Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Joe Carney · May 26th, 2005, 07:55 PM

Has anyone used the Black Magic Design board with Vegas 6 yet? If so, how do you like it?

Tony Rockliff · May 26th, 2005, 09:34 PM

I've scoured the manual but cannot find any key-command or other way to jump to the next marker. Is there one?

Thanks,

Tony

Dennis Vogel · May 26th, 2005, 09:36 PM

FWIW, I have Acid Pro 5 and I installed Vegas 6 with no problems.

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff · May 26th, 2005, 09:38 PM

The Eqium plug-in does this beautifully without degrading your sound.

http://www.elementalaudio.com/products/eqium/index.html

I used it on some acoustic guitar tracks that had ground hum and it completely removed it. It has presets just for this that notch out the 60hz and up to 7 ever-decreasing harmonics above it.

Tony

Dennis Vogel · May 26th, 2005, 09:49 PM

Control-left arrow, Control-right arrow. If no markers are set it goes to start of track and end of track.

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff · May 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM

Thanks very much!

Don Meers · May 26th, 2005, 11:51 PM

I know this is a dumb question but Vegas defaults to a progressive timeline setting.If I want to keep my timeline interlaced what are the propre settings.upper field first?

Edward Troxel · May 27th, 2005, 07:20 AM

DV is lower field first.

To change your settings, go to file - properties, change the settings as desired, and check the box thats says "start all new projects with these settings".

James Connors · May 27th, 2005, 07:54 AM

I NEVER encode in vegas. I render to a PAL DV file, then do ALL my transcoding work in Canopus Procoder. Means I have a full resolution/bitrate original I can always work with again, and also IMO Procoder handles encoding better than Vegas (or any other mid priced NLE for that matter.)

If I want something to look its very best, then undoubtedly it goes to CCE SP.

DJ Kinney · May 27th, 2005, 08:20 AM

I have found that the cleanest way to get the coveted 24p look with a 30p camera is to slow the clip by 80%. Whether or not this will allow me to break into Hollywood is still up in the air ;-)

But I do like the look a little more than 30p, and it is more easily converted to film and all that. So for clips without much talking (as the talking will become distorted) I slow the vid down through the properties menu and the playback speed option by 80%.

Now, one would think that by slowing the audio down by 80% (in Sound Forge it is a "120% length increase") it would end up the same length. But not even close. It has to be lengthened by 124.88%, a seemi8ngly arbitrary number.

1) Can someone tell me why this is, and

2) is there a better way to do this within the confines of Vegas 6 without the mess?

In the end, it never syncs perfectly, but it always ends up within a frame or two.

Thanks for your help,

DJ Kinney
djkinney@gmail.com

Cam: Canon GL2
Software: Sony Vegas 6
Ship: Leviathan

David Ennis · May 27th, 2005, 10:47 AM

The hum is no doubt 60 Hz or 120 Hz. Typical sound programs offer menu-selectable "notch filters" to remove those frequencies without removing other sound content. I have found the one in Cool Edit to be 100% effective. If you have to set up your own filters, set them for removal 59-61 Hz and 119-121 Hz.

Dan Keaton · May 27th, 2005, 12:23 PM

When I upgraded from Vegas 4.0 to Vegas 6.0 I could not get the ShuttlePro to work with Vegas 6.0. The ShuttlePro would not work with 6.0(a) or 6.0(b).

I thought I was using the latest ShuttlePro driver, but I was not. I had downloaded the latest driver from www.contourav.com, but this is not the correct site to obtain the proper driver for Vegas 6.0.

It turns out that the proper driver is 2.6.4 which is available from www.contourdesign.com.

I understand from the Sony forum that there is a separate issue with using the ShuttlePro with the capture utility, but I have not attempted to address that issue as I only use the ShuttlePro within the main portion of Vegas.

Steve House · May 27th, 2005, 12:34 PM

Remember the name of the target executable for Vegas changed with the version change and the target application in the ShuttlePro settings file must be updated to point to the new filename.

Dan Peterson · May 27th, 2005, 12:57 PM

Well, if you're going to use Procoder, you can save yourself a rendering step by frameserving out of Vegas using Satish's free frameserver app (debugmode.com).
It's as if you're rendering straight from the Vegas timeline, but using Procoder.

Matt Ockenfels · May 27th, 2005, 01:28 PM

Hi,

30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Is the 30 FPS drop frame or non-drop frame? This may be the difference.

In drop frame video, Every frame :00 & :01 are dropped for each minute change except for minutes with 0’s (00:, 10:, 20:, 30:, 40: & 50:)

That being the case, there will be less than 30 frames per second if your clip is long enough! This can account for the % number from Sound Forge.

I believe you can stretch a clip in Vegas and maintain original sound pitch. If you want to do the entire piece that way, set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 28.97

Cheers,

-Matt

May 26th, 2005, 07:55 PM	#1681
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	BMD board Has anyone used the Black Magic Design board with Vegas 6 yet? If so, how do you like it?

May 26th, 2005, 09:34 PM	#1682
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	How to jump to next marker? I've scoured the manual but cannot find any key-command or other way to jump to the next marker. Is there one? Thanks, Tony

May 26th, 2005, 09:38 PM	#1684
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	The Eqium plug-in does this beautifully without degrading your sound. http://www.elementalaudio.com/products/eqium/index.html I used it on some acoustic guitar tracks that had ground hum and it completely removed it. It has presets just for this that notch out the 60hz and up to 7 ever-decreasing harmonics above it. Tony Last edited by Tony Rockliff; May 27th, 2005 at 10:52 AM.

May 27th, 2005, 07:20 AM	#1688
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	DV is lower field first. To change your settings, go to file - properties, change the settings as desired, and check the box thats says "start all new projects with these settings". __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 27th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#1690
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	Best way to re-sync sound after slow-mo? I have found that the cleanest way to get the coveted 24p look with a 30p camera is to slow the clip by 80%. Whether or not this will allow me to break into Hollywood is still up in the air ;-) But I do like the look a little more than 30p, and it is more easily converted to film and all that. So for clips without much talking (as the talking will become distorted) I slow the vid down through the properties menu and the playback speed option by 80%. Now, one would think that by slowing the audio down by 80% (in Sound Forge it is a "120% length increase") it would end up the same length. But not even close. It has to be lengthened by 124.88%, a seemi8ngly arbitrary number. 1) Can someone tell me why this is, and 2) is there a better way to do this within the confines of Vegas 6 without the mess? In the end, it never syncs perfectly, but it always ends up within a frame or two. Thanks for your help, DJ Kinney djkinney@gmail.com Cam: Canon GL2 Software: Sony Vegas 6 Ship: Leviathan

May 26th, 2005, 09:36 PM	#1683
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	FWIW, I have Acid Pro 5 and I installed Vegas 6 with no problems. Good luck. Dennis

May 26th, 2005, 09:49 PM	#1685
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	Control-left arrow, Control-right arrow. If no markers are set it goes to start of track and end of track. Good luck. Dennis

May 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM	#1686
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	Thanks very much!

May 26th, 2005, 11:51 PM	#1687
Don Meers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 63	I know this is a dumb question but Vegas defaults to a progressive timeline setting.If I want to keep my timeline interlaced what are the propre settings.upper field first?

May 27th, 2005, 07:54 AM	#1689
James Connors Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 223	I NEVER encode in vegas. I render to a PAL DV file, then do ALL my transcoding work in Canopus Procoder. Means I have a full resolution/bitrate original I can always work with again, and also IMO Procoder handles encoding better than Vegas (or any other mid priced NLE for that matter.) If I want something to look its very best, then undoubtedly it goes to CCE SP.

May 27th, 2005, 10:47 AM	#1691
David Ennis Fred Retread Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 1,227	The hum is no doubt 60 Hz or 120 Hz. Typical sound programs offer menu-selectable "notch filters" to remove those frequencies without removing other sound content. I have found the one in Cool Edit to be 100% effective. If you have to set up your own filters, set them for removal 59-61 Hz and 119-121 Hz. __________________ "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence..." - Calvin Coolidge "My brain is wired to want to know how other things are wired." - Me

May 27th, 2005, 12:23 PM	#1692
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Using ShuttlePro with Vegas 6.0 When I upgraded from Vegas 4.0 to Vegas 6.0 I could not get the ShuttlePro to work with Vegas 6.0. The ShuttlePro would not work with 6.0(a) or 6.0(b). I thought I was using the latest ShuttlePro driver, but I was not. I had downloaded the latest driver from www.contourav.com, but this is not the correct site to obtain the proper driver for Vegas 6.0. It turns out that the proper driver is 2.6.4 which is available from www.contourdesign.com. I understand from the Sony forum that there is a separate issue with using the ShuttlePro with the capture utility, but I have not attempted to address that issue as I only use the ShuttlePro within the main portion of Vegas. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

May 27th, 2005, 12:34 PM	#1693
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Remember the name of the target executable for Vegas changed with the version change and the target application in the ShuttlePro settings file must be updated to point to the new filename.

May 27th, 2005, 12:57 PM	#1694
Dan Peterson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lake County, IL Posts: 59	Well, if you're going to use Procoder, you can save yourself a rendering step by frameserving out of Vegas using Satish's free frameserver app (debugmode.com). It's as if you're rendering straight from the Vegas timeline, but using Procoder.

May 27th, 2005, 01:28 PM	#1695
Matt Ockenfels Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 62	Hi, 30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however, Is the 30 FPS drop frame or non-drop frame? This may be the difference. In drop frame video, Every frame :00 & :01 are dropped for each minute change except for minutes with 0’s (00:, 10:, 20:, 30:, 40: & 50:) That being the case, there will be less than 30 frames per second if your clip is long enough! This can account for the % number from Sound Forge. I believe you can stretch a clip in Vegas and maintain original sound pitch. If you want to do the entire piece that way, set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 28.97 Cheers, -Matt __________________ Matt Ockenfels a pixel a day keeps boredom at bay