Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Trey Perrone · August 2nd, 2004, 05:05 PM

maybe i am crazy, but i could have sworn maybe a year or so ago i saw a tutorial on how to make text that appears to be "written" onto the screen. ive searched here and CCow under numerous keywords, but alas ive come up short. (i also tried searching all forums, thinking maybe it was under Premiere or something else)

im positively sure i saw something here...can someone verify ...that im not crazy...please.

thanks again ladies and gentlemen!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 2nd, 2004, 06:09 PM

Hey gang,

October 5-7 is the DMDC conference in tandem with the Government Expo conference. I'm the track chair for the audio tools, and will be presenting Vegas, Soundtrack, ACID, plus audio for video tracks. Mike Chenoweth and Jeffrey Fisher will be part of our team as well. If you can make it to DC, this is a great event with fabulous sessions.

You can see/learn more http://www.digitalmediadc.com/DMDC.shtml>

Lots going on there, with all the heavyweights of the biz. Come check out the VASST team in action!

Ryan Gohlinghorst · August 2nd, 2004, 06:57 PM

I'm with you there, Barry. Squeeze will yield great results with very little work. Great program.

Glenn Chan · August 2nd, 2004, 07:24 PM

It used to be that Cleaner + the sorenson pro codec was better than squeeze since you could do 2-pass VBR with Cleaner. I'm not sure if that's still true.

Edward Troxel · August 2nd, 2004, 08:57 PM

I remember one that described using a gradient created in Photoshop and changing the luminance in order to get the text to appear on the screen. You may also be able to achieve this by using the new bezier masking tools. Also, a simple wipe may be effective.

Mark Duckworth · August 2nd, 2004, 09:00 PM

Windows XP has everything hidden after the filename, so you cant see the file type (.mp3, .doc, .jpg etc.) so you have to go in and enable this function so you CAN see the extensions.

This is done by first opening My Computer

Then at the top chooser click tools and choose Folder Options

You will then get the Folder Options dialog box in front of you. On the tabs at the top, click on View then look for Hide File Extensions for known types then UNcheck this box.

Click Apply, then OK and you're done.

Go to the file you are looking to change, right click on it, and choose Rename.

Trey Perrone · August 2nd, 2004, 10:19 PM

a simple wipe would more or less reveal the title at a even pace, i kinda did something like that for a school project recently at the beginning: http://www.video-visions.us/demos/newhoriztrailer.wmv

i am doing my first wedding vid for my buddies sister and i want to create a script-looking text (cursive, almost handwritten) and then have it appear as if it was being written on screen. note that this would be a small amount of tect, such as "cliff & vicki." i imagine this would take a good deal of work even with just a few words...

perhaps the gradient / bezier idea would be better...i dont suppose you have that on your in your TTS section do you edward?

Edward Troxel · August 2nd, 2004, 10:34 PM

No I don't and just happened to remember something might have been written by "GG". Found this:

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/rea...hive=_2003|3|2

Mark Paschke · August 2nd, 2004, 11:05 PM

Thanks again Mark!
Actually I dont think I have to change it after all , I just forgot to set "Transport" in Vegas and therefor spent a couple hours stumbling around trying to figure out how to get the rendered project back to the CU VH1.

Have you tried Cineforms software with Vegas to see if it helps in editing? Is it worth a 1/2K, I am trying it in a free download with Adobe Premiere Pro right now but I really cant stand Adobes sluggishness as compared to the ease of Vegas and so I find myself limping around slowly in Adobe like I was a couple years ago when I discovered how nice Vegas was.

Mark Duckworth · August 2nd, 2004, 11:20 PM

I am thinking about purchasing Connect HD from@cineform as well. I posted a thread asking for comments about the performance levels and if it really does what cineform says it does but I had only one reply. I am also using the Adobe one as a try out. It seems to speed up adobe very well but from what I have read the vegas version isnt as fast. I will probably wait until their is a downloadable demo to try. 500 bucks is a little steep for a blind purchase.

Trey Perrone · August 2nd, 2004, 11:21 PM

superb, thanks for the response...unfortunately the main editing machine is clogged up with rendering...so i will have to give this whirl tomorrow...

thanks Edward! you are the man!

Andy Shrimpton · August 3rd, 2004, 01:58 AM

I thing there is a veg on the sundance site that does this.

Peter Jefferson · August 3rd, 2004, 02:54 AM

U can use Bezier Masking for a more finite approach... very elegant and keyframed :)

Barry Schmetter · August 3rd, 2004, 08:23 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Chan : It used to be that Cleaner + the sorenson pro codec was better than squeeze since you could do 2-pass VBR with Cleaner. I'm not sure if that's still true. -->>>

Glenn, I did direct comparisons using the 2-pass VBR encoding of Cleaner XL + Sorenson Pro 3 codec vs. Squeeze + Sorenson Pro 3 codec. The results weren't even close--in favor of Squeeze. I used to use Cleaner, but Squeeze has far surpassed the quality. I spent 10 hours tweaking Cleaner and ouputting many test files and couldn't achieve what took only two tries and 30 minutes in Squeeze. After outputting some extremely good WM9 files from Squeeeze, I will be uninstalling Cleaner. I had thought maybe I could skip a step and output directly from Vegas--but it turns out to be a poor option.

Glenn Chan · August 3rd, 2004, 08:51 AM

I didn't know that!

By the way, how does sorenson3 compare to Windows Media 9?

August 2nd, 2004, 05:05 PM	#376
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	text written onto screen maybe i am crazy, but i could have sworn maybe a year or so ago i saw a tutorial on how to make text that appears to be "written" onto the screen. ive searched here and CCow under numerous keywords, but alas ive come up short. (i also tried searching all forums, thinking maybe it was under Premiere or something else) im positively sure i saw something here...can someone verify ...that im not crazy...please. thanks again ladies and gentlemen! __________________ Trey Perrone

August 2nd, 2004, 06:09 PM	#377
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Washington, DC folk? Audio for Video fans? Hey gang, October 5-7 is the DMDC conference in tandem with the Government Expo conference. I'm the track chair for the audio tools, and will be presenting Vegas, Soundtrack, ACID, plus audio for video tracks. Mike Chenoweth and Jeffrey Fisher will be part of our team as well. If you can make it to DC, this is a great event with fabulous sessions. You can see/learn more http://www.digitalmediadc.com/DMDC.shtml> Lots going on there, with all the heavyweights of the biz. Come check out the VASST team in action! __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

August 2nd, 2004, 06:57 PM	#378
Ryan Gohlinghorst Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mankato, Minnesota Posts: 104	I'm with you there, Barry. Squeeze will yield great results with very little work. Great program. __________________ http://www.horsefilms.com "I like Mankato just a little bit better than any other town in the world." -Sinclair Lewis

August 2nd, 2004, 08:57 PM	#380
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I remember one that described using a gradient created in Photoshop and changing the luminance in order to get the text to appear on the screen. You may also be able to achieve this by using the new bezier masking tools. Also, a simple wipe may be effective. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 2nd, 2004, 10:19 PM	#382
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	a simple wipe would more or less reveal the title at a even pace, i kinda did something like that for a school project recently at the beginning: http://www.video-visions.us/demos/newhoriztrailer.wmv i am doing my first wedding vid for my buddies sister and i want to create a script-looking text (cursive, almost handwritten) and then have it appear as if it was being written on screen. note that this would be a small amount of tect, such as "cliff & vicki." i imagine this would take a good deal of work even with just a few words... perhaps the gradient / bezier idea would be better...i dont suppose you have that on your in your TTS section do you edward? __________________ Trey Perrone

August 2nd, 2004, 07:24 PM	#379
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	It used to be that Cleaner + the sorenson pro codec was better than squeeze since you could do 2-pass VBR with Cleaner. I'm not sure if that's still true.

August 2nd, 2004, 09:00 PM	#381
Mark Duckworth Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Japan Posts: 93	Windows XP has everything hidden after the filename, so you cant see the file type (.mp3, .doc, .jpg etc.) so you have to go in and enable this function so you CAN see the extensions. This is done by first opening My Computer Then at the top chooser click tools and choose Folder Options You will then get the Folder Options dialog box in front of you. On the tabs at the top, click on View then look for Hide File Extensions for known types then UNcheck this box. Click Apply, then OK and you're done. Go to the file you are looking to change, right click on it, and choose Rename.

August 2nd, 2004, 10:34 PM	#383
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No I don't and just happened to remember something might have been written by "GG". Found this: http://www.creativecow.net/forum/rea...hive=_2003\|3\|2 __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 2nd, 2004, 11:05 PM	#384
Mark Paschke Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Willamette Valley OR Posts: 90	Thanks again Mark! Actually I dont think I have to change it after all , I just forgot to set "Transport" in Vegas and therefor spent a couple hours stumbling around trying to figure out how to get the rendered project back to the CU VH1. Have you tried Cineforms software with Vegas to see if it helps in editing? Is it worth a 1/2K, I am trying it in a free download with Adobe Premiere Pro right now but I really cant stand Adobes sluggishness as compared to the ease of Vegas and so I find myself limping around slowly in Adobe like I was a couple years ago when I discovered how nice Vegas was.

August 2nd, 2004, 11:20 PM	#385
Mark Duckworth Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Japan Posts: 93	I am thinking about purchasing Connect HD from@cineform as well. I posted a thread asking for comments about the performance levels and if it really does what cineform says it does but I had only one reply. I am also using the Adobe one as a try out. It seems to speed up adobe very well but from what I have read the vegas version isnt as fast. I will probably wait until their is a downloadable demo to try. 500 bucks is a little steep for a blind purchase.

August 2nd, 2004, 11:21 PM	#386
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	superb, thanks for the response...unfortunately the main editing machine is clogged up with rendering...so i will have to give this whirl tomorrow... thanks Edward! you are the man! __________________ Trey Perrone

August 3rd, 2004, 01:58 AM	#387
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	I thing there is a veg on the sundance site that does this. __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

August 3rd, 2004, 02:54 AM	#388
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	U can use Bezier Masking for a more finite approach... very elegant and keyframed :)

August 3rd, 2004, 08:23 AM	#389
Barry Schmetter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Washington DC Posts: 38	<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Chan : It used to be that Cleaner + the sorenson pro codec was better than squeeze since you could do 2-pass VBR with Cleaner. I'm not sure if that's still true. -->>> Glenn, I did direct comparisons using the 2-pass VBR encoding of Cleaner XL + Sorenson Pro 3 codec vs. Squeeze + Sorenson Pro 3 codec. The results weren't even close--in favor of Squeeze. I used to use Cleaner, but Squeeze has far surpassed the quality. I spent 10 hours tweaking Cleaner and ouputting many test files and couldn't achieve what took only two tries and 30 minutes in Squeeze. After outputting some extremely good WM9 files from Squeeeze, I will be uninstalling Cleaner. I had thought maybe I could skip a step and output directly from Vegas--but it turns out to be a poor option.

August 3rd, 2004, 08:51 AM	#390
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I didn't know that! By the way, how does sorenson3 compare to Windows Media 9?