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Brian Drysdale October 3rd, 2019 06:24 AM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
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Ryan Elder October 3rd, 2019 07:06 AM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
Well I feel that everything turns out better in the planning phase then the final execution and thought maybe I could use a co-director who is more aware of handling problems during shooting, where as I feel I am much better in the planning phase.

But I feel like I take a good amount of the advice on here though. I was told not to break the 180 degree rule except in certain circumstances, so I won't do that again, or I was told to not shake the gimbal movement, so I will find a better gimbal operator, etc.

I'm just doing the best I can, but I feel I must keep pushing forward, but that's good in a way, isn't it?

Brian Drysdale October 3rd, 2019 07:22 AM

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I'm not sure how that would work, since the other director may let you do your thing and mostly ignore your storyboard/shot list. You could just end up being the storyboard artist.

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2019 08:10 AM

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Yeah. I would say you/Ryan need to learn to get BETTER in the areas where youre weak. I still say (and the ten or more people here and in other threads whove contributed have said as much) you are not ready to make a feature. You keep asking people here for opinons, so do you actually trust what we tell you? I know you dont want to spend money on more shorts but I think you should do some short pieces, paid or not, and practice the types of scenes/techniques youve been asking about before you blow your finances on a feature. Prove to yourself that can actually pull off even a short or simple scene before you jump off a cliff onto a feature and get in over your head.

Pete Cofrancesco October 3rd, 2019 08:27 AM

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I’m not saying you’re obligated to take our advice. Most of your questions aren’t really questions. For example when you ask should you co-direct I can tell you’ve already made up your mind that’s what you’d like to do. If that’s what works for you by all means try it. But I agree with Brian that it’s only natural another director is going want to take over and do things his way and in the process change a lot of what you planned out. As long as you’re ok with that then you should be fine.

I like Josh see this co-director thing as a red flag that you’re not ready to direct a feature film. We aren’t trying to unfairly criticize you. Based on what you’ve told us you seem to perpetually throwing yourself into difficult situations that you’re ill equipped or prepared to handle. It’s better to build off smaller more manageable situations where your chance of success is greater. Creating a low budget feature indie film is really hard not many of us could or would want to take on that task. So there is no shame if you decide that you’d be better at limiting yourself to a smaller role in someone else movie.

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2019 08:35 AM

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He probably isnt fine with it. I suspect he still wants all the control he’d have as sole director without the burden of handling the aspects he’s uncomfortable with.

Ryan Elder October 3rd, 2019 10:14 AM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
Well my biggest weekness is directing good performances out of the actors so i thought i could get a co-director to direct the acting while i direct the shot decisions with the dp and the crew.

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2019 10:22 AM

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Right. We’re saying you might have your other wishes outside of the performances ignored and get steamrolled by your co director. In other words he/she may overstep their bounds and do/change more than you want them to. Maybe a contract should be in place to establish clear division of duties and prevent that.

Pete Cofrancesco October 3rd, 2019 10:34 AM

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What you’re describing is you would be the Director of Photography and he/she would be the Director but limited to only acting and you would have final say. It’s a bit odd, I guess you can do whatever you want if you can find someone who would agree to those terms.

Brian Drysdale October 3rd, 2019 10:36 AM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
The director dealing with the actors may completely change your planned blocking, so that you are well out of your comfort zone because you'll have to think on your feet, plus deal with the possibly that the DP may tend to listen to the other director because they're dealing with the actors.

The successful co directors tend to have a long term working relationships, which can cover a number of roles in which they work as a partnership. The small number of such working relationships show how difficult they are to form and to survive in a world of big egos.

Paul R Johnson October 3rd, 2019 11:41 AM

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Sharing in my humble opinion only ever works where the two people sit down and draw up a formal and agreed allocation of roles AND responsibility. Otherwise, the director wants it done his way, the DoP wants the shot his way and one person must win. I suspect I know it wouldn't be Ryan - he constantly lets people walk all over him even when they are totally clueless. I cannot think of a worse way to lose my money.

Far too often nowadays, the title is more important than what they do. I don't know ANY Directors silly enough to be under the DoP. The Directing role is 100% creative, while the camera role is a mix of art and craft. Difficult to balance with somebody with just one aim.

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2019 11:57 AM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
But Ryan wouldnt be the DoP...cause he’ll have a separate person with that title.

Pete Cofrancesco October 3rd, 2019 12:07 PM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
I’ve said this before half jokingly but I would rather see the behind the scenes reality tv show of the making of these idie pictures. Edited properly that would be vastly more entertaining. “The Reel World” I’m trademarking that! A bunch NYC film school grads living in the same apartment, trying to get their first feature film off the ground.

Ryan Elder October 3rd, 2019 12:15 PM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
Oh well i wouldnt be under the dop. My idea was to have a contract in place to address such matters. I just thought a co-director would be good to handle the acting sides of it.

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2019 12:28 PM

Re: Is FrameForge worth buying for storyboarding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco (Post 1953757)
I’ve said this before half jokingly but I would rather see the behind the scenes reality tv show of the making of these idie pictures. Edited properly that would be vastly more entertaining. “The Reel World” I’m trademarking that! A bunch NYC film school grads living in the same apartment, trying to get their first feature film off the ground.

Thats KINDA what HBO’s Project Greenlight was except it was probably heavily manufactured.


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