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Edward Troxel
March 2nd, 2004, 09:54 PM
Because your computer has to work much harder after you add the effect. Therefore, it does what it can to play in real time. The result is dropped frames which gives the "appearance" of being out of sync and causes the blurriness.

You can eliminate the blurriness by changing to one of the "full" preview modes. However, you may drop even more frames.

John Zwinck
March 2nd, 2004, 10:06 PM
.psq and .plb files are used by Premiere to import sequences and batch lists, basically. They don't seem interoperable with other programs, except where other programs generate those files so that they can be imported into a Premiere project. Ergo, those programs either need to generate an EDL for Vegas, or I need to start reinventing some wheels.

Thanks for the help!

Glen Elliott
March 2nd, 2004, 10:32 PM
You can frame serve a project out of Premeire into Vegas correct?
www.debugmode.com

John Zwinck
March 2nd, 2004, 11:02 PM
I'm not sure I understand the suggestion to frame-serve the project. I would like to be able to export the project from Premiere and continue my work in Vegas, but this probably requires actual transfer of the clip data, not just a rendered sequence. I may well be missing something here--am I?

Ryan McCrary
March 3rd, 2004, 12:58 AM
can the levels be adjusted like a photoshop histogram from within vegas? i want to capture directly to my hard drive for a few shots, and check with a chip chart on-screen and look at levels/color correction..

any other software i could use to just capture and color manage?

thanks

John Hudson
March 3rd, 2004, 01:50 AM
Yes

There is a histogram that allows you to monitor color levels and contrast of your video in the Video Scopes window.

Josh Bass
March 3rd, 2004, 02:50 AM
I'll try it. . .though I think I've tried it before with the full modes, and still blurry. I usually don't need to see the FX in motion, just to see how a certain color or something looks. . .know what I mean?

Todd Metzger
March 3rd, 2004, 09:10 AM
If anyone is interested, while researching, I found a really nice explanation of illegal signals, waveform monitors and such...

http://www.execulink.com/~impact/scopes.htm

Bill Ravens
March 3rd, 2004, 09:23 AM
Hey, thanx Todd. This is the first time I've ever seen an explanation of Chroma limits. Usually, just the luma is referenced. Thanx again for the link.

Todd Metzger
March 3rd, 2004, 12:50 PM
No problem Bill! I appreciate good tech and I figured others in this forum would too. :)

Andy Shrimpton
March 3rd, 2004, 07:34 PM
Hi Guys!

I'm going to get Vegas, it's just a matter of when. So....

Should I wait and hold out for the release of Vegas 5.0? Being a fairly new user of NLE, will I need the features of 5.0? Also, any ideas on Pricing on 5.0, and will I be justified spending the extra (assuming it is more costly) on Ver 5.0?

From what I read here, Vegas 4.0 will do me, but who knows where this will lead me.

So, next question. With the immenent release of Vegas 5.0, is Vegas 4.0 likely to drop in price, or is it likely to disappear altogether?

So, dive in or wait?

Thanks in advance for your imput all.

Andy

John Hudson
March 3rd, 2004, 09:24 PM
I would imagine it will drop in price, like all other 'older version' products. Vegas 4.0 can do ANYTHING you will possibly need to accomplish. If you are a fulltime stident (or know any wink wink) you can get a nice Vegas 4.0 package for $258.00 (Including DVD Architect, Vision 1 series and Acid 4.0).

Why wait? Who knows what will be new or different about it. COuld be some interface changes, new shortcuts or a few ehancements. Might even require a lil more power in the computer.

John Hudson
March 3rd, 2004, 09:30 PM
Try doing a pre-render. This will give you a better look at your footages when using transistions or fx.

Glenn Chan
March 3rd, 2004, 10:11 PM
Sony let the cat out of the bag so you can find out about Vegas 5 over at their forums.

Should I wait and hold out for the release of Vegas 5.0? Being a fairly new user of NLE, will I need the features of 5.0? Also, any ideas on Pricing on 5.0, and will I be justified spending the extra (assuming it is more costly) on Ver 5.0?
1- wait? no.
2- need new features? no. network rendering isn't much and neither is keyboard mapping (not useful to you now).
3- It doesn't look like any big features are coming out that Vegas 4 doesn't already have. But check the press release to be sure...

Vegas 4 is already very powerfuly and stable, it should be excellent for you and you'll be able to get things done with it.

Jeff Baergen
March 4th, 2004, 12:37 AM
Jeff Donald, Edward Troxel, & DVi...

What a day, huh? I just wanted to let you guys know that I appreciate both the rumor policy at DVi and the way you two handled yourselves today with this Vegas 5 thing. You were professional and courteous with your replies... not always an easy thing to do.

As one of the people who got a post pulled when I asked why the Sony news release didn't work, it confused me for a second... but, instead of getting upset about it, I just read Jeff's posts explaining the situation and I can fully understand why my post was pulled.

And as far as rumors are concerned... some of this DV equipment costs a stinkin' lot of money and I personally don't want to read a post on here, spend my money on something and then find out it was information based on a hunch or a guess. So, thanks for the policy... I would hate to have to filter through figments and facades to find facts. Alliteration... you gotta love it!

Much praise to you people for your policy and professionalism in the path of public probing and potentially pessimistic posts.

Peace~

Jeff

Chris Hurd
March 4th, 2004, 02:33 AM
Thanks Jeff,

The way I like to explain this, is that discussing rumors is pointless and actually sometimes worse than useless. We're an information site, not a rumor site.

There are a lot of rumor sites out there, and heh, we're not competing with them. The way we like to look at it is that there will be plenty of informative discussions right here when the new info becomes official.

Until then, just remember: those who will know, can't tell. Those who will tell, don't know. Always do the right thing!

Vince Debart
March 4th, 2004, 05:55 AM
Thanks

Vince
vince.debart@9news.com

Rob Lohman
March 4th, 2004, 06:13 AM
This one (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=148)?

As long as the/a card is OHCI compliant and supports your OS
then, yes, it should work just fine. The card I linked to supports
OHCI so should be no problem at all.

Vince Debart
March 4th, 2004, 09:43 AM
thanks Rob

Vince

Edward Troxel
March 4th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Jeff and All,

Sorry for all of the confusion yesterday. It was tough trying to keep things in an orderly manner. I definitely want to see discussions on wants for new products, what new products will offer (once true official notices are given and there are no longer NDA restrictions), and anything else related to the Vegas + DVD and associated line. However, it seemed appropriate to pull what became "rumor" because all supporting documentation had been eliminated. Please accept my appologies.

Edward

Edward Troxel
March 4th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Seminars will be on Vegas and DVD Architect, plus I am open to suggestions.

Tour will start the last week in April. If you are interested in having me come to your area, or would like to make suggestions for seminar topics, please e-mail me at VegasEditing@aol.com.

Best Regards,
Gary Kleiner

Andy Shrimpton
March 4th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Still here, you've convinced me, I'm diving in.

Now all I need is someone who'll ship the acedemic version to Australia.

Any body know of anyone?

Cheers,

Andy

Peter Sieben
March 4th, 2004, 04:37 PM
www.dvdirect.com

I ordered a non academic version from them via internet and shipped it to Europe. No problems at all.

Peter Sieben

Elmer Lang
March 4th, 2004, 04:47 PM
I am an editor thoroughly familiar with FCP.

I've got an offer to teach Vegas to novices.

Is Vegas similar to FCP? Could I become fluent in a week or two?

Also, isn't one version better to edit HD (Vegas or Vegas+DVD)? Though maybe I should ask this in the HD forum.

Thanks,
Elmer

Glenn Chan
March 4th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Is Vegas similar to FCP? Could I become fluent in a week or two?
Vegas made no freaking sense to me coming from FCP. I'd probably start off with the vegas short cuts stickied in this forum.

Both programs do mostly the same thing though. Vegas however has excellent audio editing capabilities and some nice color correction capabilities (curves, 3-way CC, saturation adjust, secondary color corrector are all good filters plus the scopes).

John Hudson
March 4th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I purchased the 2 DVD Vegas 4.0 Tutorial by Gary Kliener and am really impressed. Talk about getting you up to speed. I think I learned more in 2 nights than in 3 weeks scewing around with it.

Sounds as if you do have experience, and that alone should be a huge benifit to you. I am a novice and have a pretty good grasp of Vegas already. I'm sure there is alot more to learn, but what I know now is second nature already.

Edward Troxel
March 4th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Gary's DVD set is definitely good and highly recommended http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com

DSE also has a DVD set and book

You can also look at my newsletters http://www.jetdv.com/tts

First recommendation: forget what you know about FCP. You'll do it in a different way in Vegas. However, Vegas IS very logical in how it does things.

Glen Elliott
March 4th, 2004, 10:21 PM
Neo, get ready to step out of the Matrix. lol

...at least that's what it felt like for me learning Vegas. I had to drop almost everything that I learned in the past 2 years working with Premiere. You'll be glad you did- the things that make absolutly no sense at first will begin to make sense...you'll start to see, as Edward mentioned, how logical it really is.

Visual training will definitly speed up the process, but be prepared for the most difficult NLE transition you could ever possibly take. In the end you'll see the beauty of it- and who knows...maybe you'll stay. Good luck- keep us informed on your thoughts/opinions as you learn it.

Glen Elliott
March 4th, 2004, 10:24 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by Elmer Lang :

Also, isn't one version better to edit HD (Vegas or Vegas+DVD)? Though maybe I should ask this in the HD forum.

Thanks,
Elmer -->>>

All newer versions of Vegas (4.0b-and up) handle HD footage. The Vegas+DVD simply adds DVD Architect (a DVD authoring program), and invaluable AC-3 encoding.

Gary Kleiner
March 5th, 2004, 12:36 AM
>I purchased the 2 DVD Vegas 4.0 Tutorial by Gary Kliener and am really impressed. Talk about getting you up to speed. I think I learned more in 2 nights than in 3 weeks scewing around with it.<

John,

You made my day. Glad you got a lot out of the DVDs.

Gary

Martin Garrison
March 5th, 2004, 08:56 AM
Is the AC-3 encoding, the surround codec, or is it just a stereo version?

Edward Troxel
March 5th, 2004, 10:44 AM
The AC-3 encoder included with Vegas+DVD is an AC-3 5.1 encoder. It can also encode AC-3 stereo.

Jason Casey
March 5th, 2004, 02:13 PM
It's funny how nobody ever comes to Madison WI, where Vegas is made :)

Andy Shrimpton
March 5th, 2004, 04:42 PM
Thanks to all those that helped me with my questions, I've ordered the Vegas 4 Acedemic Version, and hopefully it will be here in a week or so. Thanks to Peter Seiben for the link for Overseas buyers.

So now I wait, then start the learning curve.

Thanks again All,

Andy

John Hudson
March 5th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Don't forget to look into G. Klieners 2 DVD Titorial selection. It is rockin'

Dan Lum
March 5th, 2004, 07:56 PM
I burned a movie using DVDA 1.0b and like so many other times, the menu came up without a hitch.

I select to play a movie and the DVD player stops! I reload the DVD and the other menu selections work fine, just this one movie.

Any ideas?

Brad Higerd
March 5th, 2004, 08:23 PM
My computer continues to crash when scrubbing in Vegas (d build), and I cannot get it to stop. The error messages state that I am either out of memory or that it can't read from some specified memory location. The machine has 1 Gb of Cosair ECC RAM that has never given me problems. This problem persists no matter how large or small the file I edit. The existence or non-existence of a page file on an independent SATA drive has had no effect. I have tested the drives, and they can sustain read/write speeds of about 40 Mb/s (all Maxtor SATA hdds). In addition, I increased the latency of the RAM timings to try to increase stability, and still no solution has been reached.

If you have any idea on why I am having this problem, please help me.

Thanks,
Brad

Edward Troxel
March 5th, 2004, 08:38 PM
There's a few things you can try such as trying a different player, burning another copy and see if it works, burn on a different media, try burning from a different program, try re-rendering that one file, try rebuilding the project in case of a bad build. Unfortunately, these things can be tough to trace down.

Dan Lum
March 5th, 2004, 08:40 PM
I've been trying to trace it down but as you said, it's a difficult thing to do. I've downloaded the latest DVDA from Sony and in the process of preparing and burning a new instance.

I've tried different media, it works on 2 other players but doesn't on the newest one (highest compatibility as well).

Guy Bruner
March 5th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling Vegas?

Robin D. Love
March 5th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Try switching to different audio drivers (under preferences, I believe). I recall someone else having a similar issue and it turned out to be a driver conflict.

George Brackett III
March 6th, 2004, 08:47 AM
Yes Robin- I had the same problem. I switched the "audio device type" (preferences>audio device>audio device type) to Windows Classic Wave Driver. Haven't had a problem since.

Brian Maier
March 6th, 2004, 12:23 PM
I was wondering what are some good analog and digital capture cards that will work with vegas 4.0. Im trying to find a card for someone with only a analog camera.

Todd Metzger
March 6th, 2004, 01:01 PM
I personally use a Canopus ADVC-100 hooked to a Koutech Firewire card. I really like my 100. Very nice cap's and hassle-free. If you are strictly looking for a PCI based, all-in-on inclusive package, maybe the Canopus ADVC-1394.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
March 6th, 2004, 03:16 PM
The ADVC 1394 is really the only PCI card that is designed to work with Vegas. For a time, the two were even bundled.

Brad Higerd
March 6th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Will the Windows Classic Wave Driver prohibit me from editing surround sound?

Edward Troxel
March 6th, 2004, 08:40 PM
It won't prohibit editing but would limit "hearing". Check to see if there's an updated driver for your audio card.

Brian Maier
March 7th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Thanks

Brad Higerd
March 7th, 2004, 09:19 PM
No updated driver as of yet, but I do appreciate the advice. After making the suggested changes, I have experienced no problems with scrubbing.

Thank you all for your help!

George Brackett III
March 8th, 2004, 07:35 AM
Edward- I don't understand what you meant by the different driver limiting "hearing". If you mean audio while scrubbing, mine still works fine.