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Mike Moncrief October 31st, 2004 10:03 AM

looping video ideas?
 
Hi all,

I am going to be putting together a looping video to play in a high end nightclub/lounge, that has a bunch of Plasma screens.. It will have logos, drink specials, special events, private party announcements.. etc.. And I want to make it on a DVD (I am using DVD Architect 2 of course) but I know i am limited in time on the DVD.. I do not want the employees to have to run in the back to the DVD player every hour or even 2 hours to restart the promo dvd.. Of course I have thought of using a VHS tape (6 hours) but was hoping to use the DVD to keep the video quality high..

Any ideas on how to get a long loop ??

Thanks in advance..
mike m.

Don Bloom October 31st, 2004 10:28 AM

This sounds like you're going to run a single play movie with no menu so set your "end action" to 'most recent menu' and it should loop until you stop it.

Hope that's what you're looking for.

Don B

Peter Sieben October 31st, 2004 11:35 AM

Well guys, DTS encoding isn't that far away. Check the link down below, they offer 2 DTS software encoders. The most expensive one of the two is 499 dollar, which I consider as a prosumer price. Just render 6 WAV tracks from your 5.1 mix...
http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/products/products.html

I'm not sure how to build a dvd with a DTS audiotrack, can you use DVD-A for that purpose?

Peter

Rob Lohman October 31st, 2004 12:42 PM

The problem usually seems to be authoring (not encoding). DVDA
does not support dts tracks at this moment.

Phillip Jackson October 31st, 2004 03:46 PM

Thanks for all your help.

Its not too important at the moment just would be cool to have a dts soundtrack on the dvd for my next short film,
guess i'll just have to keep the dts files and wait till i get some software that will allow me to use it, or just stick it on as a dts wav as i tried and hope some dts decoders will decode it.

which is what i hoped would work cause like with some ac3 and dts wav files i downloaded once when i played on the computer they were just the noise, but when put in my dvd player they were decoded properly,

but my dts wav files i make just play the noise on both my computer and dvd player.

Philippe Gosselin October 31st, 2004 03:56 PM

pushing the velocity enveloppe
 
Hi all,


Quick question here , is it possible to go beyond the 300% limit for the velocity enveloppe , 300% is wayyyy too slow for what I want.


thx guys

Phil

Edward Troxel October 31st, 2004 03:59 PM

Setting the end action to itself should be all that is necessary. Note that if you already have it on DVD, most DVD players also have the ability to repeat a track as well.

To make things 100% simple on the end user (i.e. stick it in and walk away), I would do as Don suggested - Single Move project and set the end action to itself.

Mike Moncrief October 31st, 2004 04:34 PM

Hello,

OK, cool.. Did not know you could set the end action to itself.. And I was not even sure you could set an end action in a non-menu based DVD..

Thanks guys..

Mike M.

Dan Crandall October 31st, 2004 04:47 PM

The velocity envelope will give you 300% and a "CNTRL+Drag of the clip will give you an additional 400% for a total of 1200% (or 12x)

Edward Troxel October 31st, 2004 08:10 PM

If you need more than 12x, you have a couple of options:

1) Render out at 12x, put the new file on the timline, and then speed that up again (up to 12x). Repeat as needed.

2) Use the velocity tool in Veggie Toolkit. (There's a link to it at the link under my name)

Philippe Gosselin October 31st, 2004 08:28 PM

Thanks guys ,

Edward, I actually thought about that but after posting my question HIHIHIHI :)

Greatly appreciated guys

Phil

Jonathan Gentry November 1st, 2004 12:02 PM

30p
 
I have recorded my video in 30p using a DVX100a. I want to perserve 30p from recording to final production as a DVD. Are there any specific things to keep in mind in rendering or burning the DVD using Vegas 5 + DVD software or can I run defaults accross the board?

Thanks,

-Jonathan Gentry

Rob Lohman November 2nd, 2004 03:20 AM

Yes, make sure that everything is set to 29.97 fps PROGRESSIVE,
that INCLUDES your project settings AND your export settings
(which default to interlaced!!). Also make sure your authoring
programs has everything set to progressive.

Bob Safay November 2nd, 2004 05:05 AM

Printing to dv tape
 
I wanted to send my project to a dv tape so I can show it on vhs. So, I went into Tools, Print video to dv tape. All went well except, I now have 52 files that say "Vegas prerendered video file. 0001 (through 52). Question, can I delete these files without deleteing up my project? bob

Mark McCarthy November 2nd, 2004 06:09 AM

Vegas 5 won't render MPEG 1's
 
hello all
I can render MPEG 2's no problem but when I try to render MPEG1's, it just freezes a little way through.

I believe this is a common problem with VEGAS 5.

Any ideas? For the meantime I might just have to render them in Vegas 4! Not ideal though is it...

AND, what's news in version 5.2 b(?!)

love the program though. runs a treat on a laptop

thanks..Mark

Rob Lohman November 2nd, 2004 06:30 AM

I assume you mean 5.0b instead of 5.2b? The Sony site has
a readme with all the fixes and changes:

http://dspcdn.sonypictures.com/readm...gas_readme.htm

I think I had problems rendering to MPEG1 as well a while back,
but can't remember for sure. Sorry.

Edward Troxel November 2nd, 2004 08:47 AM

Yes you can. But if you PTT again, they will have to be re-created.

Bob Safay November 2nd, 2004 10:14 AM

Edward, as always...thank you. Bob

Jim Quinlan November 2nd, 2004 11:59 AM

Gary, EXCELLENT JOB with the Vegas training DVD's. I'm only into the second DVD of the set and have already learned a great deal.

Very clearly presented in an format that held my interest.

THANKS !!!!!

Jonathan Gentry November 2nd, 2004 02:44 PM

Are you saying if I imported my project without switching to Progressive, by default I have lost the value of my 30P and converted it to Interlace?

NOT GOOD!

Rob Lohman November 2nd, 2004 03:03 PM

No, only if you exported it with that. No program will/should change
your source files, they are just copied from your camera. Just
make sure all the rest of the settings (project, export) match
the footage to not introduce artifacts that do not belong there.

Jonathan Gentry November 2nd, 2004 05:03 PM

OK... When you said project settings I assumed that a project became a project when the files were imported. I have already edited a good bit of the project and never bothered to look at what those settings are. If I started editing the project already at default settings am I messed up for Progressive? I understand the export or render part but I'm speaking of what you refer to as the project...

-Jonathan

Edward Troxel November 2nd, 2004 05:12 PM

Go to File - Properties and change it there to change the "Project settings".

Jonathan Gentry November 2nd, 2004 05:28 PM

Thanks guys. May I ask what that changes if you set the export seperatly. Sorry to drag this out but this isn't computing in my slow brain.

Andre Andreev November 2nd, 2004 06:22 PM

To clarify
 
I believe you can change the project settings in Vegas *at any time*

Then when you render Vegas will use the currently selected settings.

Regards
-- Andre

Jonathan Gentry November 3rd, 2004 08:51 AM

Ok.. that makes sense. So setting the project to Progressive just changes the default render settings. Correct me if wrong.

Here's another related question to the Properties settings for the render job. If I'm exporting to Progressive DVD should I use NTSC Standard or NTSC DV? Standard seems like it should be the right call.

Thanks everyone...

-Jonathan

Danny Santos November 3rd, 2004 02:09 PM

Help
 
I have been using Pinnacle and Ulead Video editing programs for a couple of years now. Recently, I made some extra bucks and would like to buy Vegas 5 hoping to improve my video editing. Please note that I am by no means a PRO or do this for a living but rather a hobbyist and retired. I still consider myself green and newby in this field.

Before I jump into this challenging task I'd like to know some answer to the following:

1. Should I expect faster rendering process in Vegas 5?
2. Pinnacle and Ulead has some problems in video/audio syncronization. Has anyone experienced this problem in Vegas 5?
3. Can audio and color be improve in Vegas 5?
4. If you have the time, what other stuff can I expect in Vegas 5. Please don't be too technical. Layman terms please.

Thank you so much.

Edward Troxel November 3rd, 2004 02:25 PM

1. Should I expect faster rendering process in Vegas 5?

Probably not. However, you can probably expect better QUALITY rendering. Vegas' rendering is known for its quality, not speed.

2. Pinnacle and Ulead has some problems in video/audio syncronization. Has anyone experienced this problem in Vegas 5?

Never been a problem for me.

3. Can audio and color be improve in Vegas 5?

Yes. Vegas has the best audio tools of any NLE and the color tools are top notch.

4. If you have the time, what other stuff can I expect in Vegas 5. Please don't be too technical. Layman terms please.

TONS of stuff. My personal favorite is Scripting which is a means to automate tasks and add new features (check the link under my name for more details on everything - especially look through the newsletters).

Rob Lohman November 4th, 2004 03:21 AM

Your first remark is wrong. The default on export is INTERLACED
and not progressive. Vegas does not use the project settings
for export (at least not that setting). Just to make it a bit more
clear for you:

1. project settings: go to File -> Properties (progressive is in the pulldown called "Field order")

2. export settings: File -> Render As -> choose "Save as type" and "Template" -> Custom -> Video tab (again the "Field order" pulldown)

To answer your last question. The project settings don't have
much to do with export but about what kind of footage is in your
project. If you shoot in DV this should be set to DV (otherwise
your pixel aspect ratio will be WRONG [at least]). So set that to
NTSC DV and then change the field order to progressive.

Ralph Morris November 4th, 2004 06:48 AM

To Edward's reply I would only add that as a former Pinnacle S8 user, I found the switch to Vegas pretty easy. Vegas is at least two orders of magnitude more capable, so there are many tools available. You can, however, be editing in very short order.

Vegas is extremely stable, and the audio tools are first rate. I'm still using the 1394 card that came with Pinnacle Stuio DV. Works fine with Vegas.

Do not be concerned about the rendering speed. It may be longer than either of the products you have used, but the editing time will be much more efficient. The ability to preview on an external monitor can eliminate several tweak and rerender passes, especially when dealing with still images.

Glenn Chan November 5th, 2004 12:32 AM

You can have 2 instances of Vegas open at once, so you can render with one and edit the other.

Simon Wyndham November 5th, 2004 08:01 AM

Very peculiar Vegas 5b crashes
 
In the last two days I have started suffering from some very odd crashes with Vegas 5b. What happens is that on odd occasions when I use the undo function Vegas just disappears! I then have to load it up again and luckily it normally has an autosaved version of the project due to the crash.

I haven't installed anything new on my machine, which is only 3 months old and has no internet access.

The only thing I have done differently with this project is that I have used the media bins with a folder for each scenes files (15 bin folders in all). I've noticed some odd behaviour with these too (such as the placing of media from other bins into other scenes bins without my say so) as I never normally use Bins.

This is really frustrating me. It has happened around 5 times in the last 2 days, and it doesn't matter whether I use the Undo menu option or the keyboard shortcut, it still results in Vegas going AWOL occasionally. I've never had this problem before as Vegas is usually rock solid.

Graham Bernard November 5th, 2004 08:30 AM

Simon, what have you TITLED or named the Bins as?

Grazie

Simon Wyndham November 5th, 2004 09:02 AM

Just the scene numbers, eg Scene 1, Scene 2 etc

Danny Jones November 5th, 2004 01:41 PM

New Advice on editing
 
I have wedding gig I did and shot 1 cam shot. Well, I have few shots when toast was going on where I panned quickly to get 2 shot with 1 cam type deal. Now I am trying to figure out how to cut the panning part. I tried using the still pose of Bride/Groom but their facial expressions never change so it looks very obvious that I use same clips to try to cover the panning part. Any suggestions of what I can do the cut the panning??

Peter Sieben November 5th, 2004 04:11 PM

If you pan, is there someone visible on the screen that is doing some talking - just before or just after the panning? Or both? What I would do is cut the panning part, and find a way to do a hard cut without harming the continuity of a dialog or the audio. Try to sneak with the audio: for example, let the audio of the first videopart go on after the cut and try to make a crossfade with the audio of the 2nd videosegment after the cut.

Peter

Edward Troxel November 5th, 2004 04:25 PM

How about a generic "crowd" shot during the pan time?

Danny Jones November 5th, 2004 04:56 PM

Well I did not get good generic shot of crowd. I basically went from podium to bride/groom.

Tim Le November 5th, 2004 06:08 PM

Pan/Crop tool with initial velocity
 
Hi all,

Anyone know if it's possible to do a pan/crop move with an initial velocity? For example, say I want to do a left to right pan over a still image but I want it to already be moving at that velocity at the beginning of the clip and finish at that same velocity at the end of the clip. It appears that in Vegas 4 you can only set the keyframe to within the timeframe of the clip so you are always limited to a ramp up at the beginning and a ramp down at the end. Is this correct? Is there a way around this?

Thanks!

Gary Kleiner November 5th, 2004 07:03 PM

Try using a Fast interpolation curve.

If that doesn't do it for you, you can use a Video Mute Envelope to pop on an event "already in progress".

Also, you could render the event and just use the part where it's up to speed.

Gary


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