View Full Version : Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)
Edward Troxel March 30th, 2004, 08:47 PM Yes. If you had given DVDA the AVI files then you could have adjusted the bitrate to match the total size.
Alternately, just make sure you render the correct size to begin with. Take a look at my newsletter where I discuss this topic. I also have a bitrate chart in that issue.
http://www.jetdv.com/tts
Rob Lohman March 31st, 2004, 02:46 AM Go into the pan/crop settings for the clip. There should be presets
there to flip the image (if I remember correctly).
p.s. I moved the post to a more approriate forum
Peter Jefferson March 31st, 2004, 04:52 AM well i installed it, and it runs fine as standalone
then when tryin to run it as a plugin i keep gettin the .NET thingy, so i go to MS and download the 20odd mb app...
restart the machine, try to run the plugin and it happens again..
run the app as standalone, an theres no problem..
then theres the GFX card support, apparently its supposed to support gfx card rendering, which for some reason wont read a Radeon ATI card.. so its all done in SW...
these are jsut bugs, so im sure he'll fix these.
good potnetial and its free...
great work Satish!
George Brackett III March 31st, 2004, 05:20 AM I've heard when this happens, usually an uninstall and reinstall of Vegas is necessary. I wonder why Sony doesn't alert users to download and install .net framework first?
Edward Troxel March 31st, 2004, 08:04 AM Yes, pan/crop can do that easily.
To get to the "presets", open Pan/Crop, right-click the image on the Pan/Crop screen, and several options appear including "Flip Horizontal" and "Flip Vertical".
Edward Troxel March 31st, 2004, 08:09 AM Peter, there ARE some cases where it is necessary to uninstall/reinstall Vegas AFTER installing the .NET Framework.
Can you run any scripts? If not, I would recommend the uninstall/reinstall procedure.
Glen Elliott March 31st, 2004, 08:51 AM I'm looking to shoot with both a wireless and onboard shotgun with my newly aquired PD-170 for the upcoming Wedding season. I've heard from many the best set-up is to have one on each channel that way in post I can pan accordingly to get the sound from whatever source I choose. Nothing is lost in imaging beings both sources are record mono.
My question is this- say if I record this way and I have the shotgun audio in the Left Channel, and the wireless in Right. If there is a sceen where I want only the wireless audio- what do I do? Do I pan to the right (or channel it was recorded on)...will that effectively give me the audio of the wireless out of both left and right?
How about instances where I want both sources out of both channels simultaneously? I heard people talk about duplicating channels. How do I do that? Or should I just duplicate the audio clip and pan one all the way to the left and the other panned all the way to the right?
Thanks in advance!
Glenn Chan March 31st, 2004, 08:55 AM You right click on the event and choose which channel you want. Check the Vegas shortcuts list.
2- To have both I think you want to duplicate the audio onto another track. You may have to slide one of the channels back a little bit to account for different times it takes for the sound to get to your mic. (not too sure about this)
Edward Troxel March 31st, 2004, 09:53 AM Yep, just add the audio twice, right-click one of them, choose Channels, then Left Channel Only. Right-click the other one, choose Channels, then Right Channel Only. Then you can use the standard volume controls to determine how much of each is added to the final mix.
Jean-Philippe Archibald March 31st, 2004, 07:05 PM Hi, don't know if this is a vegas related problem or a windows xp one.
I want to use clips captured with vegas in others applications, like AE and SteadyHand but I am unable to plaback thoses clips outside Vegas, even Windows Media Player cannot play them.
I have heard that Vegas use a proprietary DV codec so I have tried to render my clips in uncompressed AVI without better result.
In WMP, I get this error: Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The file is either corrupt or the Player does not support the format you are trying to play.
When I try to play it within Steadyhand: Directshow problem: Could not playback video file !
So I need some help here.. :)
Thanks
Edward Troxel March 31st, 2004, 09:30 PM While the Vegas codec can only be used by Vegas for rendering purposes, it can still be READ by other codecs (such as MSDV). Also, capturing is an entirely different animal - the codec doesn't even come into play. Something else must be going on.
Rob Lohman April 1st, 2004, 04:29 AM Vegas internally uses a different codec indeed (but you can force
it to use MSDV in the settings). BUT, it writes 100% compliant
MSDV files. If you look in the header it is the exact same as MSDV.
So if you can't read the files something else must be wrong.
I can play all my Vegas files in Windows Media Player without a
problem. I would suggest you download the latest WMP from
Microsoft and (re)install it. See if that fixes your problem. Sounds
like the DV codec has been messed up somehow. (Re)Installing
the latest version of DirectX might help in this case as well.
Ian Stark April 1st, 2004, 05:05 AM Are you capturing the clips, editing them and then rendering them to AVI's?
If so, I wonder if you are rendering them as OpenDML (AVI 2.0) files, which can't be read by every application.
Try rendering a clip and select Custom Template then Video and uncheck the OpenDML box in the Video Settings.
Hugh DiMauro April 1st, 2004, 07:36 AM Yesterday, I formatted my hard drive and re-installed vegas 4.0 (which I had done many times prior with no problems). Prior to this, I had been editing a wedding video which was coming along nicely.
After re-installing Vegas, I brought up my previously edited wedding video and I noticed that all the titling fonts/letters on the timeline titles had changed to "symbols." When I went to change everything back to the original letter styles, I noticed that many of the letter styles had disappeared from the drop down list under the media generator titler. For example, I no longer have "stencil" or "Batavia".
What happened?
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLP!
Jean-Philippe Archibald April 1st, 2004, 07:41 AM Rob, Thank you for your reply and suggestions, I will try it tonight.
Ian, I have already tried this one without better result.
Peter Jefferson April 1st, 2004, 07:42 AM i like my Vegas config the way it is now, it's rock solid and i have no issues.
I think i'll leave it until i finish these next projects and then decide.
it still works as standalone so thats good enough to learn with for now i guess.
Todd Metzger April 1st, 2004, 07:54 AM Evidently, when you reformatted, there must have been other programs that you did not reinstall that had these fonts associated with them.
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 08:14 AM Vegas will use whatever true-type fonts you have on your system. Just locate the fonts you want and install them on your system and Vegas will see them automatically.
Jeff Toogood April 1st, 2004, 10:06 AM I have two prevously rendered MPEG2 clips and want to join them in Vegas.
If I put the two clips end to end in the timeline with no transistions and re-render to MPEG2, will I lose quality?
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 12:00 PM Yes you will. Every frame will be de-compressed and then re-compressed. Either revert back to the original AVI and re-render OR use some other program that can join MPEG files (such as TMPGenc)
Hugh DiMauro April 1st, 2004, 01:29 PM In other words, if I install a word processing program like Microsoft Word, Vegas will borrow the fonts from that program? I understand what you are saying but there have been times that I have installed Vegas on prior times without any other word processing programs and I still had no fonts missing like now. What programs besides word processors does Vegas get it's fonts from?
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 01:50 PM ANY program that installs fonts. Go to Start - Control Panel and look at the Fonts section. THOSE are the fonts on your system. What installed any particular font? Some program you installed. No way we can know WHICH program.
Vegas will happily use any font on your system - no matter where it came from. So, yes, if you install a word processor and it installs fonts, those fonts will then be available in Vegas.
You can also download true-type fonts from the web and install them. They will also be made available in Vegas.
Any particular font you're missing?
Hugh DiMauro April 1st, 2004, 01:59 PM I know for a fact I am missing Batavia and Stencil.
Todd Metzger April 1st, 2004, 02:16 PM If you google the font names with the words download, font, etc., you will find different download sites for them. Just download the file and then drop the ttf file(s) in your Windows/Fonts folder. I found Batavia in about a 1/2 second with google. Use this search string "download batavia font" and choose a site. Try the same with the stencil font.
Andy Shrimpton April 1st, 2004, 03:29 PM Hi Guys!
This maybe just Newbie Ignorance, with a simple fix, but it's frustrating the hell out of me.
I put a border (The Translucent Blue One) on, and must have clicked on something bgy mistake, and now it's solid. How do I restore the preset to it's original parameters?
Cheers,
Andy
Hugh DiMauro April 1st, 2004, 03:44 PM What's peculiar is that stencil and batavia should be in my fonts folder through Windows XP. Why in the world did Vegas not pick it up?
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 04:17 PM Those are NOT standard Windows fonts. Some program you installed in the past (but didn't install this time) had to have added them.
Do as Todd suggested and just download them from the internet.
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 04:18 PM Set all the settings the way the were originally and then hit save?
Uninstall/reinstall?
Andy Shrimpton April 1st, 2004, 04:25 PM Thanks Edward.
That's my problem, I can't remember the settings! Also, I vaguely remember try to save over a preset and not being allowed to by the program.
Uninstall / Re-install? I was hoping to avoid that.
Maybe I'll save that for when I try the .NET Framework.
btw do you ever sleep? :)
btw part II I've tried a few things with saving stills from Video, following the links I've got from hints in this forum, and I've come to the conclusion that the help I get from the people on this forum is nearly as amazing as the program itself.
A heart felt thanks for saving me time and frustration.
Andy
Don Bloom April 1st, 2004, 05:48 PM <btw do you ever sleep? >
Andy, you will find that those of us from the great state of Illinois, home to Abe Lincoln, the Stockyards, Sears Tower, O'Hare airport, the transportation hub of the US, the middle of the country, the home to so many dishonest politicians, where in 1968 the first Mayor Daley decreed 'If you can't join 'em, beat em'.... wait, I forgot what I was going to say. Oh yeah, naw, we never sleep, it too noisy what with all the planes trains automobiles and politicians filling the stratosphere with hot air!
Don B.
Edward Troxel April 1st, 2004, 09:03 PM Don, you're at the wrong end of the state. It's nice and peaceful down here in the country. Shoot, I can even see the stars!!!
BTW, Sleep? What is that?
Don Bloom April 1st, 2004, 10:09 PM Edward,
What are stars? All I see is smog!
Awww, maybe it's just automobile emissions! :-)
You know, I've driven thru your part of the state a few times, got a ticket once on 57 way down around Cairo on my way to Memphis.
Man I hate 57.
Pleasant Dreams!
Don B
Randy Stewart April 1st, 2004, 10:36 PM Andy,
If you hold the control key down when opening Vegas, it will restore all of your settings to default. Beware, all of your settings will revert to default so don't do this if you want to save some. Hope this helps.
Randy
George Brackett III April 2nd, 2004, 05:37 AM Here's a great site:
http://www.dafont.com/en/
Todd Metzger April 2nd, 2004, 06:55 AM Just make sure to read the license that comes with the font. It is usually a readme.txt file. Some fonts are only licensed for personal use and require a small fee for commercial use. If you cannot find a license for the font, I would err on the side of caution and simply not use it.
Hugh DiMauro April 2nd, 2004, 07:04 AM Hey Edward:
I think you may be right. I had added then decided not to add programs in the past and that may be why some fonts stayed and some didn't. Thanks for all of your help and patience with me.
When dealing with me, does this old adage come to mind?
"A little bit of knowledge in the hands of a moron is dangerous!"
Hugh DiMauro April 2nd, 2004, 07:08 AM Will Vegas 5.0 have any new upgrades making it worth purchasing?
Edward Troxel April 2nd, 2004, 08:48 AM I know that will change all Options - Preferences and screen layout settings but I'm not sure about the "presets". Let us know if it works.
Edward Troxel April 2nd, 2004, 08:50 AM NDA
Vince Debart April 2nd, 2004, 08:52 AM Does the amount of Ram have much to do with playing out to tape?
I know this my be a open-ended question but after the project is rendered and looks good on the PVW mode and loaded in the write to tape section, Does Ram play much of a part ..And on another issue can someone recommend a hard drive for my Dell 2350 running Vegas maybe 160 gig
Thanks
You guys are so helpful
Vince
Edward Troxel April 2nd, 2004, 09:03 AM How much RAM do you have? Generally speaking, no - RAM would not affect the outputting of the file.
Vince Debart April 2nd, 2004, 09:51 AM Thanks Edward ..at this time only 128
Vince
Bill Ravens April 2nd, 2004, 10:34 AM hmmmm....it depends. It takes RAM to render. I used to think 1 Gig was plenty, but, I've since seen some situations, like rendering individual still frames into a sequence, or RAM previewing, that really sucks up RAM. If you render and PTT in a single step, I disagree with Edward. 1 Gig is the minimum I would consider, 2 Gigs is better.
George Brackett III April 2nd, 2004, 01:09 PM I only hane 512, never had a problem. Make sure your page frame is large enough, though...
Glen Elliott April 2nd, 2004, 01:21 PM If you render and PTT in a single step, I disagree with Edward. 1 Gig is the minimum I would consider, 2 Gigs is better
I don't think ram plays a signifigant role in straight render speeds. The single most important factor is CPU. If your doing a ram render, sure it will help. Fast ram, faster ram render- more ram, the longer section you can render to ram.
When it comes to Printing to Tape ram isn't a factor at all. This is an action where you want a fast, defragged hd so you don't drop any frames on export. Though, again you don't "need" a SATA RAID 0 or the like. Things like 2 gigs of ram and Superfast HDs are hardware that will improve OVERALL performance- but in specifics in regards to Rendering to HD, and PTT are negligable.
1 Gig is the minimum I would consider, 2 Gigs is better.
People routinely run much less than 1 gig and render/ptt just fine.
Bill Ravens April 2nd, 2004, 01:34 PM If you turn on the task manager and watch the memory allocation in win XP Pro as it is rendering, you'll see the memory usage displayed. Unfortunately, the display shows total memory, including pagefile. When RAM is full, the system will automatically start swapping out with pagefile. Since the pagefile is really I/O from your hard drive, it's exceedingly slow. So, if you exhaust RAM, you WILL start writing to the pagefile and everything will grind to the speed of molasses. Monitor your memory useage, you'll see when, during the render process, the RAM is exceeded. As I said earlier, it's a function of what kind of rendering is going on. Some transitions and special effects really suck up RAM. For most things, you're right, but, for the few FX that really start crunching, your render time will jump up most noticeably. Agreed, 512 is the MINIMUM I would want to work with, 1 Gig is great if you can afford it, 2 Gig is the best, for those rare FX renders. PTT doesn't require rendering, this is true. but, if you render first, it'll take RAM. BTW, if you're running other programs, they all use RAM. It's possible to have all your RAM committed to other programs and none left for V4. If you have only 512 Megs of RAM, you'd better be real careful about what system utilities and services are running in the background.
Edward Troxel April 2nd, 2004, 01:43 PM Now that we know how much you have, yes, you can probably improve some performance with more RAM.
If Vegas, you'll find you need the most need for RAM is when doing RAM Previews. For other activities such as rendering and PTT, it's only working on a limited number of frames at any one time and, therefore, doesn't require much memory.
I have one machine with 256 Meg and one with 1 Gig. Render time IS faster on the 1 Gig machine but the processor is over 4 times faster as well. For rendering and PTT, I'd look at CPU speed and drive access speed first.
Jamison Olivieri April 2nd, 2004, 06:02 PM Can someone tell me were to download the script to run "WAX"?
Jean-Philippe Archibald April 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM Follow up.
Rob, thak you, I have reinstalled Directx 9 and WMP and all is working fine now! But I don't know why........
Andy Shrimpton April 2nd, 2004, 09:26 PM Thanks Randy,
I'll give it a go when I get home tonight and post tomorrow.
cheers,
Andy
P.S. Edward: I got the DOT NET Framwork happening, will be diving into scripts soon. Thanks to all and sundry for help on this one.
Also Edward, got another question to post in a few hours, if you have time would appreciate your input on that one too.
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