Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glen Elliott · June 11th, 2003, 09:10 PM

Garret, are you working with PS7.0? What's your workflow for creating titles? Do you start with the NTSC DV (720x540) Template then resize to 720x480 before importing to avoid any stretch?
Also how do you layer it...just keep your text and effects (drop shadow, etc) on it's own layer by it'self surrounded by transparancy? Also, how do you line it up correctly- if you import a title and find it's off by a few inches (pixels) can you adjust it on the fly using "pan/crop" (I'm a Vegas newb)? Lastly- when you import a text graphic from Photoshop into Vegas is there rendering required?

Joe Camerlinck · June 11th, 2003, 10:35 PM

Hi Edward,

just wondering what's taking so long w/ my order? I ordered the online version to be emailed to me and I havn't heard anything yet. Please get back with me.

Thanks,

Joe

Edward Troxel · June 12th, 2003, 07:16 AM

Joe,

Contact Gary directly here:

VegasEditing@aol.com

Glen Elliott · June 12th, 2003, 07:31 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Alex Knappenberger : Edward, does this add-on make the velocity stuff easier to use? You mentioned something about the velocity... Hopefully you know what I am talking about, Vegas gets screwy when you change the speed and try to slice it and stuff... -->>>

Alex, define "screwy"...do you mean it's starts to malfuntion and act funny similar to many scenarios I encounter in Premiere?! Please tell me know, I'm switching from Premiere to avoid that very thing!
...or is it like Ed explained, when reversing a clip you have to look at it as if it's not reversed when you trip (i.e, if you need to trim the end of the reversed clip you have to take it from the left of the clip...etc). Is that the "screwy'ness" you were speaking of?
I'm just concerned because that was one of the specific areas that Premiere seemed to act buggy- when you change clip speeds and start splicing them up and copying and pasting back to back, etc etc. In other words if you try to get overly creative with footage Premiere tends to crap out on you. lol

Edward Troxel · June 12th, 2003, 07:42 AM

I have been able to duplicate a problem with the following:

1. Add a velocity envelope
2. Add a new node and slow it down
3. Add a new node and speed it up
4. Add a new node and slow it down
5. Add a new node and speed it up
6. Add a new node and slow it down

You now have several nodes across time adjusting the speed.

7. Pick a point after the last node and SPLIT.

Here is the problem: The frame AFTER the split is NOT the frame AFTER the frame BEFORE the split!

As for Excalibur, it will simply change the velocity for the entire clip and then resize the clip to fit that new velocity. It also includes an option for freeze frame.

Dan Measel · June 12th, 2003, 09:11 PM

I have used layers with the Elements 2.0 program, they must have cut something else out. I guess I can check the Adobe site for tutorials on text graphics unless you know of a better link to find one.

Dan Measel · June 12th, 2003, 09:17 PM

Glen,

When I use layers to create buttons for a DVD project I save an image from my video clip from Vegas as a jpeg and import it into my PS Elements. I use that as a background and then do the text on top of it as layers, then delete the background Vegas jpeg before saving. That way it's in the exact position I want it. I don't know if that answers part of your question or not.

Albert Rodgers · June 13th, 2003, 12:56 AM

Thanks guys (Big thanks to Rob)

I appreciate all your help. After reviewing the .veg sent by Rob, I began experimenting with my wedding title. The spark affect using the light ray and lens flare looks nice, but is not at the quality I would like it. I will continue to play with it for a little while longer. If I am not satisfied, I will resolve to the simpler, yet nice title.

This has been a learning experience.

Gary Bettan · June 13th, 2003, 11:06 AM

We just got official word about this great upgrade program. Owners of compettive editing prodcuts can save $100 on Vegas4!!

The Vegas competitive upgrade is an easy and affordable way to switch from your current video and audio production software to the award-winning Vegas 4.0 and Vegas+DVD. Eligible Competitive Products Include:

Adobe® Premiere®
Apple Final Cut Pro
Pinnacle Edition
Ulead MediaStudio Pro
Avid XPress DV
Aist Movie DV
Media 100 Media Cleaner Pro
Emagic Logic
Cakewalk Pro Audio/Home Studio

Vegas 4+DVD step-up $499.95 (reg sale price $599.95)
Vegas 4 step-up $299.95 (reg sale price $399.95)

To receive special pricing, users of competing products must show proof of ownership by providing a screenshot graphic of their current application's Help/About box or a copy of the first page of the users manual & serial number. You can fax this in to us 516 671-3092.

Vegas 4 is a very stable and productive editing environment. It's got a great core of users who are constantly helping eachother out. The WWUG & COW Vegas forums are very active. Several members have taken it upon themselves to publish tips and useful downloads.

For more info on Vegas4, the compettive upgrade program and the Vegas + DVD - Tips, Tricks, & Scripts Newsletter http://www.videoguys.com/vegasvideo.html

Gary

Glen Elliott · June 13th, 2003, 01:16 PM

Don't mean to burst your bubble but B&H already sells Vegas+DVD for $499 without a "discount".

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh4/con...=274500&is=REG

Gary Bettan · June 13th, 2003, 01:33 PM

Interesting. We had that pricing for the first month or so after Vegas4 shipped, then it got pulled. I guess B&H must still have some inventory left from that original deal.

No matter how you cut it, at $499.95 Vegas+DVD is one hackuva good deal.

Gary

Glen Elliott · June 13th, 2003, 01:58 PM

Agreed, thanks for the heads up!

Glen Elliott · June 18th, 2003, 07:14 AM

Just getting into learning Vegas- so far I absolutly love it. Granted it's a cosiderably different from the Premiere workflow, however much more robust.

My question is with the Pan/Crop tool. Actually two questions:

1.Why does footage look squashed (stretched vertically) and images/photos look fine in the Pan/Crop dialogue box? Is it because the footage is rectangular pixels and graphics/photos being square match the square pixel aspect of the computer monitor? I'm asking because the distortion seems pretty drastic- I know the rectangular to square pixel thing can change the aspect ratio of the image but not to the degree it's exibiting in the pan crop tool.

2. When I'm shinking the box (ie zooming in on the viewable area of the image/footage) sometimes I get letterboxing either vertically or horizonally. It's only at certian sizes though. I can aleviate this by unchecking preserve aspect ratio and moving the edges ever so slightly till the black bars are removed. Does anyone know why I'm getting this when preserve aspect ratio is on and I'm making sure my selection box isn't going outside the image/footage itself?!

Edward Troxel · June 18th, 2003, 09:04 AM

1. Either should look fine. Pan/Crop should use the proper aspect depending on the source.

2. When using images (scanned pictures...) the FIRST step is to right-click the "F" window and choose "Match Output Aspect". This will solve all of the "letterboxing" problems.

Glen Elliott · June 18th, 2003, 09:26 AM

Ed,

1.I noticed this even in the Class on Demand DVD (disc 2) when he was using the pan/crop tool on the footage of the toy Viper. The photos from the wedding looked fine but the footage of the viper looked squashed. I'm encountering the same thing. Granted it looks fine on the preview monitor but my view of it in the pan/crop box is odd.

2. Right clicking and choosing "match aspect ratio" was the first thing I did. I still find I get these bars when shrinking the viewable window considerably. I believe I saw similar bars in some of the Class on Demand video as well when Douglas did the zoom into the toy vipers wheel (I'm not sure I'll have to go back and look). This was seen all the while having "match aspect ratio" right clicked and selected.

Any ideas?

June 13th, 2003, 12:56 AM	#383
Albert Rodgers Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ypsilanti, MI Posts: 87	Thanks guys (Big thanks to Rob) I appreciate all your help. After reviewing the .veg sent by Rob, I began experimenting with my wedding title. The spark affect using the light ray and lens flare looks nice, but is not at the quality I would like it. I will continue to play with it for a little while longer. If I am not satisfied, I will resolve to the simpler, yet nice title. This has been a learning experience. __________________ Jack-of-all-trades trying to master one (Videography) www.sdfvideo.com

June 13th, 2003, 11:06 AM	#384
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	Vegas4 Compettive Upgrade program!! We just got official word about this great upgrade program. Owners of compettive editing prodcuts can save $100 on Vegas4!! The Vegas competitive upgrade is an easy and affordable way to switch from your current video and audio production software to the award-winning Vegas 4.0 and Vegas+DVD. Eligible Competitive Products Include: Adobe® Premiere® Apple Final Cut Pro Pinnacle Edition Ulead MediaStudio Pro Avid XPress DV Aist Movie DV Media 100 Media Cleaner Pro Emagic Logic Cakewalk Pro Audio/Home Studio Vegas 4+DVD step-up $499.95 (reg sale price $599.95) Vegas 4 step-up $299.95 (reg sale price $399.95) To receive special pricing, users of competing products must show proof of ownership by providing a screenshot graphic of their current application's Help/About box or a copy of the first page of the users manual & serial number. You can fax this in to us 516 671-3092. Vegas 4 is a very stable and productive editing environment. It's got a great core of users who are constantly helping eachother out. The WWUG & COW Vegas forums are very active. Several members have taken it upon themselves to publish tips and useful downloads. For more info on Vegas4, the compettive upgrade program and the Vegas + DVD - Tips, Tricks, & Scripts Newsletter http://www.videoguys.com/vegasvideo.html Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

June 13th, 2003, 01:33 PM	#386
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	Interesting. We had that pricing for the first month or so after Vegas4 shipped, then it got pulled. I guess B&H must still have some inventory left from that original deal. No matter how you cut it, at $499.95 Vegas+DVD is one hackuva good deal. Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

June 18th, 2003, 07:14 AM	#388
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Vegas Pan/Crop tool? Just getting into learning Vegas- so far I absolutly love it. Granted it's a cosiderably different from the Premiere workflow, however much more robust. My question is with the Pan/Crop tool. Actually two questions: 1.Why does footage look squashed (stretched vertically) and images/photos look fine in the Pan/Crop dialogue box? Is it because the footage is rectangular pixels and graphics/photos being square match the square pixel aspect of the computer monitor? I'm asking because the distortion seems pretty drastic- I know the rectangular to square pixel thing can change the aspect ratio of the image but not to the degree it's exibiting in the pan crop tool. 2. When I'm shinking the box (ie zooming in on the viewable area of the image/footage) sometimes I get letterboxing either vertically or horizonally. It's only at certian sizes though. I can aleviate this by unchecking preserve aspect ratio and moving the edges ever so slightly till the black bars are removed. Does anyone know why I'm getting this when preserve aspect ratio is on and I'm making sure my selection box isn't going outside the image/footage itself?!

June 11th, 2003, 09:10 PM	#376
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Garret, are you working with PS7.0? What's your workflow for creating titles? Do you start with the NTSC DV (720x540) Template then resize to 720x480 before importing to avoid any stretch? Also how do you layer it...just keep your text and effects (drop shadow, etc) on it's own layer by it'self surrounded by transparancy? Also, how do you line it up correctly- if you import a title and find it's off by a few inches (pixels) can you adjust it on the fly using "pan/crop" (I'm a Vegas newb)? Lastly- when you import a text graphic from Photoshop into Vegas is there rendering required?

June 11th, 2003, 10:35 PM	#377
Joe Camerlinck New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 8	Hi Edward, just wondering what's taking so long w/ my order? I ordered the online version to be emailed to me and I havn't heard anything yet. Please get back with me. Thanks, Joe

June 12th, 2003, 07:16 AM	#378
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Joe, Contact Gary directly here: VegasEditing@aol.com

June 12th, 2003, 07:31 AM	#379
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Alex Knappenberger : Edward, does this add-on make the velocity stuff easier to use? You mentioned something about the velocity... Hopefully you know what I am talking about, Vegas gets screwy when you change the speed and try to slice it and stuff... -->>> Alex, define "screwy"...do you mean it's starts to malfuntion and act funny similar to many scenarios I encounter in Premiere?! Please tell me know, I'm switching from Premiere to avoid that very thing! ...or is it like Ed explained, when reversing a clip you have to look at it as if it's not reversed when you trip (i.e, if you need to trim the end of the reversed clip you have to take it from the left of the clip...etc). Is that the "screwy'ness" you were speaking of? I'm just concerned because that was one of the specific areas that Premiere seemed to act buggy- when you change clip speeds and start splicing them up and copying and pasting back to back, etc etc. In other words if you try to get overly creative with footage Premiere tends to crap out on you. lol

June 12th, 2003, 07:42 AM	#380
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I have been able to duplicate a problem with the following: 1. Add a velocity envelope 2. Add a new node and slow it down 3. Add a new node and speed it up 4. Add a new node and slow it down 5. Add a new node and speed it up 6. Add a new node and slow it down You now have several nodes across time adjusting the speed. 7. Pick a point after the last node and SPLIT. Here is the problem: The frame AFTER the split is NOT the frame AFTER the frame BEFORE the split! As for Excalibur, it will simply change the velocity for the entire clip and then resize the clip to fit that new velocity. It also includes an option for freeze frame.

June 12th, 2003, 09:11 PM	#381
Dan Measel Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 196	I have used layers with the Elements 2.0 program, they must have cut something else out. I guess I can check the Adobe site for tutorials on text graphics unless you know of a better link to find one.

June 12th, 2003, 09:17 PM	#382
Dan Measel Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 196	Glen, When I use layers to create buttons for a DVD project I save an image from my video clip from Vegas as a jpeg and import it into my PS Elements. I use that as a background and then do the text on top of it as layers, then delete the background Vegas jpeg before saving. That way it's in the exact position I want it. I don't know if that answers part of your question or not.

June 13th, 2003, 01:16 PM	#385
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Don't mean to burst your bubble but B&H already sells Vegas+DVD for $499 without a "discount". http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh4/con...=274500&is=REG

June 13th, 2003, 01:58 PM	#387
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Agreed, thanks for the heads up!

June 18th, 2003, 09:04 AM	#389
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	1. Either should look fine. Pan/Crop should use the proper aspect depending on the source. 2. When using images (scanned pictures...) the FIRST step is to right-click the "F" window and choose "Match Output Aspect". This will solve all of the "letterboxing" problems.

June 18th, 2003, 09:26 AM	#390
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Ed, 1.I noticed this even in the Class on Demand DVD (disc 2) when he was using the pan/crop tool on the footage of the toy Viper. The photos from the wedding looked fine but the footage of the viper looked squashed. I'm encountering the same thing. Granted it looks fine on the preview monitor but my view of it in the pan/crop box is odd. 2. Right clicking and choosing "match aspect ratio" was the first thing I did. I still find I get these bars when shrinking the viewable window considerably. I believe I saw similar bars in some of the Class on Demand video as well when Douglas did the zoom into the toy vipers wheel (I'm not sure I'll have to go back and look). This was seen all the while having "match aspect ratio" right clicked and selected. Any ideas?