Vegas 5 bad results
 

Hello everybody!
I have a very bad results after rendering out in mpeg-1/VCD/ or even in mpeg-2/SVCD or DVD/. The rendered clip looks like it is loosing frames, i.e. it looks very bad even in slight camera movement. Of course, the problem doesn't exist in captured video file. My DV cam is PAL, the capture is in PAL, the project properties are set in PAL too. So,where is the problem? The link below consists of little grab of converted /rendered/ clip in mpeg-1 VCD format. Ok, don't pay attention on VCD quality. Just look at the frame movement, so ugly and shatered-like!

http://rapidshare.de/files/844959/example.mpg.html

Go to the link by clicking the LEFT mouse button, then go to the bottom of the loaded webpage and see SELECT YOUR DOWNLOAD. Choose FREE!!! Then go to the bottom of the newly loaded webpage and wait until countdown reaches 0 /zero/. Then the direct link will appear. That's all!
Also, this is just rendered clip, i.e. without any fx, etc.
Waiting for help!!!

MPEG-1 VCD will always look like a VHS tape (kinda).

First 4 major questions:

1) where do you want to show this on or how do you want to distribute? (If you just want to distribute your movie over the internet there is no reason to go with MPEG1 or 2)

2) which template did you use? Did you change *ANY* settings (advanced) when picking the template?

3) did you shoot progressive or interlaced? Did you match your project and export settings to this?

4) with, or on what, did you watch the resulting MPEG file?

Edit: I've downloaded and watched your file. This is a render at
50% resolution, but looked fine to my eyes. Nothing really bad
about it at all (besides the low resolution)!

Are you sure the player is not the problem here?

So, my template is: PAL Standard (720x576; 25,000 fps).

I think the project and export settings are ok. About progressive or interlaced: what is the matter when I shoot in PAL? I need mpeg format because of making a VCD/DVD.

Again, I told, don't look at the resolution quality, it is normal for mpeg-1. The problem is in the movement!!! You see that when there is a camera movement, the vision is so bad and inclear.

Actually you can not understand exactly what you are watching. That is the problem. If you see the captured clip, you can see so clear everything shooted without any kind of shattering or frame loosing. In other words: the trouble is that the rendered clip looks like highly motion blured, if you understand what I mean.

Also, do you think that the K-lite mega Codec Pack can be the reason for my problem?

So,please for more suggestions!

Progressive and interlaced have everything to do with this, it exists
in both PAL and NTSC. Which camera did you shoot this with?

Your standard PAL template is interlaced (if you are talking about
the project settings).

Which export template where you using? (for MPEG-2 / DVD!)

Again, you should not expect good results from VCD/MPEG-1.

Any camera movement also has motion blur, so depending on
shutter speeds while recording this amount will vary.

I do not know this codec pack.

You have not answered on what or with what you where watching
your footage.

p.s. the clip does NOT look like HIGHLY motion blured to me. Yes,
it has some motion blur when moving around (which is too fast
for most serious work anyway), but I don't see any problems with
it on my system.

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Progressive and interlaced have everything to do with this, it exists
in both PAL and NTSC. Which camera did you shoot this with?

Your standard PAL template is interlaced (if you are talking about
the project settings).

Which export template where you using? (for MPEG-2 / DVD!)

Again, you should not expect good results from VCD/MPEG-1.

Any camera movement also has motion blur, so depending on
shutter speeds while recording this amount will vary.

I do not know this codec pack.

You have not answered on what or with what you where watching
your footage.

p.s. the clip does NOT look like HIGHLY motion blured to me. Yes,
it has some motion blur when moving around (which is too fast
for most serious work anyway), but I don't see any problems with
it on my system. -->>>

My DV Cam is JVC GR DVL 520A and the footage is in excellent quality really. About PAL interlacing - what settings you recommend? Where to see about?
I watch the grab with Windows Media Player, with any players also. The result is the same on the TV too! Even worse, I think!!!
I can not understand: my DV cam shoots in PAL 25 fps, VCD PAL and DVD PAL too, but after rendering out the clip looks EXACTLY as frame loosed inside. I know that only the bitrate is different: in my DV Cam it is 30030Kb/s, in VCD - 1150Kb/s, DVD - 6000Kb/s. But I dont think that this is the general trouble!
Finally, K-Lite is the biggest mega codec pack in the world now, v1.20.

I'm sorry, but I just don't seem to be following this whole thing.

Choose an MPEG-2 export and pick a PAL template and go to
advanced. Set bitrate to constant bitrate (CBR) with a value of
8000. How does that look?

I think your camera is interlaced, so leave everything to interlaced.

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : I'm sorry, but I just don't seem to be following this whole thing.

Choose an MPEG-2 export and pick a PAL template and go to
advanced. Set bitrate to constant bitrate (CBR) with a value of
8000. How does that look?

I think your camera is interlaced, so leave everything to interlaced. -->>>

Would you explain more step-by-step, please:
1.where is ADVANCED option you mentioned above?
2.where is INTERLACED option too?

I don't use Vegas, but perhaps the way it works under Premiere Pro will help?:

When you create a custom presets, they are saved to a file under your user profile.

In Windows XP, a new "prfpset" file (usually named "Effect Presets and Custom Items.prfpset") is created under your user profile. Assuming default locations, it is under:

C:\Documents and Settings\profilename\Application Data\Adobe\Premiere Pro\1.5

where "profilename" is your user name. (Perhaps Vegas has application settings under the application data folder as well?)

In Premiere Pro, your presets are added under the Presets bin in the Effects window so that you can drag and drop them just as you would any other. You can create your own custom presets bin or leave them there.

If you wish to back up your custom presets file or move it to another system (or both), just copy the prfpset file. It also doesn't have to remain under your profile, you can place it under the Effect Presets folder, usually found at:

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5\Plug-ins\en_US\Effect Presets


(There must be a similar presets location with Vegas).

If you do move it (at least with PPro), you'll get another one when you save additional presets... so it is probably best to leave it where it is.

I hope this helps.

John

Please Help !!
 

Hi,

I have a problem that’s driving me nuts. I have the JVC GR-PD1 (PAL version of the JVC GR-HD1). After filming in auto at HI RES 625/25p (High resolution the pal version can do) I capture and load that .m2t clip into Sony Vegas's media pool which goes fine. If I try preview the footage from the media pool or drag it onto the time line and play it there, the video stream plays back X2 faster than normal and audio lags behind.

When the footage is on the timeline, the audio is the standard length and the video is half the amount. If I do the above in 625/50p I don't encounter the problem so, it's like the video is in a slight fast forward and again, as a result the audio lags behind at the normal rate. This issue occurs if I capture with either D-VHS or Connect HD so doesn't seem to be a capture issue. If I rename the .m2t file to .mpg I can play it back at normal speed in windows media player. If I convert the HI RES .m2t file to .avi using Connect HD and play it back in windows medai player I get the same error X2 speed video, normal speed audio. I took some footage in 625/50p and didn't encounter this problem. The problem occurs when I go to the Hi Res mode of 625/25p.

Thanks in advance for any input.

You can definitely disregard my previous post! :-)

I installed Vegas and found that custom presets are saved in the registry under the key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DXTransform\Presets

Each plugin has a long id that corresponds to it (such as B432972D-E08D-11D2-BF8A-006097C9EBF7 which was used for MB Editors on my system). Presets corresponding to that plugin are saved as REG_BINARY values under the id key.

You should name your presets something very distinct so that you you will easily see them.

You can export your registry keys and merge them back if you ever need them (or want to transfer to another system). Be careful in the registry if you don't know much about it, however.

John

A decent sepia
 

Just wondering if anyone's found anything?
I think the presets look kind of fake.

OK I found out why it's happening but still no luck finding a solution. The Vegas software is reading my PD1 Hi Res 25p footage at 50p and as a result playing it back twice as fast. Apparently I have to change a setting somewhere in Vegas to tell it that The .m2t file is 25p not 50p. Any help on how to do this would be fantastic. Any help on how or where to find a solution would also be great.

Cheers

For sepia tone, start with the color corrector.

Drag the three wheels to slightly different shades of orange/red. Drag the middle wheel with stronger strength than the others.

Once you get an idea of what you want, you can go into color curves and get more control that way. Color curves:
Select just the red curve. Make it concave down.
Select just the blue curve. Make it concave up, but with less strength than the red curve.
Add a point in the middle of the green curve. Adjust the tangent/slope of that point's tangent/slope control.

If you right-click the clip and choose properties, can you change it to the correct speed there?

Also, what would happen if you started capturing about two seconds farther into the tape (I'm assuming you probably just captured from the very beginning of the tape).

Thanks Glenn, David and Peter for your help. - Jeff

Not sure if this is possible in Vegas, but I think it is -- one of many ways sepia tone is created in Photoshop is to use a B&W file and to place a solid brown/orange color overlay in "color" blend mode and then reduce opacity to taste. In Vegas, I think you could reduce saturation of the video track to 0%, then have a solid color blend with it, couldn't you? As I said, I have not tried this.

<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Kennedy : Not sure if this is possible in Vegas, but I think it is -- one of many ways sepia tone is created in Photoshop is to use a B&W file and to place a solid brown/orange color overlay in "color" blend mode and then reduce opacity to taste. In Vegas, I think you could reduce saturation of the video track to 0%, then have a solid color blend with it, couldn't you? As I said, I have not tried this. -->>>

Based on your description, yes that could be done. There IS a sepia effect built into Vegas, though.

But why use dv50 if that's not what you get originally from a DV cam ? You will just use originally lower quality footage and put it in dv50. That will never make it better no ?

Frank

What effects to use to achieve this effect
 

Hi, in Vegas 5, how would you be able to get the following effect?

Thanks in advance!

The Stuttering Video tool in Tsunami should give similar results. There's also a similar tool in the Pixelan tool. To manually do this, add the same video on say three tracks and offset them a couple of frames. Lower the opacity on the top track to around 30% and the middle track to around 50%.

Play around with the opacity levels, offset distance/direction, and maybe even the number of tracks. The effect really works BEST with a stationary camera.

Photoshop instructions, which show you "stepwise" sepia toning:
http://www.photo.net/photo/sepia/index

You might just want to check it out even if you don't plan on using Photoshop, because they use multiple tones for the sepia look (and that looks better).

Replacing Vegas Audio track
 

I have a sequence that I've created and when I inserted the video I deleted the audio track. Is there any way to get it back without having to re-insert it?



Thanks guys!

Undo???

Yea...it was saved and re-opened.

No hope of undo

Audio CD problem
 

I am trying to burn an audio CD using Vegas. WHenever I click on any CD options (including CD tab in preferences) system just hangs while it looks for CD drives. I have two different CD drives that are recognized by every other program but Vegas. WHen I click on burn track at once it does the same thing. The project file has one MP3 file as source, broken into 4 tracks, but I doubt that matters.

Any clues? Or is there a better way to burn an audio CD using Vegas (or Soundforge or Nero) ? SHould I be doing some kind of rendering and then a different program to burn, like I have to do with DVDs?

If you're saying that you want to get back the audio that belongs to a video event, then, yes, Excalibur's Orphan Wizard does just that (and visa versa too).

Gary

I figured it out

Right click on the event, open in trimmer, double click event, select audio only, drag to timeline.


Hope this helps!

Vegas 5 and VirtualDub plug-ins
 

I've heard that VirtualDub plug-ins are compatible with Vegas 5. Is it true, and how to use them in Vegas? For example, I downloaded DESHAKER plug-in for VirtualDub, which is compatible with Vegas as I red somewhere. So?

Hi

Yeah I loaded the clip into vegas media pool, right clicked properties and the rate is set to 50 frames. problem is the drop down menu used to change it is greyed out. I use D-VHS to capture so I have tried capturing from all over the place. Need to know how to change that frame rate down to 25.

Many (but not all) can be used by loading them in the WAX plugin available at http://www.debugmode.com. You can also use the Frameserve software at the same location to frameserve to VirtualDub.

<<<-- Originally posted by Steven VanHorn : I figured it out

Right click on the event, open in trimmer, double click event, select audio only, drag to timeline.


Hope this helps! -->>>

That will work. The method Gary mentioned is faster and easier, though.

Thanks to all.

You're right, Edward. Is there anything that Excalibur can't do?

-Steven

So you're saying when you go to Tools - Preferences you can't click on the "CD Settings" tab?

If that is the case, you may need to contact Technical Support to see if they can help.

Anything? Yes. But we're working on that too! :-)

Anyone using this?
 

EZ Keyboard:

http://www.videoguys.com/EZkeys.html

If so, what do you think of it? And -- are there any other similar options out there?

Thanks --

Yep, the export settings were still set to interlaced. It looks great now.

Thanks!

How to import footage into Vegas
 

Do I need anything special or will Vegas recognize the camera and start importing the MPEG TS on its own? Thanks a lot.

Nope, Vegas currently cannot capture m2t streams. You'll need either DVHS, which is available all over the web (the VASST site has a link to an English version), or you can get Cineform Connect HD, which will capture the m2t stream and convert it to an .avi for best editing experience in Vegas.

I know there are a couple of keyboards available with Vegas keys. I don't have any links handy but seem to remember that some were stick-on keycodes where others were actually imprinted. I've never used one of the Vegas keyboards (which are really just regular keyboards with differently labeled keys).

I also remember that one of the keyboards had the "ALT" and "Windows" keys reversed for some reason. Many people were complaining about that.

Shift - B doesn't always work
 

I am running 1 1/2 GIG of RAM and frequently when I go to RAM Render the process starts and stops a split second later. It fails to render the entire selection.

I notice this when the demand on the rendering process is greater however I would not suspect that at these times I would be using more than the allotment of RAM I have apportioned to Vegas, which is the Max.

Can anyone tell me why this happens and if there is a cure?