Show Your Work 2003

Mark Moore · June 2nd, 2003, 05:57 PM

Rob (or anyone) - I have to shoot some welding this weekend. What type of filter should I use with a GL1 (and GL2)? The artist also has a huge "red screen" that I'm going to get some footage through - just to see how it looks!

But I just need to know which filter (or combo of filters) will best protect the cam. Is any length of time "too long" in terms of camera safety? If I shoot 1/60, by adding filters, do I open it up/take the speed down more?

My inexperience showing! Thanks.

Rob Lohman · June 4th, 2003, 01:11 PM

I have no experience with such welding activity but I suggest
you stack as much ND's on there as possible. Also protect your
eyes (more important!).

If you are referring to the color "red": red is one of the most
difficult things to reproduce in a camera and most camera's don't
do it well therefor. Try before you are really gonna shoot with
red! I'm avoiding it with my XL1s.

Mark Moore · June 4th, 2003, 03:54 PM

Thanks for the reply, Rob. I'll do just that!

As for the red - it's a huge red, transparent "shield" that hangs from the ceiling of his studio. It may (or may not) make a good effect, but I'll try it none-the-less!

Thanks again.

Nori Wentworth · June 6th, 2003, 02:57 PM

Secret of the Hanged man part 3 is the feature of the week!

Impressions

My XL1 worked perfectly at -20 Celcius. I however did not!

Keith Loh · June 6th, 2003, 03:29 PM

Overall: good.

Positives:
- I liked the desaturated look. Fit the starkness of the piece.
- direction was good. You mixed up the 'stalker' footage enough to make the length not seem so long. Your 'steadi footage' was fine. The editing and shot choices were good except where I note below. I'm impressed by the woodfootage.
- I liked the POV shot staring at the guy in the clearing and then it broke off to go deep into the forest. It's the shot right before the guy is led back to his own box.
- I like the FX parts. They were minimal but effective.
- good music

Negatives (or stuff I didn't quite appreciate):
- I think it was slightly too long for the payoff.
- you should have had a closer shot for the noose inside the box.
- more shots of the face of the masked dude. Just two or three close shots on the face to personalize the guy would have made more of a connection to the viewer.
- I'm not sure about the context but you had the gas mask to give the impression of a post-apocalyptic environment? I think the gas mask is a bit of a cliche unless you spend more time on making the mask different. Having the guy take it off for a moment with a closeup shop would also help connect him with the audience.
- didn't like the guy's 'realization' performance at the end. To tell you the truth, I don't get the payoff. I guess that would help me appreciate the length more too.
- the footprints weren't really needed. I know he had to follow something but the big black round footprints looked silly.
- that pan where the guy realizes he's been led back to his box is jerky. You probably could have used a better shot there.

Nori Wentworth · June 6th, 2003, 03:43 PM

Thanks for the feedback Kieth.

As I mentioned before, it was part 3.

Part 1 was the feature of the week a couple months back.
If you have time, give it a view. It will explain everything you need to know about the hanged man.

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.doi...LTER_KEY=19878

I agree with you on the footprints, but the director insisted on using them.

-Nori

Nori Wentworth · June 6th, 2003, 03:45 PM

OOPS!

Looks like Zed removed the previous link... I guess you will never know the secret of the hanged man.

The prolugue is still there though.

The Secret of the Hanged Man

-Nori

Dylan Couper · June 6th, 2003, 04:09 PM

I liked the camerawork, the editing, and the music. It went on too long though. Somewhere around the middle I lost interest and started watching Jenny Jones, but I came back for the finish. Agreeing with Keith, it was too long for the payoff, but I also haven't seen the other episodes.

PS. How does someone hang himself inside that little box???

Nori Wentworth · June 6th, 2003, 04:30 PM

<<PS. How does someone hang himself inside that little box???>>
They watch Jenny Jones and force themselves to choke...

Keith Loh · June 6th, 2003, 04:33 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Nori Wentworth : OOPS!

The prolugue is still there though.

http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?...LTER_KEY=19878 -->>>

I liked the first one for the combination of styles and video effects. I think it is extremely effective use, technically, of DV and the various ways you can affect video. Well done technically. It reminds me of Hideo Nakata (Ringu). I think, creatively and thematically, all the elements could be overdone, though. You have to tread a fine line between oversaturation of all the 'crazy stuff'. Less would be more.

Ken Snow · June 6th, 2003, 10:22 PM

If you don't mind feedback from a novice, then my favorite aspect of the short was the sound. The sound was great, went well with the movie, and I think it was very effective. You must have spent a lot of time concentrating on that. It seemed that a few edits could have been shortened by a few frames, I noticed this when the stalking camera would approach the bulkhead or actor. I don't really have an opinion on anything else, so I'll finish by saying I admire the work, and would be extremely happy if I ever could make something of such quality!

Andres Lucero · June 12th, 2003, 07:58 PM

According to someone on the Fox Searchlight forum, Danny Boyle's new film 28 Days Later was shot on a Canon XL1s. Has anyone heard/read anything confirming this? I haven't seen the movie yet, but the trailer is online and the photography looks amazing (even more so if it was actually shot on MiniDV).

Charles King · June 12th, 2003, 08:26 PM

It's old news on this forum Andreas. There is a post dedicated to this very topic. Type in 28 days in the search window and it will show up.

Dylan Couper · June 13th, 2003, 12:36 AM

It's true, it's true!

Great movie, saw it a few months ago. Check out the old thread.

Dylan Couper · June 14th, 2003, 09:32 AM

Here's a trailer for one of the paintball videos I've done recently.
http://www.badlandspaintball.com/hom...p2k3movie.html
I know the quality of the clip sucks, sorry in advance.

June 2nd, 2003, 05:57 PM	#256
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Rob (or anyone) - I have to shoot some welding this weekend. What type of filter should I use with a GL1 (and GL2)? The artist also has a huge "red screen" that I'm going to get some footage through - just to see how it looks! But I just need to know which filter (or combo of filters) will best protect the cam. Is any length of time "too long" in terms of camera safety? If I shoot 1/60, by adding filters, do I open it up/take the speed down more? My inexperience showing! Thanks. __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 4th, 2003, 01:11 PM	#257
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I have no experience with such welding activity but I suggest you stack as much ND's on there as possible. Also protect your eyes (more important!). If you are referring to the color "red": red is one of the most difficult things to reproduce in a camera and most camera's don't do it well therefor. Try before you are really gonna shoot with red! I'm avoiding it with my XL1s. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 4th, 2003, 03:54 PM	#258
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Thanks for the reply, Rob. I'll do just that! As for the red - it's a huge red, transparent "shield" that hangs from the ceiling of his studio. It may (or may not) make a good effect, but I'll try it none-the-less! Thanks again. __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 6th, 2003, 02:57 PM	#259
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	Check this out! Secret of the Hanged man part 3 is the feature of the week! Impressions My XL1 worked perfectly at -20 Celcius. I however did not!

June 6th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#260
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Good work Overall: good. Positives: - I liked the desaturated look. Fit the starkness of the piece. - direction was good. You mixed up the 'stalker' footage enough to make the length not seem so long. Your 'steadi footage' was fine. The editing and shot choices were good except where I note below. I'm impressed by the woodfootage. - I liked the POV shot staring at the guy in the clearing and then it broke off to go deep into the forest. It's the shot right before the guy is led back to his own box. - I like the FX parts. They were minimal but effective. - good music Negatives (or stuff I didn't quite appreciate): - I think it was slightly too long for the payoff. - you should have had a closer shot for the noose inside the box. - more shots of the face of the masked dude. Just two or three close shots on the face to personalize the guy would have made more of a connection to the viewer. - I'm not sure about the context but you had the gas mask to give the impression of a post-apocalyptic environment? I think the gas mask is a bit of a cliche unless you spend more time on making the mask different. Having the guy take it off for a moment with a closeup shop would also help connect him with the audience. - didn't like the guy's 'realization' performance at the end. To tell you the truth, I don't get the payoff. I guess that would help me appreciate the length more too. - the footprints weren't really needed. I know he had to follow something but the big black round footprints looked silly. - that pan where the guy realizes he's been led back to his box is jerky. You probably could have used a better shot there. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

June 6th, 2003, 03:43 PM	#261
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	Thanks for the feedback Kieth. As I mentioned before, it was part 3. Part 1 was the feature of the week a couple months back. If you have time, give it a view. It will explain everything you need to know about the hanged man. http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.doi...LTER_KEY=19878 I agree with you on the footprints, but the director insisted on using them. -Nori

June 6th, 2003, 03:45 PM	#262
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	OOPS! Looks like Zed removed the previous link... I guess you will never know the secret of the hanged man. The prolugue is still there though. The Secret of the Hanged Man -Nori

June 6th, 2003, 04:09 PM	#263
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I liked the camerawork, the editing, and the music. It went on too long though. Somewhere around the middle I lost interest and started watching Jenny Jones, but I came back for the finish. Agreeing with Keith, it was too long for the payoff, but I also haven't seen the other episodes. PS. How does someone hang himself inside that little box??? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 6th, 2003, 04:30 PM	#264
Nori Wentworth Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada Posts: 217	<<PS. How does someone hang himself inside that little box???>> They watch Jenny Jones and force themselves to choke...

June 6th, 2003, 04:33 PM	#265
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	<<<-- Originally posted by Nori Wentworth : OOPS! The prolugue is still there though. http://zed.cbc.ca/displayContent.do?...LTER_KEY=19878 -->>> I liked the first one for the combination of styles and video effects. I think it is extremely effective use, technically, of DV and the various ways you can affect video. Well done technically. It reminds me of Hideo Nakata (Ringu). I think, creatively and thematically, all the elements could be overdone, though. You have to tread a fine line between oversaturation of all the 'crazy stuff'. Less would be more. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

June 6th, 2003, 10:22 PM	#266
Ken Snow New Boot Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 15	If you don't mind feedback from a novice, then my favorite aspect of the short was the sound. The sound was great, went well with the movie, and I think it was very effective. You must have spent a lot of time concentrating on that. It seemed that a few edits could have been shortened by a few frames, I noticed this when the stalking camera would approach the bulkhead or actor. I don't really have an opinion on anything else, so I'll finish by saying I admire the work, and would be extremely happy if I ever could make something of such quality!

June 12th, 2003, 07:58 PM	#267
Andres Lucero Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	28 Days Later... According to someone on the Fox Searchlight forum, Danny Boyle's new film 28 Days Later was shot on a Canon XL1s. Has anyone heard/read anything confirming this? I haven't seen the movie yet, but the trailer is online and the photography looks amazing (even more so if it was actually shot on MiniDV).

June 12th, 2003, 08:26 PM	#268
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	It's old news on this forum Andreas. There is a post dedicated to this very topic. Type in 28 days in the search window and it will show up. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

June 13th, 2003, 12:36 AM	#269
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	It's true, it's true! Great movie, saw it a few months ago. Check out the old thread. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 14th, 2003, 09:32 AM	#270
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	paintball video Here's a trailer for one of the paintball videos I've done recently. http://www.badlandspaintball.com/hom...p2k3movie.html I know the quality of the clip sucks, sorry in advance. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com