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Tor Salomonsen
February 4th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Expect to have to register online to get an authentication code which will make the apps run beyond a shorter initial period.
Also, expect to register Vegas and DVDA separately. Can't remember if this goes for the Dolby encoder as well.
But don't worry - it's all plain sailing.

Joe Mosquera
February 4th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Your guys rock. Thank you very much for the quick replies.

Rob Lohman
February 4th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Variable bitrate uses at least two numbers, the average bitrate
and the max bitrate, sometimes min as well. I'm assuming 8000
is the max? It's a tad high for average.

Mike Gunter
February 4th, 2004, 04:55 PM
Hi,

Have a look at http://www.dtvprofessional.com/2003/06_jun/tutorials/guntergreen.htm

Marcia Janine Galles
February 4th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Hi all,
Browsing older posts for the DVX100 I noticed a thread discussing the handling of the camera's approx. two frame sync issue and how Final Cut Pro handles it, which is with a plug-in available on the FCP install disk. Is there the equivilent plug in available for Vegas? If not, what's the best way to sync adjust this cam within the Vegas environment?

Edward Troxel
February 4th, 2004, 10:29 PM
You mean syncing audio to external preview? You can adjust that sync in Options - Preferences.

Shane Schmidt
February 5th, 2004, 03:01 AM
Hello all, I had hoped that my first post would be a more positive one but; I'm trying to burn my first menu based DVD and I had no problems putting it together. Bummer was that I burned onto a DVD+R that will not play on any of my 3 DVD players but plays fine on my PC of course. So I read that DVD-R's seem to be more compatible to most home players so I rushed out & bought a 5 pk of DVD-R's but now when I get to the Select Burn Parimeters window the Device and the Speed drop menu's are blank and not selectable which will not allow me to click finish.

Is this being caused by the media I bought?

To see what I am seeing I ran across the same screen capture in Douglas Spotted Eagle's book on page 364, example 11.42.

Up till this point the whole V4, NLE, DVD thing has been a breeze, I hope it is just me being an idiot (is it plugged in?).

Thanks in advace.

Shane

Joseph Lawrence
February 5th, 2004, 06:42 AM
Please help. I've searched for other threads discussing MPEG2 encoding from Vegas and compatibility with various DVD authoring software. This hasn't answered my specific concern.

From Vegas, I rendered using the DV NTSC setting to create
the MPEG2 file. Once rendered this file plays fine in Windows
Media Player. When I try to burn the DVD using Sonic MyDVD, the program cancels during the writing phase and gives an error message stating the file is not a valid MPEG2 file. I use Memorex DVD+R media and have tried Fuji DVD+RW with the same results.

I was previously able to render a working copy of this same project (I hadn't inserted titling tracks) and burn a DVD using the same settings.

I suspect something in the rendering settings produces a file
not compatible with the video DVD standards or at least not compatible with what MyDVD requires.

Any help is appreciated.

Joseph

Don Bloom
February 5th, 2004, 06:44 AM
What make and model burner do you have?
Some will not see certain media.

Check to see what the mfgr. says about media for your burner.

Don

Don Bloom
February 5th, 2004, 06:49 AM
Your best bet for MyDVD is to render to AVI in Vegas and then import to MyDVD (get movies icon or control G) and let it bring the avi in and convert it. That should solve the problem.
Don

Federico Dib
February 5th, 2004, 10:09 AM
Hi,

1. - What is wrong?:

Iīve been trying to do a Batch Capture but the batch capture button on the menu doesnīt activate. It stays gray... I think Iīm doing every step the way Iīm suppossed to..
Itīs not that hard of a process... ?ŋ?


2. - Is there a script or anyway to do a batch capture from a text file or a XLS? or anything to avoid going clip by clip?

Shane Schmidt
February 5th, 2004, 10:55 AM
The Plextor PX-708A, I checked out Plextor's compatability page after I posted this question and found that both brands of DVD-R I tried to burn were not on their list (Sony & Memorex).
Now the Maxell DVD+R I burned, DVDA did recognize but it will not play on my set-top players (All picky Toshiba models btw).

I had also read on the Sony forums that most people consider the Memorex's as garbage but at least they did not lock up my PC like the Sony disc did. I upgraded the firmware on the Plextor and that stopped the Sony DVD-R from locking up my PC but DVDA still will not recognize it.

Thanks Don

Shane

Don Bloom
February 5th, 2004, 11:19 AM
Did the mfg site list any DVD-R's or is the burner strictly DVD+R,
also, some DVD players just won't play certain media.
I have 4 DVD players and 1, which happens to be the fanciest as well as the oldest (about 2 1/2 years old) won't read any of my DVD-R's but all the others including another by the same mfr as the other player reads anything I put into it.
Goofy!
Good Luck,
Don

Shane Schmidt
February 5th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Supposedly it will burn +, -, RW, I just hope it doesn't burn my toast...

Graham Bernard
February 5th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Can you explain, exactly what you are doing to Batch capture? A greyed out button isn't good.

Grazie

Edward Troxel
February 5th, 2004, 11:45 AM
Take a look at issue #5 of my newsletter http://www.jetdv.com/tts

Basically, it will remain grayed out if:

1) You haven't logged a clip
2) You don't have device control enabled.

Shane Schmidt
February 5th, 2004, 01:23 PM
I just tried my third brand of media, a TDK 2X and DVDA will not reconize this disc also. TDK is on Plextor's compatability list.
This is getting rather frustrating.

Just how picky is DVDA?

Can I use another burning program (Roxio, Nero), to burn the Audio_TS and Video_TS files that DVDA prepared?

Thanks again.

Shane

Philippe Gosselin
February 5th, 2004, 01:28 PM
WOW !!!!


Thanks a bunch Edward.


There is only one cloud left in the sky now , How can I be certain that I am on or not on the track header.


Thanks

Phil

Glen Elliott
February 5th, 2004, 01:54 PM
Depends on the way you went about adding the effect. If you right clicked/ clicked the fx button/ or dragged an effect from the effects palette at the bottom into your clip then the effect is on the clip level.

To apply the effect to the entire track you have to click on the fx button in the track header or drag the effect from the effects palette on to the track header.

Edward Troxel
February 5th, 2004, 02:03 PM
I almost always click on the FX button to add an effect. If I click on the button on the clip, I KNOW the effect is at the clip level. Same if I click on the effect button on the track header. If you drag the effect, just make sure you drag it to the right place.

Edward Troxel
February 5th, 2004, 02:06 PM
In my experience, DVDA has not been picky at all. I have an A03 so I'm limited to "-" media but it has worked with a couple different brands.

As for using another program to burn, yes that is very doable. Just add the Audio_TS and Video_TS folders created by DVDA into the other program and tell it to burn the DVD. I have, on occasion, used Prassi PrimoDVD to burn the folders created by DVDA but now use DVDA to burn almost all the time.

Glen Elliott
February 5th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Oddly enough I find myself dragging the effect from the effects palette the the clip- not that I need the animated references for the various effects. Maybe a left-over habit from my Premiere days. lol

Shane Schmidt
February 5th, 2004, 05:31 PM
OK, I tried one last time with the TDK in DVDA and it actually let me choose the device this time but the drive speed window was empty. I clicked 'finish' anyway and I got an, "Error 0x8004e0c8" which I am assuming is the missing speed setting.

So, I burned the _TS folders on the TDK disc with Roxio 6 and it worked fine. It plays in 2 of my 3 DVD players, the third being a first gen Toshiba that I didn't expect to play in anyway, whew!
I bet it's my Plextor being picky & not DVDA.

It sure was gratifying to see the finished DVD on my 36" TV.


Thanks Don & Ed!

Shane

Federico Dib
February 5th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Edward, thanx for your help... but I think I have logged the clips, and I think I have a device control enabled.

So Iīll write every step of what Iīm doing to see if you see something I canīt.


1.- Open VEgas
2.- FILE -> CAPTURE VIDEO
3.- Name my tape, donīt capture clips now
(DEVICE STOPPED)
4.- go to ADVANCED CAPTURE
Device works just fine... I can control the cam from Video Capture with no problem. Can set in and outs.. capture them.. play them, go to specific timecode.. etc..

5.- Select Timecode IN and OUT.
6.- Push LOG IN/OUT button. (the clip name on top changes to TAPENAME - Clip 001 and so).
7.- Repeat 5 and 6 as as many times as needed.
8.- TRANSPORT -> ADVANCED CAPTURE... and....

BATCH CAPTURE is grey. No batch capturing for me...

Iīm using a XM2, just in case there is an issue there.

And reasking a little here..

Is there anyway to use a Text file or XLS or something to do a batch capture, without having to type in, or select each clip to capture????

Edward Troxel
February 5th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Sounds like you are doing things right. However, I don't understand step #8. As soon as you are done with #7 is when I hit Batch Capture.

Edward Troxel
February 5th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Good to hear you have a working DVD!

Federico Dib
February 5th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Never mind... my mistake, it must have been my younger years of excess passing a bill on whatīs left of my brain...

Iīve been using VEGAS for more than a few months now, and I didnīt know there was a CLIP EXPLORER option on VIDEO CAPTURE... And I also didnīt have the AUTOMATIC MARK FOR BATCH CAPTURE thing selected...

Mental notes: "F1 is my friend"... "Some people spend many hours making the help files.. SO JUST READ IT"....

So thanx for your help.. I got it covered now.. you could just delete this thread and save me some public humilliation...

One last thing..
What about the magic thing that will let me use a text file or a xls file to do the batch capture withou marking ins and outs manually?

Yi Fong Yu
February 5th, 2004, 09:26 PM
i've been having similar issues. i use nero to burn my DVDs after DVD-Arch preps it on a folder. but if i use DVD-Arch itself to burn anything, it's all blank, won't burn. i have the liteon ldw-451s DVD burner. i mostly use DVD-R.

Jamison Olivieri
February 5th, 2004, 11:32 PM
Hey I have had Vegas for a half a year and i cannot figure out How come when i capture some of my video off my AG-DVX100 it tells me my video was captured in 29 frames a second instead of 24 or sumthing like that. Why is that? Is the picture degrading because of it?

Jamison Olivieri
February 5th, 2004, 11:34 PM
I am wondering how come there are not many plug-ins for Vegas. I have not seen any type of after affects or any special prgram as a plug in for Vegas. Sonic Foundry or shall i say sony has not created any type of after affects program thing for vegas 4.0. Why is that?

Glenn Chan
February 6th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Boris Red?

Dan Lahav
February 6th, 2004, 01:08 AM
I noticed that Vegas "maxes out" when speeding up playback rate at 4.000. Is there any way to increase the speed? Thanks

Tor Salomonsen
February 6th, 2004, 01:39 AM
Options > Preferences > Editing > JKL shuttle speed. Set to max. You'll get x20 playback.

Dan Lahav
February 6th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Hrmmm for some reason im actually not getting faster speeds. am i doing something wrong?

I have a 25 second clip and cant get it down to faster than a 5 second clip w/ or w/out JKL speed at MAX. i need something REAALLY fast. Guess i'll have to go to after effects

Tor Salomonsen
February 6th, 2004, 03:12 AM
Are you trying to make the finished video go faster, is that what you're saying? I thought you were talking about playback as in preview as i JKL.

When you hit the ceiling you can render to avi and put the rendered event on your timeline, then speed it up once more. You can do this several times.

Graham Bernard
February 6th, 2004, 04:44 AM
Dan,

1 - JKL keys are for previewing. Not for finished products. If you want to preview stuff then use the advice given above. I can Preview at 20x realtime. The sound dissapears at around 4x . . little loss as the audio would be . .well senseless . .

2 - Vegas can do what you want. Use the velo envelopes. There's been a vary recent post on how to achieve rates higher than 300% > > 1000% and onwards if you wanted...


If you want to go to AE, that's your decision . . But Sony_vegas will do it . .and you can also do it in reverse . .if your fancy took you . .

Grazie

Don Bloom
February 6th, 2004, 06:01 AM
Depending on what you want there is Tsunami,Excalibur,Neon and some great stuff by Satish at debugmode.com which are all free. Satish writes these on his own time for all of us and has some cool stuff. Also try sundancemediagroup.com for some really cool veg files. You have to register but its free and no junk comes to you. (thank you Spot)
All depends on what you want but there is a lot of good stuff for Vegas out there.

Don

Graham Bernard
February 6th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Vegas employs .NET framework to allow for an open source type scripting, for others to create scripts - oh yes there is a scripting forum. These scripts do the most amazing things . .and yes Excalibur, Tsunami and Neon utilize these scripts. Now we start cooking beacuse there is a WHOLE load of scripts that can add wonderful creative options for Vegas.

Now . .try this out . .you may have to register . .no bad thing . but then you'll JUST see what is possible - yeah:

http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/help/kb/kb_tutorials.asp

. . have fun . . lots to see and do . ..

Grazie

Rob Lohman
February 6th, 2004, 07:03 AM
That's because it is 29.97 fps. Simple answer. ALL DV is at the
DV framerate of 29.97 (59.94i) for NTSC or 25 (50i) for PAL.

Your 24p footage is being processed with a pulldown to create
29.97 footage. If you set your Vegas project to the correct
24p setting it will auto undo this for you.

No worries, you won't get any picture degrading because of this.
This is the way it is supposed to be!

There is an official 24p White Paper out that you can get here (http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/download/Step3.asp?URLID=1772&SerialNum=&EntryPoint=).

Please read that!

Joseph Lawrence
February 6th, 2004, 07:05 AM
Thanks Don,

I tried your suggestion last evening and MyDVD balked at trying
to 'get movie'. It immediately issued an error message, "could not complete the last command because: use of invalid editor; File Reference;;FileReferenceEditorBase". Has this worked for you?

I'm contacting Sonic for their solution. but I'd still appreciate any known solutions.

Thanks, Joseph

Don Bloom
February 6th, 2004, 07:56 AM
Joseph,
I really don't use MyDVD anymore (I use 2 other programs) but I just tried it again to see if I could duplicate the problem you're having and I couldn't. I've been able to pickup all my AVI's with the get movie command.
I'm not at all familiar with the error message you're getting, perhaps the Sonic forum might be able to help better.
Don

Edward Troxel
February 6th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Using CTRL-Drag, you can get a 4x speed increase. With a velocity envelope, you can get a 3x speed increase. Combine the two and you can get up to 12x. If you need faster than that, render at 12x and then speed up the new clip again.

Edward Troxel
February 6th, 2004, 08:22 AM
There are lots of plugins for Vegas. For example:

Pixelan - a great dissolve enhancer and also provides other effects.
Boris RED/FX/Graffiti - Works directly from the timeline and is similar to AE in abilities.
Zenote - a series of plugins derived from FilmFX by BigFX.

Naturally, don't want to forget plugs by Satish and SDMoore or Excalibur, Tsunami, and Neon. Here's several links:

http://www.jetdv.com/tsunami
http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com
http://www.zenote.com
http://www.borisfx.com
http://www.pixelan.com
http://www.debugmode.com
http://www.endor.demon.co.uk/
http://flash.to/rmtools/
http://mikecrash.wz.cz/vegas/vegas.htm
http://www.adorage.de/gb/index.html

Edward Troxel
February 6th, 2004, 08:28 AM
Before switching to DVD Architect, I used to use MPEG2 files from Vegas in MyDVD's big brother - DVDit. Vegas will make DVD legal MPEGs assuming the MPEG options are set correctly. Just make sure the options are set in such a way that MyDVD will be happy.

Jamison Olivieri
February 6th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Ok so all i did was just change the timeline marker into 24p is there anyother changes i need to make to vegas to edit correctly in 24p?

Glen Elliott
February 6th, 2004, 11:30 AM
I shoot with a DVX100 as well- what was it originally shot in...24p or 24pA? If it's just 24p you should edit like normal without choosing the 24p template. If you shot in 24pA you need to select the Vegas 24p template, make sure all prerenders are 2-3-3-2 and final output is 2-3. The whitepaper link Rob posted explains it all.

Dan Holly
February 6th, 2004, 01:11 PM
I use it almost every day by rendering to MPEG2 in Vegas, then pulling it down to MyDVD as original.

It also works by rendering to .avi, then letting MyDVD pull it to a MPEG2.

Did you try uninstall then reinstall (always a last resort but works sometimes)

Paul Colt
February 6th, 2004, 01:11 PM
What major 3rd party effects generator( Boris Red, Pinnacle FXGold etc.) works with Vegas 4.0? Thats the only thing I think that really limits Vegas is the lack of 3rd party support that PPro and Avid has. The transitions selection in vegas are limited as well. What do you Vegas pros think?

Joseph Lawrence
February 6th, 2004, 01:57 PM
Thanks everyone,

I haven't solved the problem yet, but I'm convinced it is a problem with my implementation. I have MyDVD version 4.5 and it came installed from Dell. I will try the uninstall and re-install as suggested.

Prior to buying Vegas 4, I used Pinnacle Studio 7 (yuk). I had the same problem with MyDVD. I attributed the problem to Pinnacle since I couldn't always get a clean MPEG render with their software. Now that I have Vegas and alwyas get a great MPEG2 render, I began to suspect MyDVD as the problem. I really appreciate all the feedback.

Joseph

Rob Lohman
February 6th, 2004, 02:10 PM
Boris has a filter set out for Vegas, not sure which one. But check
their website. I'm not sure about others. Vegas only got a lot
of attention recently (when comparing to the timeline of other
NLE's like Premiere and Avid) and I wouldn't be surprised if more
stuff will start to emerge slowly. It's always a demand and supply
issue.

Almost no professional is using transitions because they almost
always look cheesy. If you really need some interesting transition
you can make one yourself with photoshop (don't forget to use
the alpha channels) and gradients in Vegas.