View Full Version : Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)
Edward Troxel April 6th, 2004, 01:43 PM I don't know if Scenalyzer adds any watermarks to the audio. If not, just add the video captured in Vegas and the audio captured in Scenalyzer - then make sure they're in sync! That should solve your problem for now.
Vegas will not capture the second stereo audio channel. That's why I originally bought Scenalyzer - which can capture the video and BOTH stereo channels in one pass.
However, for $33, if it solves your problem, it's a VERY SMALL price to pay.
James Nyfeler April 6th, 2004, 04:28 PM Chris, thanks for posting this. I have a few comments:
1. Use a tripod. The jerky movement was unsettling.
2. Don't zoom in & out -- it looks too homevideoish.
3. Watch out for the fast & inconsistent panning
4. When you were focusing on a subject, I found it disconcerting to see them talk when you couldn't hear them.
5. This type of venture might work well with a healthy dosage of slow motion (that is, if it is about this length and just set to music).
6. I liked some of the shots -- especially the fog or clouds (I guess fog is a cloud!)
And, finally, I am sure that there is a story that you're trying to tell, but I don't know what it is. If you don't use voiceovers, you can still use titles. Off the top of my head, I'd want to know things like:
- is this is first time walking on the Appalachian trail?
- Why is he doing it?
- How far does he go each day?
- What is the weather like (highs/lows during his trip)
- Does he do any of this alone, or is it with the same people throughout?
- How many people have done this?
- How much preparation did this take?
- Did he face any particular hardships?
This is the type of project that can take on a life of it's own, and before you know it, you can be trying to edit it down to an hour, so it just depends on what you're trying to do with it.
Also, I did like the music.
If you like doing this, then please, keep doing it. Follow your dream.
Michael Wisniewski April 6th, 2004, 04:47 PM Same comments/questions as James
but I do want to know, why did you choose the carrion eating bird as the ending, is there any significance to it?
it felt like an inside joke, tribute, or just some random ending
Glen Elliott April 6th, 2004, 05:15 PM The only other input I can provide is in regards to pacing. I found some of your shots a bit long. Especially present during the shot inside the car...it was almost like you were drawing it out waiting for the peak in the song. Also once that peak in the song hits try using a "flash" transition...I feel it would be more impactfull than a page flip. Otherwise good second effort- keep up the hard work!
Scott Curts April 6th, 2004, 05:25 PM I'm a Vegas user, working with an Avid producer. I'm working on the audio of an indie film and scoring the music. He wants to give me the project files as OMF, but, I'm finding that Vegas does not support this file format. Why doesn't Vegas support this file and what are anyones thoughts on how I can work with my producer on this project?
thanks for your help.
Edward Troxel April 6th, 2004, 08:14 PM How about this:
http://www.cuibono-soft.com/Store/EDL_Convert_Pro_v3/edl_convert_pro_v3.html
Chris Hendrick April 6th, 2004, 09:03 PM The Hawk at the end was... just a thought I had. The end of the thing it caught and the end of the video.
I have to learn how to not pan! and Zoom. :)
The whole idea behind the Video was - To say goodbye to a friend going away for 6 months on the Trail.
Thanks for all the feedback
Chris
I'm off to GA tomm for 8 Day's to start Hiking the AT with Bill I'm sure going to use the tips for the video I shoot there.
Peter Jefferson April 6th, 2004, 09:07 PM Douglas/Jay
Is there any word on an Australian launch or get together?
I have afew suppliers who would be interested in gathering afew people here in Sydney, and im sure there are many other Aus users out there who would be interested in something like as well.
any info would be greatly appreciated.
Rob Lohman April 7th, 2004, 01:00 AM I'm out of suggestions for this particular problem, Peter. Sorry.
Uncompressed doesn't use any codec at all, so that can't be a
problem.
Douglas Spotted Eagle April 7th, 2004, 02:12 AM Peter,
It's looking fairly good that we'll be coming to Australia again with the VASST tour. Working that out now, for the summer. As far as launches go, that's handled by a different division of Sony, so they wouldn't likely comment to us at Sundance Media Group/VASST on their launch plans for down under....I'll ask about it though!
Peter Jefferson April 7th, 2004, 02:22 AM pls do!!!
it would be great to get a conglomerant (spelling?) down here to demo the new tools...
i used to go to the SoFo support forums for updates and info, but since sony took over, ive been a lil lax...
But in all honesty, theres just so much speculation out there, that i have decided to just wait until its released and i can get my hands on a demo or someone writes up a review :)
Rob Lohman April 7th, 2004, 02:48 AM If you want full movement then the only way is rotoscoping and
adding 3D rendered objects with a 3D package. I remember seeing
a tutorial for Lightwave on such a thing once. But searching on
the world "building" in this regard doesn't yield very usable
results.
Peter Jefferson April 7th, 2004, 02:58 AM Vegas second colour corrector has a masking object which allows you to allocate the colour ( i thnk its the colour from memory, but i believe u can elect to mask an area "area" im not in front of it nwo so im not too sure, its teh eye dropper on teh left hand side...
anways, from here u can creat a mask of the background then crop a layer (for each building)
each building can then be motion tracked and then affected with something like Pixelan flow texture or someone within vegas to create the movement (swirl or tv simulator for teh waxy effect) (for EACH building) and you background will remain ok :)
Last time i did something like this was when V4 first came out, so i may have left out a step, but its similar to rotoscoping in Combustion (which is what i use now)
Peter Jefferson April 7th, 2004, 03:06 AM One thing I have noticed is that if your mpgs are constant bitrate, the degradation is minimized...
Peter Jefferson April 7th, 2004, 07:35 AM okies, i havent really done any research into this, but im lookin at it..
what i want to do is upsample my footage to 1080x720 25p HD
vegas lets me do this with project settings, and then i can edit and output using dvda.. no probs...
but is there something im missing???
something just seems left out.. i mean.. wouldnt dvda drop the resolution back down to 720x576?? UNLESS i specify it to retain the original project settings..
i havent had a chance to experiment.. i was just wondering if anyone had already tried this??
Vince Debart April 7th, 2004, 08:42 AM I have put together a 4 min. video with cuts 2 transitions and a very basic CG. After render and play out to tape I want to add some music. I go back to the timeline set the courser to the first frame of video insert a new audio track audio #2 ..”#1 is the nat sound from the camera” .. As I try to place the music track on the timeline the video and the audio track get bumped back to the end of the new music track. Can someone tell me why..
And on another matter when I try to rip audio from the CD ROM Vegas sees only my CD/RW drive and it takes a long time to rip the cut. Anyway I can get Vegas to see the CD ROM instead. I looked at the drop down menu it sees the CD/RW or NONE
Thanks
Vince
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 08:57 AM Try turning OFF Ripple. Either push the button on the toolbar or press CTRL-L.
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 08:59 AM <<<-- Originally posted by Vince Debart : And on another matter when I try to rip audio from the CD ROM Vegas sees only my CD/RW drive and it takes a long time to rip the cut. Anyway I can get Vegas to see the CD ROM instead. I looked at the drop down menu it sees the CD/RW or NONE
Thanks
Vince -->>>
WHAT dropdown box did you look at? The one on the CD Capture screen? Or the one in preferences?
Vince Debart April 7th, 2004, 09:29 AM CD I think Iwill check when I get home.. I will try the ripple too
Thanks Edward
Vince
Mark Richman April 7th, 2004, 11:47 AM Is anyone getting a full 2 hours of video on DVD with Vegas + DVD?
What settings are you using?
Thanks in advance,
Mark
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 11:55 AM Yes. Read my newsletter. I talk about the settings I use and give a bitrate chart.
http://www.jetdv.com/tts
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 11:57 AM Mark, I see you're from Orlando. You going to be there on May 21st? I'm working on getting an informal get-together of Vegas users on that day. I'll be arriving in Orlando that afternoon.
Chris Moore April 7th, 2004, 12:00 PM Is Vegas The only NLE that can do the zooming into pictures? I have not been able to find any info on other programs able to do this. One guy told me vegas did it easier than other progams.
Chris Moore April 7th, 2004, 12:06 PM What is the best product to learn vegas 4.0 throughly? Ive played with the demo. Some things come easy others look like a difficult task. I want something where its not really basic but also not talking about things Ive never heard of. Can anyone help me?
Jean-Philippe Archibald April 7th, 2004, 12:26 PM A good way to do your first steps in vegas is to have a look at this thread http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20830 and print the quick reference guide.
Keith Loh April 7th, 2004, 12:32 PM After Effects can do that easily.
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 12:33 PM I would do multiple things. First READ THE MANUAL - that's always a good first step. You can also look at my newsletters http://www.jetdv.com/tts especially at the "Beginner's Corner" sections. Douglas Spotted Eagle has both a book and DVD training set. Gary Kleiner has a DVD training set. And, of course, are forums such as this one.
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 12:36 PM Vegas does it very easily. I explain how to do it in detail in Vol. 1 Issue #8 of my newsletter http://www.jetdv.com/tts. Other NLE's CAN also do it, however.
Jim Lafferty April 7th, 2004, 01:12 PM Link doesn't work :/
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 02:05 PM Does for me. Just tried it. How about this one:
http://www.cuibono-soft.com/Products/products.html
Vince Debart April 7th, 2004, 02:36 PM The ripple was It..on the CD it was in the one in preferences
Any ideas
Thanks
Vince
Vince Debart April 7th, 2004, 02:41 PM Chris
I am learning it too the book and this forum are very helpful
So far for me it’s easier then Avid
Good luck
Vince
Jay Mitchell April 7th, 2004, 02:51 PM There is still time to register for Free NAB Exhibition Floor Passes.
Just follow the directions, below.
--- In SoCalVegasUsers@yahoogroups.com, "jmstein" wrote:
Here is the Free Registration Link for NAB Exhibition Floor Passes.
1. http://ww4.expocard.com/nab041/ShowOnly
2. Enter Code: JZ10
3. Enter Your Personal Info
4. You will get an email confirmation
You may register as many persons as you need.
--Jay Mitchell
Edward Troxel April 7th, 2004, 02:55 PM Yes, click on Extract Audio from CD. Below the big white area in the middle is a drop down box. It should list both drives.
David Mintzer April 7th, 2004, 11:22 PM Pretty much all the prosumer and up NLE's can do the Ken Burnn's effect---Vegas, in my mind is the most functional in this regard.
Peter Jefferson April 8th, 2004, 02:07 AM strange, i think its actualy the HD configuration...
Theyre ntfs drives, but the only way i can play these files (after being rendered) is within the Vegas timeline (so printing to tape is straigh off avi from teh timeline, not vidcap), no other editor will acknowledge the files actual duration either...
Peter Jefferson April 8th, 2004, 02:10 AM individual clip track motions work wonders here..
another trick is to layer a looping clip under the main image slideshow.. this way any gaps caused will be filled with this.. and another trick is to lower the opacity of the slideshow track and use a light coloured texture animated with pixellan flowtexture... this is good for weddings :)
Rob Lohman April 8th, 2004, 03:01 AM I'm not sure what you are trying to do here Peter. DVD-Video
doesn't support HD resolutions. So yes, DVD Architect will
re-encode the video to 720x576 (PAL) or 720x480 (NTSC).
So all you've done is add hours upon hours of re-encoding and
losing quality to gain absolutely nothing.
The only way to distribute HD to someone else at this point in
time is to use MPEG2-HD (which no DVD player to the best of
my knowledge supports yet including all authoring applications
since it isn't a DVD standard) or WM9 HD. The latter can be
burned on a DVD-Data disc or as an extra file on a DVD-Video
and there 2 players (I belief) out there that can play that back.
Other then that there is also D-VHS which is HD if I'm not mistaken.
Again, not a lot of people have players for that and I'm not sure
how you would get your HD footage from your computer on to it.
Then again, since you are usampling your footage, why not keep
it SD? I don't see any advantage to upsample which costs you a
lot of time and then you basically have nothing to distribute it
on.
People with HD TV's or projectors might have a DVD player that
will upsample (in realtime) the SD footage to HD or have a special
upsampler in their chain.
Rob Lohman April 8th, 2004, 03:15 AM Also see this thread (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23870)
Peter Jefferson April 8th, 2004, 03:40 AM much appreciated rob.. i guess therres alot i gotta learn about hd :)
Jim Lafferty April 8th, 2004, 09:39 AM Might've just been down -- anyhow it works fine now -- thanks!
Jamison Olivieri April 8th, 2004, 03:58 PM Hey Im having a problem with capturing my footage. I cue my devie and start capturing and after about 20 second absolutley everything stalls even the mouse and keyboard i can't even shut down i have to turn off the power switch. I have lost many files over this and i really would like to know what to do to fix this problem. If i uninstall and reload the software do i loose my vegas files? Is there anyother way i could fix this?
Steve Leone April 8th, 2004, 05:54 PM The OMF files are in fact the MEDIA files that AVID uses.....it is a proprietary media format
Unlike othe NLE's, Avid does not use the OS native filing system...instead it creates a chain of arbitrarily named
OMF files...I believe Avid developed this system because 10 years ago quicktime and Video for Windows did not have the stuff to do real NTSC video....
....if you wish to recreate the project on your Vegas machine, try having your client output a generic(text) edl, then import that into your vegas project as an edl...then re-digitise the media onto your system...if all you are doing is scoring, it wont matter much if the transition s are the same type; Vegas will replace any transition other than a cut with a dissolve by default, but you can always change that if you like.
The other thing you can do is have the client export the timeline as an avi or MPG-2 file, then burn it on a disc(DVD?) ..then just drop the file onto your timeline and start to score.....that would only work if the aquistion footage timecode is not critical.
Good Luck
Edward Troxel April 8th, 2004, 07:42 PM Uninstalling and reinstalling will not remove or harm any of your AVI files. As for what's causing the problem, it's very hard to say.
Jamison Olivieri April 8th, 2004, 09:15 PM Yeah i know that uninstaling the program won't remove my avi but will it remove my project files? If so could i save my project files on a disk and when im done uninstalling and reinstalling could i load my saved files from a cd?
Emre Safak April 9th, 2004, 12:20 AM I recently had to format the HD. After reinstallation I now get the message
"An error occurred starting Vegas. The reason for the error could not be determined."
It was working fine before...should I reinstall it yet again?
James Nyfeler April 9th, 2004, 04:46 AM I'm working on a short video montage for my daughter's 16th birthday. There are a small number of songs that I'd like to include, but I don't want to buy the whole CD, so I thought "hey, perfect. I'll just download each individual track for a buck off of one of the many sites out there." So, I download a song or two, and try to import the media into my NLE (Vegas), and I get an error due to the fact that the file has copy protection. Is there any way I can use this song in my NLE, or do I have to purchase the CD? Is there a site that offers non-copy protected versions? I don't mind paying more, I just want the file to be useful.
I know all about the copyright issues, but this production truly is for personal use only.
Nick Jushchyshyn April 9th, 2004, 05:25 AM But the music DOES play from your MP3 device, right ??
You could get a wire to connect the output of this to your sound card and record the audio to an AVI.
Not "perfect" duplicate, but it should take care of the video.
Have fun.
Rob Lohman April 9th, 2004, 05:55 AM No, it will not remove your project files either. But to be safe it is
always good to back those up anyway (to a CD for example).
Let's return to the basics first:
1) what computer hardware do you have (brand, CPU, memory, harddisk(s) [brand, size], other equipement like burners, extra expansion cards like capture boards etc.
2) which operating system and what version are you running
3) what card are you using to capture? (full blown capture card, el cheapo firewire card, builtin firewire port etc.)
My first thought would be whether you have DMA enabled. But
such things are really impossible to tell with an as detailed as
possible description from you regarding what you have in your
system, what you run and how you use it.
Rob Lohman April 9th, 2004, 05:59 AM What OS are you running? I re-install can't hurt, so try it out.
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