Feel free to move this to the correct forum.

I've done a music video and when I try to render it out
in interlaced mode with Vegas this happends (see file)

When I render in deinterlace it stops. I can't really tell
what's wrong. I've tried almost every thing I can think of
but nothing hepls exept deinterlace it.

Perhaps someone out there have had the same problem?
(oh, and changeing upper/lower feild order does not help)

http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/hard.avi

If you could post a few stills that would be more helpful - I for one can't download 20 MB right now.

But 99% of the time what people think are interlacing problems actually disappear when played on a normal TV set, so try that to be sure there's a real problem.

I've tried that. Looked the same.
Well, I cant post stills because it's a motion problem.
You have to see a movie clip to understand the problem.

If it is an interlace problem, a few stills should show the problem. Do you have a field order choice in Vegas? If so, swap the order and see what happens.

err... one thing to remember is that if u use an interlaced method, then render in anythign LESS than "best" artifacts WILL be noticable,
Im not about to downlaod 20mb, but if this is the issue (interlacing) there are many ways around the issue

Thanks very much Jim, you've given me hope. I have a similar setup as you and I'm getting an error when capturing; however my error doesn't show up until after stopping (very frustrating when I'm trying to capture a full tape!). I started 2 threads on the SoFo site; one about the above and one about latency in my external monitor,but both seeming to be a firewire issue. I'll try your remedy and report back.
Thanks again Jim,
Randy
BTW, I wonder if having an additional firewire card or 2 (as opposed to using one 3 port card) would allow us to use the 3 devices concurrently...just a thought (or shot in the dark)

The error after stopping also happened to me just FYI.

Well that's very encouraging then; I've got a bunch of different capturing to do tomorrow, I'll unplug everything but my capture device and keep my fingers crossed. BTW Jim, I edited my post (before reading your latest, just in case you missed it) and wondering if 2 or 3, 1-port firewire cards (as opposed to one 3-port cards would save us from having to plug/unplug everything. I should also mention that I never had this problem on my old PC which reinforces my suspicions of the firewire card.
Randy

Randy,

The results of my last capture test (3 seconds ago) confirm that it's the canopus DV / Analog converter that's the bad guy for sure. I left my Firewire hard drive on and it didn't interfere with the capture process.

I now own 2 firewire cards from all this trial and error and they're both good so maybe I'll try that suggestion of yours to put them both in the computer and see if I still have conflicts.

Jim

Please let me know how it works out Jim.
Thanks,
Randy

Randy,

Your theory proved correct.

I installed the second 1394 card and attached the canopus DV/Analog converter to that. Capture worked just fine when my camera was attached to the other 1394 card ! I even powered on the Canapus and capture still worked flawlessly.

Mystery solved. I guess I'll keep both 1394 cards and run the setup as it sits.

Great...I'm off to buy a new (1 or 2 port) firewire card!
I'm hoping this also has something to do with my external monitor latency.
Randy

The IMPROPER way is to Ctrl-drag the edge of the scrolling media to the desired length. It's faster and seems to work well. It may make the render time a bit longer, and if you get flicker or anything like that you should probably stick to the PROPER method.

I did a test for you (I don't normally use credit rolls much) I put one proper and one improper credit roll alongside each other (using track motion squeeze) and rendered to PAL DV. The scroll was 40 seconds and .250 playback respectively. No difference in rendering quality was discovered.
The default font even looked so good after the squeeze that I would recommend using it like that.

Of course, if you need to go lower than .25, you either have to, once again, do it the "correct" way OR apply a velocity envelope. Since you have to have the screen open to enter the text anyway, I've found it just as easy to type in the correct number to begin with.

It WOULD be nice is there was an option for the number to match "the length of the event".

ggrrr.....

yes im still waiting...

hey does anyone here use graffiti? apparently it does vector texts... hmm...

any thoughts on what Boris for vegas will have??

uhhh... it's being packaged with Avid XpressDV?

I read in another forum that they pushed the release date back inorder to make it more compatible with all the new NLE's that exploded onto the scene.

BAHH HUMBUG!!!

well SoFo... have a look at the "what i wanna see in vegas" thread and get cracking!!

Has anyone else had this problem?

While printing to tape the music will stop about half way thru the clip. I played the clip back on the computer and everything seems to be just fine. I've tried a number of things and I give up. Tried playing with sample rates but no luck.

The video is very smooth, looks terrific and no frames are dropped. It's just the darn audio.

I wanted to note that I am printing to a DVX100 and using 24p 2-3-3-2 pull down.

hmm..
this usually happens on the PC end..

i know some AVI files are huge and wnblows wont allow a defrag, but is there any way to clean up your HD ?

what kind is it?

usually drives with low cache experience this

Hi Peter. After reading on the Sonic Foundry boards it seems to be a major problem.

I have a custom built PC with a SCSI SeaGate 15,000 RPM drive 18 gig.

I'll try and defrag and see if that helps. Thanks.

I'm just wondering if from Vegas I can export a spreadsheet of the clips in the timeline and when they start/end and when cuts/effects/transitions take place. I am not at my computer so I cannot see if there is anything I can do. But I know that there must be a way to do it. Or I think there might be a script that we could write.

Rob

Take a look at the Edit Details screen. You can copy and paste the information from that screen.

Thanks Edward. I'll do that once I get home in 20min. hehe off to editing.

Rob

I will be getting V4 soon now and was reading the tech stuff for the new canon - sony - JVC - Sharp format. Sonic foundry's knowledge base search feature came up with the following info on supporting High Definition.

Editing
High Definition editing and output
Vegas 4.0 supports HD editing and rendering, including output to 1080/60i, 1080/30p, 1080/24p, 720/60p, 720/30p, and 720/24p. Output high definition video to .AVI, .MOV, MPEG-2, Windows Media 9 Series, RealVideo 9, .PNG and .JPEG sequences. Work with project sizes up to 2048x2048.

Will the 25p format planned by the canon - sony deal throw a curve to Vegas 4? It looked like they had planned on 24p.

Thanks

well, the drive isnt lacking thats for sure, even a defrag wont do much to help it, but you never know.

its a common problem, but as i dont print to tape, i really dont have any more ideas... :(

Vegas is pretty well format agnostic. However, it cannot capture or print some formats. For example, it can EDIT HD, it just can't capture it or put it back to tape. With 24p, it can capture, edit, and print. I don't know about the new canon format but isn't 25p simply PAL?

Mark I don't know if this has anything to do with your problem but SoFo recommends your final output to be standard 2-3 pulldown. So if you shoot in 24pAdvanced mode (w/ 2-3-3-2 pulldown) you should capture using the 24p template (that removes pulldown) do all prerenders with 2-3-3-2 but for final output it should be changed to 2-3.
Check out more info here:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=175137

Hope this helps, though I'm skeptical this would affect your audio cutting out during export. Anything is worth a try!

Yeah the PAL Canon GL-2 and XL-1s frame mode is 25p?!

Yes.

so wait, the new Canon-JVC HD format calls for 25p???? this is not Europe! Where is 24p?

How can one edit HD if they can't capture it??

I'm noticing what best can be described as video shearing in my preview window in Vegas during pans. Can LCD displays cause this? I know they can cause ghosting/blurring from slower pixel response times but is image artifacting/shearing a possiblility as well. Oddly enough I don't notice any ghosting during fast applications like games, etc probably due to the fact my display boasts a 16ms pixel response and is actually marketed towards gamers. Yet I still see this odd shearing during footage of slow continuous movement (ie durning slow to medium paced pans). Does anyone have any insight into this?

....by use of a 3rd party capture application like Sceenalizer. I think Sceenalizer can capture HD, someone who has experience with this product might know for sure.

Capturing and printing HD will require a separate application and the necessary hardware to sustain that datarate. Once captured, Vegas can edit it. However, you will have to use the third party hardware/software combination to get it back out of the computer.

Scenalyzer will not do HD (as far as I know).

I did get a reply from sonic, they basically stated the same thing,

"Thanks for writing. You will have to capture with a different program and then do your editing in Vegas 4.0. Vegas 4.0 can only capture from firewire and firewire doesn't capture HD."

So what kind of output would a new HD camera have that could sustain the data rate? (I am not sure what next generation of firewire plans for data rate). What kind of computer hardware would accept it? Eide, raid? usb 2.0 isn't that much better than the present firewire.

I had no problem picking up Vegas after a day and created my first simple project with no problem. Built my simple menus in DVD Architect (version 1.c) and attempted to burn them to DVD on my Pioneer drive (with has the latest firmware). I can't seem to reliably burn DVD-R discs, although I can create DVD-RW discs.

While I would prefer to use DVDA to burn my DVD's, I purchased Nero hoping it would do the job. I get the "reallocation" errors described in the Sonic Foundry forum. I ignored the warning and successfully burned a DVD but it will only play in the PC, not my home players. I also tried to burn a DVD-ROM(UDF) and DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO) and got DVD's that read in my PC but won't play in home players (Nero warns you they won't work).

Am I using the wrong Nero options? What do I need to do to create compliant files from DVDA for Nero? Is there some secret to getting DVDA to work (I have a call into support and have posted this elsewhere).

I am considering going back to PrimoDVD (that came with the drive), but I have to admit I couldn't figure out exactly what options to use in that product (I am concerned I don't have the version necessary and would need to use the MyDVD that came bundled with the Pioneer).

Suggestions would be appreciated.

If you can make DVD-RW but not DVD-R, try different media.

For my Pioneer A04, I like TDK DVD-R 2x and Ritek DVD-R 4x (although I can only burn at 2x). For DVD-RW, I like Maxell 1x and
Ritek .

I am using the TDK DVD-R 2x media, because my research indicated it was a good product compatible on many players. I don't think it is a media problem, rather a problem with the DVD-Architect software.

In terms of using output from DVD-Architect to Nero, I don't know why Nero doesn't like DVD-Architect files.

Thanks for the reply.

Are you using the latest version of Nero? Earlier versions had limited compatibility and still earlier versions had NO compatibility.

I'm considering using Pinnacle Impression. It also supports ac3 files and seems to be worthy of serious consideration.

On top of that it doesnt have issues with media or burning.

certain things to note with Architect is

1) It doesn't like apps which access drives while its doing its thing. This is hard when using multiple drives for media.

2) Multitasking while architect does its thing is non existent.. may as well leave it and go to bed and hope for the best

3) "Supported" drives dont make a difference to media used, as i use an A05/105 with the latest firmware and have tried 6 different disc types from different manufactures.
At the moment the ONLY workaround to all this is to burn a master to RW, test in on a RW compatible player like a PS2 (NOT PC) then use that master to burn clones using Nero or Prassi.

The reason Nero doesnt like Architect files is that Architect and nero run 2 different disc file systems.

Im now looking at my Impression CD, thinking whether or not to install it... i probably will and write off Architect as a cheap cash in on the DVD medium.

It's sad as i like being able to import markers and use them as chapter points. it saves alot of time. I also like being able to convert files in the Authoring app if i need to.. but in the end, if it ain't gonna burn my disc, i'm not gonna bother with it.
At the moment, i use it coz i have to <have some projects half done> and i use RW as a master, and even THAT is a gamble.

I use my machine for lots of other things and if i can't prepare a DVD and design a cover layout at the same time, theres no point.
PC's these days are designed to multitask. Architect is going backwards in this regard.

This weekend i'm checking out what Impression can do and if it's HALF as stable as Architect, i'll be switching.

IS there any hardware boards out there that will allow real video preview straight from Vegas (widouth having to use a deck or camera thru ieee) and video output to record to analog decks

cheers

Firewire has 2 specs currently.

The 400 Mbps Firewire a and the 800 Mbps Firewire b.
USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

The PROBLEM with trying to bypass the firewire link is that your colors could be off. Graphics cards will not necessarily show the same colors as the firewire connection.

However, you can currently just resize the preview window on a second monitor connection.

Also, check out the Canopus card (I forget the full designation). It is on special by Videoguys for readers of my newsletter. It is listed in issue #10 at http://www.videoguys.com/Vegas_Tips/TTS01-10.pdf

If the graphics card has firewire, is that ok?

Never seen a graphic card with a firewire connection. However, that would still require the camera as passthru.

The Canopus card is similar to the external convertor units built into a card.

Edward

Thans for the tip on the canopus .. do you happen to knwo of somethign liek that with component in/out ?

cheers, and thanks for the tips

Did you look at that Canopus card? I believe it HAS component in and out.

I use the canopus advc-100 (external) and it has in/out analog and digital.

Just make sure it's on a standalone firewirecard in your computer if you're using Vegas. Two of us just went through the mill debugging that problem.

This canopus card "looks" like a firewire card to the system but accepts an analog signal. Here are the specs I found:

> AVCEDVio PCI card
> FireWire cable (4pin)
> Composite to S-Video conversion cable
> ACEDVio controller software CD-ROM (Windows support only)
> Vegas ® 4.0 (full version – OEM edition)
> User Manual

Digital Video in/out
> 4pin FireWire connector

IEEE 1394 in/out
> 6pin FireWire connector

Analog Video in/out
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) input
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) output

Analog Audio in/out
> Stereo RCA input
> Stereo RCA output

OHCI specification
> Link layer complies with IEEE 1394 Open Host Controller Interface specification release 1.1
> Physical layer complies with IEEE 1394a-2000 (Data rate: 100/200/400Mbps)
> Modular 32-bit host interface complies with PCI Specification release 2.2