure there are "inline" solutions from Atomos and AJA to do the 2:2 pulldown before it reaches the mixer, but thats just one more added cost, one more fail potential point, and everything else that comes with hardware required where another camera would not need it.

To summarize, those looking for the ideal video camera in this price segment to produce live streaming events up to 1080p with "minimal add-on conversion hardware", the XF205 currently remains the best choice.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Extensively had the hands on the X70 today at IBC. Sony has three models on the stand, so all chances to just try the camera. And I must say, Sony made a very interesting move with this camcorder. Though, in lowlight the camera with it's 1" sensor is not as good as I was hoping for after reading the first reviews. Inside the exhibition hall on 0dB, with a clear ND, shutterspeed 50 and iris wide-open, it just didn't do it. I needed at least 9 dB gain to achieve an acceptably illuminated picture. It's not a lot better than Canon XA20/25 but way better than JVC's HM150.

Furthermore, the lenshood doesn't include a closing feature. You gonna do it with an oldschool lenscap there. Yeah, that nasty thing you always loose or bungles on your camcorder on a cord. The PMW-100 does already had that and this X70 also unfortunately. In that aspect, the XA20/25 is better designed.

Ow and yeah, something expected was on my request confirmed by an official Sony representative. The PMW-100 is already out of production and will leave the productline officially after the X70 is released.

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

While you are there, ask them about the future of the PMW-150 and 200. Just curious.

See the Area 51 post: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/area-51/...continued.html

Andrew

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

I think it was already mentioned that the PXW-X160/180 would replace the NX5U, PMW-150/160. I am sure the announced PXW-X200 will also replace the PMW-200.

One thing someone could ask about is when the firmware update will come out for the PXW-Z100 and the FDR-AX1.

Ron Evans

Re: Sony PXW-X70 announced: Pro XDCAM version of AX100
 

Yep, that was also my thought Ron. Though I see the PXW-X70 as a whole new camcorder. The PMW-100 was a different camcorder. For those who need/love the SxS workflow there is no entry-level camcorder anymore. Also it doesn't support the XDCAM HD 422 codec anymore. And while XAVC seems the way to go most broadcasters still require it. I wouldn't be too surprised if there would be a PXW-X100 with a single 1/3" chip, XAVC and XDCAM 422 codecs and a 10x or 12x lens soon.....