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Claire Watson April 7th, 2011 02:58 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
I 'm using Edius 6 myself, but it's little brother Edius Neo 3 has the same excellent support for the 1080p50/60 footage from the TM900. I think Edius is the only NLE that with a decent computer can edit this stuff in real time while showing a full quality preview.

If you haven't tried it there is a fully working trial version available here,

EDIUS Neo 3 | Grass Valley

I only ever use the highest quality mode on the TM900, 50P PAL (or 60P if you are NTSC) and find that an Edius 50P project will let me save my edited movie out as 1920 x 1080/50P MPEG2 progressive. This is perfect for playing on the computer, over a network to a TV, from a USB drive media player to a TV, or for storage.

If I want to put it on Blu-ray disk I use an Edius interlaced project (1080 50i/60i) where each progressive frame becomes a field, so 50P becomes 50i... resolution not as good as original 50/60P but still pretty good and the excellent fluid motion one gets from this camera when recording at it's highest quality mode is preserved.

I suggest you download the trial of Edius Neo, I think you will be surprised...

Walt Stagner April 7th, 2011 08:29 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
I'll check it out. Thanks for the info. This is one I've not tried.

Walt Stagner April 7th, 2011 08:32 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Regarding mics, I've had a Rode STEREO videomic for several years. I use it to record my band. I first used it on a Pana PV-DV953 and now on the TM700. Since the TM900 has the same mount, it would work identically. Cam is so small that the mic makes it topheavy.
I use it on a tripod so that's not an issue for me.

Something physically smaller would be nice to match the size of the cam but I'm not willing to compromise on the sound quality, especially the bass response.

Andy Wilkinson April 8th, 2011 12:14 AM

Panasonic TM900 & Rode Mics
 
I have the Rode Stereo Videomic and the original Videomic too amongst my "collection". I think the SVM is incredible for it's price point, built like a tank (metal, not plastic) but, as you point out, it totally dwarfs the TM700/900 in both size and weight and I would not be comfortable carrying around such a top heavy affair for casual run-n-gun as it's always a bit of a handful on my bigger, heavier Sony HC1. On a tripod or on a rig would be different. Like you, I'll use the SVM in some situations with the TM900 as I love its open sound. [My next stereo mic up is a Sennheisser AT825 (XLR mix) which is also lovely and "open", by the way, but of course is not a mic I can use plugged into a TM900...but works great with my Fostex FR2-LE though.]

So, for a good small mic for the TM900, I've just bought the Rode Videomic Pro, in the hope that its the best match size/weight/performance for such a small, light cam. Sure, the VMP is mono but that's often all I need or want. I often have a Zoom H2 in my pocket for any ambient sound capture when travelling "light".

This thread covers the Rode VMP in detail for those that want more info/sound samples/pictures and tips:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/all-thin...eomic-pro.html

It may even arrive today (with luck) so if it does I'll let you all know what I think!

Walt Stagner April 8th, 2011 07:32 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
I've emailed Rode to see if there's a stereo version of the VMP in the works. If there is, I'm guessing it will have a $349 price tag....similar to what they did with the SVM.

Andy Wilkinson April 8th, 2011 10:27 AM

Panasonic TM900 & Rode Videomic Pro (Pictures & Comments)
 
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Well the VMP arrived at my studio this morning but I've been working all day (with a client present) on some corporate web demo edits so I have only now had a spare hour to look at the new VMP before I head down the pub.

They were not kidding when someone said "you double the weight of the Rode VMP when you put a battery in it" - it really is VERY light and you immediately wonder if it'll withstand the rigors of professional use that the name implies. Worry not I thought, it has a 10 year guarantee (and I already know from personal experience with Rode that they are truly superb at sorting out any rare problems that might occur).

The VMP is almost exactly the same length as the TM900 and the fact that its so light means it should be a perfect match for such a tiny cam.

Next, getting the battery in (and yes I did read the excellent instructions first!). I have to say it was not easy, very fiddly and I thought, who the hell thought this was a good way to design a battery compartment! But once you've done it once, its obvious. It really is. I then re-tried it about 3 or 4 times, just to prove to myself that I could replace a battery in front of a client in a hurry, if I needed to, without looking stupid!!! Should not be necessary as the battery last very long time according to the specs. Some clients might still think I look stupid ;-)

Next those rubber suspension bands - yes they seem to come off all too easily. My oh my - I'll be Supergluing them in place (as I've described I did with my original Rode Videomic on this forum before). That will prevent what will become an annoying frustration for sure!

Then I came to put the Rode Videomic Pro on the TM900s accessory microphone shoe attachment. This is where I was a little surprised (actually disappointed). It would not fit!!!!....not without CONSIDERABLE force (and yes I had fully retracted the shoe tightening screw before I attempted this). So much force that I decide to give up before I had a load of broken plastic in my hands that was once a microphone.

Now I'm a very practical type so the solution was easy. It was obvious from inspection that the Rode VMPs metal shoe was a fraction (and I mean maybe less than 1 mm) too wide to fit into the TM900's metal shoe.

So, I took my brand new £149 Rode Videomic Pro and ran a fine file over both outer side edge surfaces of the Rode VMPs metal shoe to shave off the anodized black covering (and a tiny amount of the metal beneath). All is now well - it fits without any problems, like a dream. Like it should have done out of the box...Now, I have no idea if this is a manufacturing tolerance error with the Rode Videomic Pro's shoe being too wide or the TM900s shoe attachment being too narrow but its a simple solution that took me 1 minute to execute. However, if this is not just a one off, I'm sure it will probably annoy someone (somewhere) that they effectively have to alter a brand new, just out of the box VMP using tools just to be able to use it as intended.

Just had time to switch it on, check it works and take a few snaps of the set-up when I got home - and yes the VMP is still out of shot even on full wide. Phew! When I eventually get my free deadcat that may not be the case but for now all looks good. TM900 displays audio levels nicely in iAuto or Manual so it all looks promising. Sure, as feared, the cable is a bit long so I'll be sorting out the best way to deal with that when I have more play time.

No time for sound tests as it's a lovely evening here and just I'm off down the pub to see some mates!

Pics below to keep you going. More info soon. Cheers!

Andy Wilkinson April 10th, 2011 05:17 AM

Panasonic TM900 - Mic Accessory Shoe (Tip to Remove "Rattle")
 
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Another tip for you all.

I noticed that the TM900 accessory shoe rattles a bit when it's got a mic like the Rode VMP or SVM on it. It's almost as if the metal shoe fitting that it slips down into (on the side of the camera, under the cover) is very slightly too big - and we are talking fractions of a mm here again. It's a beautifully engineered thing but obviously any unnecessary play or noise is not desired so, again, it was a very simple and (at least to me) obvious solution.

I cut a small piece of electricians insulation tape (15mm x 8mm) and stuck it onto the shiny silver metal surface of the accessory shoe. That worked a treat, much reducing the play but it still had a tiny amount. I tried doubling the thickness by placing a second identical piece of tape firmly over the first one but that was obviously way too tight to even slip down into the accessory slot on the TM900's side. Don't force it! So, by trial and error, I found that all I needed was a tiny extra peice of tape (4mm x 8mm) stuck on top of the first piece at the upper end (nearest end to the part that takes the microphone above it). Obviously, tapes come in many different thicknesses but you get the idea.

Now it slips in nice and snuggly, just slightly tightening up as you push it the last few mm into the slot to lock it.

Simple, no more rattle! I'll post a pic shortly. Maybe my TM900 is an odd ball and other Panasonic TM900, TM700 etc. don't have this play with the accessory shoe - but if they do you now know a simple solution!

I'd actually recommend you put the smaller piece of tape UNDER the second longer piece as its more likely to stay in place with much use but I've deliberately pictured it the other way round just so you can see what I'm up to here.

Pic now attached - should be self explanatory.

UPDATE: Been trying out the Rode VMP today (with some family stuff) and I did some "with and without VMP" shots so I could directly compare cam audio to Rode audio on my computer tonight. The difference in audio quality is striking. I suspect I'll rarely use the TM900 without the VMP on it in future!

Mark Rosenzweig April 10th, 2011 11:14 AM

Three more videos
 
Videos from one day in London. Got to use my circular polarizer, which was needed to video the exhibits at the British museum, almost all of which are behind glass. Tricky indoor lighting as well, with mixtures of sunlight and artificial light of different kinds; a workout for manual WB.

Together they have bagpipes, political protests, a soprano, jugglers, videophotographers doing interviews (with quite different equipment); tourists on boats, buses and lions; champagne, a string quintet, mummies, indoor lighting, balloons, living statues in silver and gold, filming a music video.




Bryan Worsley April 10th, 2011 06:14 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Mark,

Thanks alot for posting those clips, and making the mts files available for download on Vimeo. I've been looking for some decent and varied raw footage to scrutinize and it doesnt come any better than these. I'll have a closer look at them later.

Out of interest, did you have the circ polarizer on the camcorder all the time you were inside the British Museum or just when you were shooting objects behind glass.....bearing in mind that you would likely be losing a stop or two even when the polarizer is not 'set up' ? Just trying to get some sense of the 'low-ish light' capability.

Cheers.

Mark Rosenzweig April 11th, 2011 06:34 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
On all the time inside.

Claire Watson April 11th, 2011 09:23 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Mark, as an owner of a TM900 I wanted to say I loved your films. Fascinating on a human interest level as well as technically, I am especially impressed with your excellent exposures while filming outdoors in very bright conditions. The latitude of this camera for coping with highlights is considerably less than with my EX1R and gives me the most trouble when filming natural objects such as found in nature, flowers, fruit, tonal shades, etc.

Yours was so well done!

I note from your Vimeo page for the London film you used "1/60th shutter, auto wb, fixed iris and gain". Since you successfully avoided blown highlights with a camera devoid of any ND buttons, I assume you must be using an external ND filter?

Thanks,

Mark Rosenzweig April 11th, 2011 12:28 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Claire,

Thanks very much. My settings were indeed aimed specifically at eliminating blown highlights; auto aperture (fixed shutter) produces overexposure and zebra stripes all over the frame. I sometimes use an external ND in bright light. But, the TM900 has its own, built-in ND filters and in very bright light when I step down the "aperture" I do not see diffraction. As a result I have stopped using my own ND. You cannot control the internal ND, but it, as in many consumer cams, it kicks in as aperture values increase. BTW, that I am deliberately underexposing to avoid hot spots is seen a bit in the somewhat noisy shadow areas.

Bryan Worsley April 11th, 2011 02:28 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Yeah, I think I would have taken off the polarizer on the long interior shots as you've probably lost a bit of depth. I havent used one myself, but there are circular polarizers specifically designed for interior work - milder effect with around 1 stop reduction.

You probably had more to think about anyway with frequent white balancing - warm fluorescent lighting mixed with window and skylight. Difficult.

In that type of situation what I find helpful is a Tiffen 812 filter. Manual WB off a grey card at a point where daylight mixes with fluorescent (or halogen) lighting, typically propped against a wall near a window or on the floor if there are skylights. Then pop on the 812. Might have to experiment a bit, but it helps to avoid the daylight/shadow blues without overly warming the interiors. Easier said than done though in the moment. I vote that all museums should be painted with studio neutral grey as a mere courtesy.

Ditto on Claire Watsons comments about the outdoor clips. Very nice. Of course in very bright conditions you could put a second polarizer (linear) in front of the circular and use it as a variable ND filter.

Mark Rosenzweig April 11th, 2011 04:01 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Great tips. Thanks.

Bryan Worsley April 11th, 2011 08:18 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Well, as you might have surmised from my last few posts I dont own a TM900 myself....and so arguably have no business posting on this users thread ; )

Actually, I'm trying to decide between a TM900 or Canon HF G10. I nearly went for a TM700 last year, but held off with the promise of further improvement in low light sensitivity/gain-noise suppression in the upcoming 2011 models. Plus, I was a bit put off by the appearance of scaly pixelization-like artifacts particularly on skin tones and most noticably faces. I'd seen this also on HMC-40 footage. I must say that the various head-shots included in your TM900 montage appear to be free from this type of artifact. I'm left wondering if this is as a direct result of improvements in the imaging system or AVC encoding per se, or perhaps your choice of settings. I'd be interested to know if there are any 'TM700-upgraded' TM900 users who could comment on this.

By the way, on the subject of internal ND filters. I dont know for sure what happens in the TM900, but I do know that in the earlier Panasonic GS Series DV Cams (GS400/500 etc), two automatic internal ND filiters operate in conjunction with physical iris movements. The first ND4 filter is activated as the iris shifts from f2.8 to f3.4 and the second ND9 filter activates as the iris shifts from f3.4 to f4.0. The ND filters then step insert up to f8 as the iris is maintained at its f4 position. With both ND filters fully inserted, the iris aperture is then decreased from F8 to F16. In effect, the shifts from fully Open (f1.6 with 0db gain) to f2.8 and from f8 to f16 are mediated purely by physical iris movement. In that way the ND filters operate over an optimal range of physical aperture.

It might be reasonable to speculate that a similar, if not the same mechanism operates in the newer Panasonic AVCHD cams as well.

Edit:.......well this seems to suggest so:

http://www.ianperegian.com/My_FZ35_3...D_Filters.html

Phil Lee April 12th, 2011 12:22 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Hi

Yes I think a similar arrangement of ND filter is in the TM900 from what has been reported, and most if not all camcorders have them.

I've heard people explain it is to keep the lens in the 'sweet spot', but ND filters rather than iris opening and closing also have another although less obvious benefit, the camcorder can adjust exposure without the depth of field shifting due to the iris changing size, which might look rather distracting when the exposure changes during recording.

Regards

Phil

Bryan Worsley April 12th, 2011 06:02 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Yes, that's what I was meaning by 'optimal range of physical aperture', but put less succinctly ;-)

Colin Rowe April 12th, 2011 10:57 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
I Picked up my TM900 on Saturday. I am simply blown away by the quality this little cam can deliver. I have spent a couple of days tweaking it, and have got it pretty close in matching my EX1 in reasonable light conditions. My only, very minor concern, is the over saturation on the EVF. I have fashioned an old Z Finder eyecup, which now fits perfectely over the EVF, it really does cut out all of the extrenious light. I know the cam is recording, subjectively, true colours, its just the over saturation on the EVF that I find a little disconcerting. Of course the only adjustment for the EVF is brightness, or have I missed something in the menu's ??. Hope to get some footage up soon, mixed with EX1 and Nex-5, should be interesting.

Andy Wilkinson April 12th, 2011 04:18 PM

Springtime Sunrise - In Ely (Panasonic TM900 & Canon 7D)
 
My latest film. Shows the capabilities of the TM900 really well I hope. I used my Canon 7D and Canon 100mm Macro IS and Canon 70-200mm IS for the flower shots that top and tail this latest little ditty. The master looks lovely on my big monitors, stunning, razor sharp, but looses a little after YouTube compression...

Like Colin, I'm still blown away by the capabilities of this tiny little TM900 and I think I'm pretty close to matching it well with my Sony EX3 (in good & studio light, in corporate work I'm doing at the moment) - but that cam took a rest for this little film.

The 7D gives a different kind of look and capability, ideally suited for what I used it for in this, I think.

It's great having different tools for different applications. I love 'em all!

YouTube - Springtime Sunrise - In Ely (Panasonic TM900 & Canon 7D)

I hope you enjoy the film. More notes on the YouTube page.

UPDATE: As well as the 2GB file that I uploaded to YouTube last night I've now uploaded a much smaller 1080p .mp4 (at 243MB in size) to Vimeo.


Differences in playback quality between the two sites and files is very interesting (and no, the Vimeo one is not better in all respects...but then it was a much smaller file!). I guess I should get myself a Plus account sometime to remove the 500GB file upload limit and get better 2-pass encoding.

Mark Rosenzweig April 13th, 2011 10:52 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Andy, I enjoyed your photographic eye in this video. But I have some questions about videography. First, it seems to me that most of the video was really a series of static or still shots, like a slide show. There was little subject or even camera movement. I would have thought that the comparative advantage of video is that one gets to see natural movement of subjects and also a "moving eye". The moving sun was effective in this regard, but mostly the video clips have no motion at all.

Relatedly, natural sounds add a great deal to being immersed in a scene; something still photography cannot do. Yet in your video, natural sounds were completely obliterated in favor of music. Music clearly also enhances the expereince, but that can be added to a slide show of still shots too. For example, real meadow sounds while we see a meadow adds a lot. This by the way is where the 7D falls down - it has no good audio at all. Audio is critically important to video.

This is not meant as a criticism, but as a still photographer moving to video I thought about the move precisely in terms of the advantages to the visual (and audio) arts that video brings. These do not seem so apparent here.

Maybe this is not the place for this, but even in terms of showing off a video camera, performance (including sound) when there is action or camera motion is critically important, though clearly not the only factors.

Roger Shealy April 13th, 2011 11:30 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
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Andy,

I'm enjoying my 900 as well, pretty amazing little camera. I'm finding the images very sharp. One area that is taking a little adjustment for me is the Bokeh. I seem to get a "X" diagonal pattern in out-of-focus elements rather than the smooth blur I get with the 7D. Not necessarily bad, just different than what I'm accustomed. You can see some of what I mention in the background of the following picture.

Andy Wilkinson April 13th, 2011 11:59 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Sound. Yep, I hear you! I worked hard on trying to use some of the bird sounds (there are a lot of birds in Cherry Hill that make those trees and the Cathedral their home - as you can see). Truth is I captured sound with my new Rode VMP but (even at 05.50AM) it was ruined by the near constant background traffic noise of people rushing to work (to nearby Cambridge, London and no doubt lots of other places). Years ago I was one of them. Despite appearances of being in an isolated medieval setting, the Cathedral is right in the heart of the (albeit very small) city of Ely. There were also a lot of near constant train noises from the nearby station as well. Ely is one of the busiest small town stations in the whole of England due to the Victorians decision to make it a major junction with trains going to many major cities every few minutes., There is also a lot of to/from European freight traffic too! The air was very still the first hour or so (hence no tree movement for a while either). In such conditions, all this "unwanted sound" can travel for miles and sure enough my Rode picked it all up loud and clear - along with the bird song.

So, in the end, I took the decision just to just "go with the music" for this particular edit.

Static Shots - Yep, I see you! I had quite a few panning shots which I either screwed up (its such a light cam on the Libec TH650 compared to my EX3 on a bigger tripod - still getting used to that!) or I was not happy with the lighting of those few shots regarding the daybreak story, dark stillness to activity and travel type thing I decided to try and show. As we all know, at sunrise (and sunset) the light changes every few seconds and you have to work VERY fast to try and capture the moment. Loads of shots in there I would have liked more time to get better position, better exposure, better composition, better focus etc.

In truth, most of the type of shots I wanted happened within about 30-45 minutes - not even a full Golden Hour - I was short changed! I set myself the challenge to get everything I could in a short period of time on Monday morning and then Monday evening to edit it - and this is it!

I also deliberately wanted to see just how sharp the thing would deliver in the very dim, then soft early morning light (but, unlike my previous TM900 videos, did not call this video a "test" - my mistake I guess). This dictated the type of shots I decided to take - mostly static shots of trees and architecture etc. where I deliberately wanted to avoid any motion blur - as you've noticed Mark!!!! Anyway, I've proved that the cam is amazingly sharp now so normal stuff will soon follow!

I will say, having such a highly portable light cam as the TM900 with its "instant on" function enabled (and my small tripod) really helped my move around the area very fast to try and capture what I saw in a way I would have struggled to do so easily with my EX3 and my big heavier tripod.

I basically squeezed this little short in around a ton of other (paid) work I'm doing (and perhaps should be doing right now!) just to give my brain a break and get to know the cam better!

Mark. I thank you kindly for you comments. I guess I really must be "a pro" at this video malarky as I'm constantly analyzing my previous work seeing things that I should and could have done better, this one included - as soon as I'd uploaded it I thought of lots of changes I would have made....given more time in the shooting and the editing. Anyway, this process is greatly helped by constructive criticism from those willing to spend the time to give it in the true spirit of helping others. And in return I try and share the little things I learn along the way as no doubt some of you have noticed.

Andy Wilkinson April 13th, 2011 12:02 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Shealy (Post 1638490)
Andy,

I'm enjoying my 900 as well, pretty amazing little camera. I'm finding the images very sharp. One area that is taking a little adjustment for me is the Bokeh. I seem to get a "X" diagonal pattern in out-of-focus elements rather than the smooth blur I get with the 7D. Not necessarily bad, just different than what I'm accustomed. You can see some of what I mention in the background of the following picture.

Yep, that's why I went with the 7D and Canon 100mm Macro IS with my flower shots in Springtime Sunrise. You will also see the X pattern (caused by the 4 blades resulting in a simple diamond shaped aperture of the iris on the TM700, TM900 etc. - and most other small camcorders, BTW) in one or two of my "direct at sun through the trees shots". In addition, the small sensors (albeit 3 of them) give the TM900 a much deeper depth of field compared to a larger chip cam like the 7D. It's not a look I like very much, at all, but its not a hugely expensive cam and it's tiny so I guess this is the trade off (or one of them anyway). It's just optical physics.

Maybe a "TM1000" (if one ever comes!) will have a 6 (or ideally 8) blade iris and a bigger 3-chip assembly and give nicer OOF globes, nearer to my lovely Canon 100mm IS Macro.... and still cost under a Grand. We can but dream!

Roger Shealy April 13th, 2011 05:15 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
The 7D and TM900 are definitely different tools with different uses. When I recently published my comparison report between the 7D and TM900 several people felt I was trying to show the TM900 as being superior to the 7D. Actually they both excel in different areas and can work together beautifully if you keep them in their appropriate space.

I shot some footage with the TM900 in full sun this week and it looks really great!

Jason McDonald April 14th, 2011 01:07 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
What export settings are you using for CS4 (If anyone here is using CS4) to make videos Vimeo friendly?

Colin Rowe April 14th, 2011 01:59 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
There is a page on the Vimeo site that covers compression settings using most of the popular NLEs

Tans Mark April 14th, 2011 02:39 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Dear Andy,

Thank you for sharing all these excellent TM900 videos.

I noticed you had used your Canon 7d for filming, too. May I ask you to make a comparsion video of the field of view of Tm900 in wide, also with canon 7d in wide (if you have 17-55 at 17 mm, or 18-55 lens at 18mm), please ?

Thank you.

Colin Rowe April 14th, 2011 02:54 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
How do I activate the Pre Record function, cant find it anywhere in the menu, does something else have to be activated first to allow this to function ?

Andy Wilkinson April 14th, 2011 02:59 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Tans, sorry - bit too busy (with paid work) to do that but as a quick answer I can tell you now that the resolving power of the 7D in video mode leaves a lot to be desired (I have Canon 10-22mm F3.5 EFS and Canon 17-55 F2.8 EFS). You've read and seen many things concerning moire and aliasing on the Canon's I'm sure....

This does not matter for many things (e.g. when I'm using the 7D on my Steadicam Merlin for action shots) but looks horrible in some applications and in some commercial/technical video work I do it means it's actually unusable. The 7D is a very powerful tool for shallow DOF (depth of field) shots and of course the huge array of glass that can be put on it. The much bigger sensor means it's also much better in low light than a TM900. It's also a pretty decent stills cam. You'll have to chop my arms off to get mine ;-)

The TM900 on 35mm is superb, rivals the 1000 lines resolution of my EX3 in good light, no question.

There is no perfect cam HD cam - which is why I now have 4...and I make sure I fully learn what each is good and bad at ...and then use each in it's sweet spot (most of the time!)

Hope this helps. Maybe someone with more time can post something (or link to something already out there - Roger's tests are probably the nearest).

Tans Mark April 14th, 2011 03:17 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Andy,

Thank you for your answer. Actually I have canon 7d and 550d (same sensor), and I am thinking about buying a tm900.

As one of the primary place I would like to use this cam is filming at car shows. As you might know there are maximum 1 or 2 meter distance between the cars, and - if they are parking in several lines - 2-3 meter distance beetween their back.

For example: http://www.naborhome.com/images/car_show_park_jpv5.bmp (not my photo)

Last year I had no problem filming between the cars with 17-55 + Canon 7d, but I am afraid that the 30mm (which is a not a 1.6x crop, right ?) of TM900 will not be wide enough for such filming situations.

Thank you.

Colin Rowe April 14th, 2011 04:11 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin Rowe (Post 1638742)
How do I activate the Pre Record function, cant find it anywhere in the menu, does something else have to be activated first to allow this to function ?

Found it. Should have looked harder

Andy Wilkinson April 14th, 2011 04:51 AM

Panasonic TM900 Pre-Record
 
Page 57-58 of the manual. Accessed by the Up & Down arrows in the side bar menu thing (when you are on the correct bit). Note all things you can accidentally do to disable it (probably why you struggled to find it/get it working Colin!). I've yet to actually use it - 3 seconds is barely long enough (but MUCH better than nothing).

Andy Wilkinson April 14th, 2011 05:24 AM

Panasonic TM900 Wide Angle Adapters
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tans Mark (Post 1638748)
Andy,

....but I am afraid that the 30mm of TM900 will not be wide enough for such filming situations.

Thank you.

OK now I understand what you were asking and why. There are times when 35mm field of view is just not wide enough (for sure on my TM900 - and I can't easily just step back. I think some of the new Sony's go a little wider (high twenties I think). However, I may get the Panasonic wide angle adapter (its about £150) at some point - forgot the code but its on the Panasonic website with the TM900s under accessories. There are other makes but I've read somewhere that the Panasonic one is much better/sharper, better for zoom through etc. and I think I've seen the odd YouTube comparison video with and without one on etc. (may have been a TM700).

Maybe if someone has direct experience with a wide angle adapter on a TM700 or TM900 they could comment on the Pros and Cons of the options?

EDIT: It's the wider aspect one on the left in the attachment below that I was on about (the 0.7x), i.e. 35 x 0.7 = 24.5mm equivalent view. Should be wide enough for my Steadicam work (and the weight will help if my recent tests are anything to go by too).

EDIT 2: Found that video I was thinking of. Its a SD700 with and without the wide angle conversion lens. Hope this helps you Tans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pG7Pihx6go

Not the most exciting video but it does show the difference well!

Colin Rowe April 14th, 2011 05:42 AM

Re: Panasonic TM900 Pre-Record
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Wilkinson (Post 1638759)
Page 57-58 of the manual. Accessed by the Up & Down arrows in the side bar menu thing (when you are on the correct bit). Note all things you can accidentally do to disable it (probably why you struggled to find it/get it working Colin!). I've yet to actually use it - 3 seconds is barely long enough (but MUCH better than nothing).

Thanks Andy, got it. Seems you have to reset it every time you have recorded a clip, would have been much more usefull if it could be left on permanently

Roger Shealy April 14th, 2011 05:59 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tans Mark (Post 1638740)
Dear Andy,

I noticed you had used your Canon 7d for filming, too. May I ask you to make a comparsion video of the field of view of Tm900 in wide, also with canon 7d in wide (if you have 17-55 at 17 mm, or 18-55 lens at 18mm), please ?

Thank you.

Tans,

This isn't exactly what you asked for, but here are some comparisons of the 7D and TM900 in wide and close shots. Please note that the digital zooms in post are very extreme and make both platforms look bad - they are zooming probably 20x or more.


Tans Mark April 14th, 2011 06:05 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Thank you Roger, and thank you Andy.

Jason McDonald April 14th, 2011 07:22 AM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin Rowe (Post 1638729)
There is a page on the Vimeo site that covers compression settings using most of the popular NLEs

From what I found (And I could have read wrong) but Vimeo caps everything at 30 frames per second.

Colin Rowe April 14th, 2011 03:40 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
Thats right, what framerate do you want to use ?????

Jason McDonald April 14th, 2011 06:43 PM

Re: The Panasonic TM900 Users Thread
 
With this cam being 60p I would have liked to export it and have it view that way.

Kirk Candlish April 15th, 2011 12:29 AM

Re: Panasonic TM900 Wide Angle Adapters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Wilkinson (Post 1638767)
Maybe if someone has direct experience with a wide angle adapter on a TM700 or TM900 they could comment on the Pros and Cons of the options?
!

I have the VW-W46507H X0.7 wide angle adapter.

It's quite sharp. Yes it has some obvious distortion until you start to zoom into it but I've never found that to be a problem. Use it carefully and you can work with it quite effectively.

I own a couple of much pricier SONY 0.7 adapters and this is just as good.


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