Dustin,

Visually you don't lose anything. Mathematically this in not like Microcosm which is an excellent codec. Basically if you want 5 times the performance without visually degrading the image, the Aspect HD system is a good choice.

Here is the Charlie White (digitalvideoediting.com) quote regarding Aspect HD's image quality:

"The software performs beautifully, its clever codec so well-designed that I couldn't tell the quality difference between shots before they were edited and after."

You can read the entire Charlie White review from the top link at this address http://www.cineform.com/news/.

thanks for the reply, David. 30 GB per hour is amazing. But how does the image stand up to being blown up (projected on HD or film)?? And would what format would be needed to edit straight in premiere or after effects (for things Aspect can't do). AVI? Huffyuv? or will premiere and aspect recognize Apects codec - that would be great for storage.

ANd is cineform working on 24p solution as well? I mean, 24p 1080x720 should require less than 30 GB per hour - that's the Panny Varicam!!

<<<-- Originally posted by Josef Crow : thanks for the reply, David. 30 GB per hour is amazing. But how does the image stand up to being blown up (projected on HD or film)??-->>>

We have technology partners using our compression technology for theatre presentation. They say you just can't tell that it has been compressed.

<<-- And would what format would be needed to edit straight in premiere or after effects (for things Aspect can't do). AVI? Huffyuv? or will premiere and aspect recognize Apects codec - that would be great for storage. -->>

Aspect HD codec works in nearly everything on the PC (working on the last few things.) So you can currently import CFHD (the Aspect HD AVI format) straight into After Effects (we are finalizing an exporter version of CFHD for After Effects.)

<<--ANd is cineform working on 24p solution as well? I mean, 24p 1080x720 should require less than 30 GB per hour - that's the Panny Varicam!! -->>>

Yes we are working on 24p and 1920x1080 versions of the technology.

Nice.......I also really want to know about the sound track....Do you have a version encoded for Dolby 5.1? Also did you just use a wav file or did you create that with a Audio sequencer app like Cubase or Logic Audio. I thought some of those instruments sounded a bit like some of the stuff in Reason 2.5...If you did create that from scatch, Many Many props!

Decisions-decisions....Here's my problem: I will be using a dvx100 camera, shooting in either 24p or 24p advanced. That means my options for an NLE are limited. I'm leaning to either Vegas or Avid XPress Pro. It's my understanding that those are the only two NLE's that can handle 24p natively, correct? If that's the case, those are my two high end NLE options.

Hypothetically, if I use Vegas to edit my 24p feature-length production, I want to be able to use software like AE or Combustion for effects or even another fancy effects title, then use an authoring program software.

Two questions:
1) Is it okay to mix and match like that without losing quality in 24p--going from Vegas to AE to ??? I'd be curious how many of you mix and match and What You Use, especially you 24p people???

2) I love the authoring potential of Vegas because of the 5.1 output possibility, but admire the more advanced motion menus, more professional higher-end software. I'm still a little confused--getting mixed messages--about what other authoring software will output to 5.1, using 24p, and without having to purchase another program. What will Vegas give me authoring, specifically, that Encore or ReelDVD won't???


Thank you for your thoughtful replies.
Dale

Final Cut Pro 4 also allows you to edit in 24p.

By feature-length do you mean ~2 hours? (Are you nuts?!)

David,
is there any reason for me to keep the m2t files after i've converted them to CFHD, or can i delete them?
E.

oh yeah... editing with aspect hd is fun as all hell. Can't wait for the on the fly converting of m2t to cfhd though.

<<<-- Originally posted by Erik Rangel : David,
is there any reason for me to keep the m2t files after i've converted them to CFHD, or can i delete them?
E.

oh yeah... editing with aspect hd is fun as all hell. Can't wait for the on the fly converting of m2t to cfhd though. -->>>

Thank you for this quote. :)

You don't need to keep the m2t files around. The real-time convert is being finalized now, it took longer to do the last 10% than we expected, but the time spent in developement was worth it, that feature is extra cool.

Thanks David,
I'm guessing that upgrade will be available for download... to versions that are activated. I haven't activated it yet because I just started editing my short yesterday. (first day trying out aspect hd) doubt i'll need the full thirty day trial before activation. I'd like to activate before pro version comes out so i can get the upgrade. Any guesstimation on when that might be?
E.

oh yeah, go ahead and quote me on your website:)

from EXPERIENCE: when you take sections of clips into another program for EFFECTS work render them out of Vegas as uncompressed avi or uncompressed QT.mov . then work on it in AE/combustion. then render out of AE/combustion as uncompressed. then drop uncompressed clip into Vegas TL ...
AE/combustion cannot use the Vegas Dv codec. so they will default to use msDV codec. msDV codec does not read clips rendered with Vegas codec correctly and Vegas codec does not read clips rendered with msDV codec correctly. BOTH have no problem reading uncompressed correctly... mixing different dv codec's ( canopus, main concepts etc) they all work excellent provided you do NOT mix the rendered clips. once you mix em X codec will not read Y codec clips correctly - artifacts/levels/colors will be off slightly...
working with uncompressed ( 4:4:4 color space) you'll find will give you a little better mask, rotoscoping, color correction, keying etc ( even if original was 4:1:1) ..


" that can handle 24p natively"

that only applys to 24pA .. if you want to get rid of normal pull - i don't think Vegas can do it , i know hi end avids can , combustion , AE can remove normal pull down but this is something you would do after you edit the project ...

Thanks Erik,

The new CFCapture utility will be a free download to all registered users. The Premiere Pro version should be out by the end of the year.

Erik, I always want to ask Aspect HD customers this question: What is the greatest number of layers and effects you applied and still got full real-time will no dropped frames? The companion question is how is your PC configured. (this probably should be in a new thread.)

<<By feature-length do you mean ~2 hours? (Are you nuts?!)>>


In this business I'm either nuts or talented--depends what day of the week you ask me.

Using Vegas 4.0, I find that as my project gets longer, more and more of my audio and music clips show "Peaks not available" on the time line. This makes it quite hard to match up scene transitions to the audio.

Firstly, why does this happen?

And second, how can I selectively force Vegas to rebuild and display the graphic wave form of the audio on the timeline?

Thanks.

When you get that message, is it when you first put the clip on the timeline?

I've had some fairly lengthy and complex audio and it takes a few seconds or even a minute or two to show peaks when I first put the clip on the TL. Once it's been there though, the peaks are always there. Perhaps you need to put your project on the TL in smaller bites OR give the audio a chance to catch up. There is a bar graph in the lower left corner of the screen to show the percentage that's converted.

Don

Thanks Don. Actually, the missing peaks was from long .wav files (full length songs) that have been on the timeline for the past 4 days solid (not still loading into the timeline).

Still not sure why it happens, but I eventually found the solution. Under the "View" menu, at the very bottom is "Rebuild Audio Peaks". I selected this and I once again had graphical peaks in all the audio in my entire project.

Thanks for the help.

Tonight I tried to capture some video with Vegas, exact same set up as I have successfully used for the last 10 months. When I tried it was dropping almost as many frames as capturing. I've checked the obvious (firwire connections) did a reboot and still can't capture. The only thing I have changed since my last capture was added an external maxtor 200GB drive. I unplugged that, but it didn't matter. Also I am still capturing to my internal hard drive so it doesn't seem like the maxtor could be the problem. Any ideas, I am a computer idiot?

I use a 1.8GHz, p4, 1GBRAM with XP.

I'm looking at the Vegas 4 demo and reading the manual, but having a hard time understanding the function of the peaks and normalize features/functions.

One problem I've had with the entry level SW (Studio8) I've been using is that on long projects having native sound, then voiceovers and CD tracks added, the overall sound level becomes inconsistent. Can I easily solve this problem in Vegas? The two minute clip limitation in the demo makes it hard to evaluate this function....

Thanks

Dan,
Sounds like it's worth checking the fragmentation level on the the hard drive. Also, What happens if you capture to the new Maxtor?

I'm just getting into vegas. I bought it a month and half ago but started into it this week. I think i'm getting a handle on it but wading through that manual sure sucks.

I noticed there were tutorials online but they disappeared after sony took over. I'm afraid of getting into a project only to discover that i've gone in the wrong direction. I'm sure once i get my feet wet i'll be OK.

Thanks. I am defragmenting now, hopefully that will solve the problem.

In Vegas 4, I have been able to view .m2t video files I downloaded online. I was wondering how to capture the HD10 MPEG2 video into Vegas 4. Is it possible and how would it be done. I would like to capture and view the 1280x720 HD video in Vegas from the HD10.

Thanks,

Doug

After 5 hours of defraging still can't capture. Looking into reformatting my hard drive or buying a new computer now I guess.

Hello,
Is there a way in Vegas to reverse a clip. for exampe you have a clip of a car driving in reverse, and you wish to make the car look like it is driving forward..
Thanks,
Mike M.

Insert a velocity envelope. Change the "speed" to a negative number. -100% = full speed reverse.

Check the DMA setting. Sounds like it may have gotten turned off some way.

Take a look at the "Beginner's Corner" articles in the Vegas Tips, Tricks and Scripts Newsletter at http://www.jetdv.com/tts

Any individual clip may be normalized but that won't guarantee each of them are at the same volume level.

The volume may be fully controlled by using the Volume Envelope, Track volume, and master volumes. If you want, you can also create busses which also have volume controls. So, yes you can make the volume consistent by using a combination of tool.

Sounds like when you FIRST loaded the file, you cancelled the peak file build. You found the solution - just rebuild them. Pressing F5 will also do this.

Videoguys was kind enough to host the newsletter for me. I was getting so many hits that I nearly exceeded my bandwidth and had to find an alternative. So I appreciated Videoguys being willing to host the PDF files.

Edward, thank you for your input. But I don't know what a DMA setting is. Is that in Vegas or XP?

I am a newbie of vegas 4.0(d)

Question:

In some clips I have discovered tags on the top of the clips (they can be everywhere on the tops) and when the film is coming to this tags the film shaken (or frozen) for a millisecond just there.

What is this tags and how can I delete them?

What does the tags look like? Little triangles cut into the strip? Are they always there, or only when you do ... what?

They look like small trangles, yes, cut into some clips from the top. And in the audio track they are at the same places. And they are always there.

I have edit my 55 minutes film down to 18 minutes.

And now I want to cut some more videoclips.

Everytime I have done so, all other events have come in disorder so that the music no more is in accordance with my videoclips.

I do not understand the manual how to do.

Can somebody explain how I can lock my CD-clip to my video-clip so they don’t move when I delete some other videoclip?

These are marks that indicate that your clip has reached the end and is looped back to the beginning. The framing at the start and end of the clip are slightly different, which is causing this jump. There isn't anything you can do about it except get a longer clip. :)

There are two things to look at here. First, if the clip originally had the same audio, it should be grouped by default. You can see if this is the case by clicking on the video or audio and seeing if the other piece has a blue border around it. If not, use Shift+Click or Ctrl+Click to select all the clips you want to be in the same group. Press "G" to group them. Now the audio and video will stay in sync, as long as ignore event grouping is turned off. (This is the open padlock button on the toolbar.)

Good site for tutorials:
http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_tutorials.asp

And Example files:
http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_files.asp

As mentioned above, Edward's newsletters are also a great place to start.

There, those links work better. :)

So would a religious Vegas user who cannot stand the sight of Premiere have any use for Aspect HD?

Maybe in the future. The technology that drives Aspect HD for Premiere can ported to other editing applications. CineForm is considering Vegas and other NLE for this technology. However, if you want on-line multiple-stream real-time HD editing, Aspect HD with Premiere is today's only solution.

Thanks for the info, David.

At the top there's a button with 2 filmstrips and a arrow (8 from the right). That's the auto ripple button. Ripple is so that when you delete something everything else moves back to fill in the hole of the deleted item. You can set it to either move all tracks back or just one track.

You need to use the capture program that come with the camera.

Here is a thread I started a few weeks ago.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15357

Mike

For another alternative, if that section is DONE, just render it and use the rendered clip instead of the individual pieces.

XP. You need to go to the hard drive controller properties and see if it is using DMA or PIO. If PIO, I guarantee you'll drop frames.

Thanks for the sites.

I've printed the manual and Edward's first 9 newsletters and had them spiral bound. I just have to get to reading them. I spend half of my life on the road, it would be nice to have a life but it's a living

I always worry about how I'll do on anything technical and new. i always make out like a champ, but it's the nature of the beast. When I'm cock sure I fall flat on my face.

If everything else checks, remove all but the necessary peripherals and try it . If it works then install them one at a time until the problem returns.

I had problems with available system resources because of a USB multifunction device. ( HP office jet)

Thanks Edward, you nailed it as usual!!

thanks,
Mike m

The normalize function isn't a good tool for volume increases because if the audio has clipped digitally even once, it won't work at all. You're better off using a compressor function and raising the volume level, although that requires quite a bit of work to
set levels for all of the tracks you're working with.

I really wish these DVD editors had some functions to rate the
audio tracks in 2 levels: short time Peak counter/rater (1/20 second), long time peak counter/rater (1 second) and full track counter/rater.

I captured some 24p (standard) footage and found it played back choppy in the preview window.... 9 fps to be exact (@ full size/best). I thought 24p standard was still 29.97 frames a second...what would cause it to play choppy? I opened up a new project using the 24p template and it seemed to play fine.
?! Any ideas?! ....keeping in mind this is 24p standard.

1. In my film I wish to freeze my last clip. How do I do that?

2. I have a firewall and antivirusprogram. Is it a good thing to shut it down everytime I work in Vegas? (Sometimes I have forget to shut it down but no problem in Vegas.)