Maybe that's because it was originally captured at 48Khz and setting the project's audio setting to 44.1Khz required a conversion, and hence extra space.

I have a clip where someone walks accross the screen and I want to mask that persons movement.

It seems that even when I mask the first and last frames and set keyframes for those two points that Vegas does not seem to interpolate any keyframe movement.

What happens is I get the first frame masked as I expect and the mask stays still until the last frame when it jumps to the second mask I created.

Does Vegas not really do keyframed bezier masks or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,

KIM

It seems to interpolate between two positions for me. Is it possible that your keyframe type is "Hold"?

nope. they are set to linear. I was hoping it was something goofy like that though.

the keyframes appear on the "mask" line within the event pan/crop.

This is the right place isn't it?

Maybe I need to post an example to show what I am doing?

I was talking about the keyframes on the timeline at the bottom of the Pan/Crop box (to the right of the checkbox and the word "mask"). I wasn't referring the the mask points of the mask itself.

Anybody ever outputted PAL from Vegas when the original source was 30p?

I would appreciate knowing how Vegas handles such a job.

Thanks.

Graham

I have 3 tracks

1) Generated Text
2) Generated Media (black screen)
3) Gif file

So what I'm doing is the generated black color and text is using the 16:9 crop so that the Gif file background shows up as the borders on the top and bottom. The problem is that when I do a transition such as Fade Through Black on the generated text, the whole screen fades to black including my borders. I've tried to make parent/childs but I can't seem to figure it out where the transitions only affect the generated text and not mess with the borders.

I have 3 tracks

1) Generated Text
2) Generated Media (black screen)
3) Gif file

So what I'm doing is the generated black color and text is using the 16:9 crop so that the Gif file background shows up as the borders on the top and bottom. The problem is that when I do a transition such as Fade Through Black on the generated text, the whole screen fades to black including my borders. I've tried to make parent/childs but I can't seem to figure it out where the transitions only affect the generated text and not mess with the borders.

Why do you have the black card? Are you using it as background for your transparent text?

Unless you want the text to show over something else, you can use text with a black background instead of transparent. Will save you a track.

No way around the fade through black, but you can cross-dissolve with a black card (on the same track, cropped to 16:9), and it should give you the same effect.

Sounds like you may have a double keyframe at the end.Try next and previous to see,then delete the previous one.

Try deleting the last keyframe and then re-insert it with the plus key, then move it where you want it. It won't interpolate between keyframes if the Bezier path is not a modification of an existing one, e.g. if you delete the path on the second kyframe and then re-create it, it won't work.

halo,

anyone know of plugins other than deshake and boris that will stabilize a shaky .m2t?

At the high end, 2D3 Steadymove.

http://www.2d3.com/jsp/products/product-overview.jsp?product=11

Thanks all. ANDY - that appears to be exactly the problem I have caused myself.

Thanks!!!!

The reason I created a new one is that I found it faster to do than modifying the one I had. Bad shortcut huh? Guess I better RTFM again.

LOL.

KIM

I posted it here also and still looking for answers http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=439707#post439707

After eding in Vegas with the Cineform intermeidate codec do I convert it back to the original m2t file prior to printing to hdv tape??

Thanks

If you are printing back to tape, then the file format on output must match what the camera requires. In other words, yes; it must be rendered to m2t to print back to HDV tape.

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?


I keep mines in the cineform intermeidate format and go to sd dvd it looks good.

All it is is just swaping or replacing the m2t files right?

Thanks again Douglas!

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?

The best thing to do is render to 16x9 (widescreen) SD MPEG2, and make sure your DVD authoring software is capable of processing this correctly. The end result should be a disc which fills a 16x9 screen without distortion when played on a DVD player which is set for 16x9 output, and plays with black bars on the top and bottom when played to a 4x3 TV.

Handles it very well, I discovered this evening.

When I render out an uncompressed avi as progressive 16:9 and bring the clip back into Vegas, it defaults to upper field first with aspect ratio 1. It's really annoying to have to right click and change the field order and aspect ratio every time, is there a reason it isn't recognising the field order and aspect ratio?

You mean bring it back to the same project or a new project. What are your default project properties?

In the project properties dialog box there's a button (folder symbol) for matching media settings. Click on it and then point to your rendered progressive file and the project properties will match those of the file.

You could always burn to blue-ray, release of Samsungs drive is due in April. My fingers are crossed, LOL

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-11258-SH-B022A%2C+Samsungs+DVD+of+the+future+%28News+by+Nikko%29.html

Hi,

I have always had the same issue with Vegas - render to a 'Progressive' Windows .AVI using Vegas and Vegas will still insist that the file is 'Upper Field First' when attempting to detect the file properties in your Project Settings. Is there a problem with the render or the detection?

As a matter of fact I have never had any reasonable explanation from anyone over the years as to why Vegas does not correctly detect the field order of a file or is it really Vegas that is wrong?

I have had this issue creating files with Boris RED 3GL, MainConcept's MainVision 1.1, Combustion 4, etc. etc. and the problem is that you never know which application is at fault i.e. is Boris RED 3GL (for example) REALLY creating a file which is 'Lower Field First' (as you specified) or is Vegas detecting the field order (and other information) incorrectly?

On numerous occasions I have had to use something like TMPGenc to view the file frame by frame (or field by field) to try and detect the correct field order and even that is not foolproof.

Any comments?

Regards,

Dale.

I have always had the same issue with Vegas - render to a 'Progressive' Windows .AVI using Vegas and Vegas will still insist that the file is 'Upper Field First' when attempting to detect the file properties in your Project Settings. Is there a problem with the render or the detection?

I've just tried it out and I don't have this issue in Vegas 6.0d with PAL DV. When I match my project settings to my deintrlaced AVI file, I get Field order: None (progressive scan).

What version are you using?

Hello,

Using 6.0d.

Dale.

Just did some further testing for interest sake:

It does not matter what field order you specify in your render template - if you output to Video For Windows / Uncompressed .AVI Vegas ALWAYS detects the Field Order as 'Upper Field First' regardless of what field order you used in your render template.

Regards,

Dale.

1. how come sometimes I can't ripple delete? its not lit up, rather, its greyed out...nothing seems to be in the way, but it won't let me, i have select the tracks and then I can move them around...
2. is there anyway to do picture in picture...imagine a TV show...in the bottom right corner the person doing sight language....possible in Vegas? sure..but how?
3. I have a music track on the timeline, i want to fade about 10 seconds of it for dialogue and then bring it back up, how do i add keyframes to do so? I don't want to split the track, just can't see any other option than lower the whole volume...
thanks for any help
cheers
Q

All it is is just swaping or replacing the m2t files right?No. It is physically rendering the intermediary to an M2T file which you print to tape. Do not get this confused with swapping the media in the media pool to M2T. It is not the same thing. Either way, the trip back to tape requires you to render all of your edits to the format of the camera which, in this case, is M2T.

~jr

1. Don't know why you sometimes can't ripple after delete. Sometimes Vegas doesn't do what you'd expect because the focus isn't in the correct area - try Alt-0 to bring focus to the tracks. Do click on the little triangle next to the ripple button and check out the various ripple options. There are also keyboard shortcuts that many Vegas editors prefer to the ripple button. Check the keyboard shortcuts section in the help file for "F" key combinations for "post edit ripple".

2. PIP is easy with Vegas. Put the "insert" in a top video track and your "background" video in a track below. Click the track motion button (two squares with an arrow) in the header of the "insert" video track and drag the size and position of the wireframe there, while watching your video preview. Some juggling of window sizes and positions may be neccessary to see both. Two displays is really nice. You'll need to learn about "sync cursor" and keyframes to make most effective use of this control, check out the help file.

3. Music fade - also easy. Insert a volume envelope by highlighting the music track, right click the track header, pull down to insert volume envelope. Now there's a blue line through the middle of your music track. Double click on the line to create ummm... anchors? What does Vegas call them? Points? You'll need four of them to duck the music under a piece of dialog, two to define each volume change. Make them, drag them around, they are easy and versatile.

For more information on creating a PIP, you might take a look at the first few issues of my newsletters.

For deleting with ripple, make sure you have the proper ripple mode set or use the appropriate Post Ripple Edit mode. Just do a search for "ripple" in the help file.

Volume envelopes are definitely very flexible. You can quickly add one to any selected audio tracks by pressing "V" and then add points as needed to adjust the volume levels.

You can use the Pixel Tracker in Bauhaus Mirage to lock a pixel down and motion stabilize your footage. I’ve used this on HDV footage and it works quite well. Here is a link to the pixel tracking (http://www.bauhaussoftware.com/tutorials/pixeltracking/CONTROL_Pixel_tracking.htm) tutorial on their web site. This is just a fraction of what this tool can do.

~jr

1. I dunno, I can't help except that maybe you've selected Manual Post-Edit Ripple and the system is waiting for you to do something it can Ripple and then it will highlight the button to let you Ripple. Vegas manual page 110.

2. See Edward Troxels' Newsletter and page 285 in the Vegas manual. The Newsletter Index is here (http://www.jetdv.com/vegas/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54).
Vol 1 #02 - March 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 1
Vol 1 #03 - April 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 2
Vol 1 #04 - April 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 3

3. Add a Volume Envelope to the Audio track, create two points at the beginning of where you want the volume to ramp down and two more at the end where you want the volume to ramp back up. Then just pull the Volume line down between the center two points. Page 163 in the Vegas manual.

these all look complicated.

i bet you can create a cheaper alternative john! =). doesn't vegas itself have some rudimentary motion trackings?

Tracking is not a rudimentary task at all! It's an important branch of compositing and rotoscoping. An art unto itself.

really appreciate all of you taking the time to answer
cheers
Q

Boyd,

Which DVD recorder do you use?

I mostly (always, really) do 16x9 projects. Everything works fine in Vegas 6 except that the preview monitor on the desk top squezzes it to 4x3. I have a dual monitor set up, display 1 is a 19" Sony LCD, display 2 is a 17" Sony CRT. If I have the preview on "external monitor" toggled on, it displays on the 17" crt monitor - but in an exagerated wide format, soomething like stretching 16x9 to 2.35 or more. What is more interesting is that if I undock the Vegas monitor and move it to display #2, it displays in correct 16x9 format. Both monitors are operating at 1280 x 1024. Project properties are NTS DV Widescreen 720x480, Pixel aspect 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen). Any one else have this problem?

I'm in the process of trying to decide which one to purchase. Is the video quality of one better (jaggies on text) better than the other? Any advice from anyone who has used these pgms would be appreciated.
thanks in advance

Try right-clicking on the preview monitor and checking "simulate output device aspect ratio".

Have you tried them both? It would be best to find which one works best for you/matches your workflow. For example, Heroglyph integrates directly into Vegas while BluffTitler is a standalone. As for quality, they should both do a great job for you.

I've been admiring the works of Nicholas Bartlett on the FX-1 forum.

It's amazing what he is doing with his FX and his Kona LH card. Check out http://www.pixelloft.com/akala.htm. I like the video and the way he shoots for his FX-1. You can check out his 3LFlex music video for "behind the scenes" shots to get a better understanding of lighting for a camera.

This got me to thinking about working in the HDV format...

If everything I've heard of and read about is correct. It's easier to work in HD format than in the HDV format. It should be easier to edit in Vegas 6.0, as well. How about on the Vegas Movie Platnum? Is there a work around to work in HD on the Movie Platnum version? The comparison chart for Vegas shows that only the Pro version supports HD editing. Platnum only supports HDV.

Using my ATI Radion X900 card which supports HD component in, I should be able to record HD content.

While this would not be a Kona card, should it work about the same for capture? I mean compression wise, 4:2:2 color, etc...

Again, I have only used Vegas Movie Platum to edit HDV content, once. Right now, I'm just working in Standard DV with the system and I don't have access to 6.0 and don't want to install a demo version to test this.

I'm in a delima here. I decided to buy DVFilm Maker in order to convert the 60i footage shot with my PD170's to 24P. I'm not doing this for the love of 24P or anything. I like 60i fine but I need to pan and scan on some footage I have in a current project and DVFilmMakers conversion of interlace to progressive was the best I've seen for the price. Plus I get the added advantage of faster render times. (If you don't take into account the conversion process :-))

So I converted all my footage and rendered out a MPEG-2 for DVD Architec 24P. When I get the final DVD burned it won't play at all on Sony PlayStation or any of the the other stand alone dvd players I have here at the house. The menu comes up and you can select scenes but when you start the video it runs a second or two the pauses about 3 to 5 seconds and repeats. The 60i NTSC version I rendered doesn't do this. I can run the 24P dvd off my hard drive or computer dvd drive. Am I wrong in assuming normal DVD players can handle 24P? I guess they have to be progressive scan?

I have had problems with stuttering 60i DVD's before but found if I burned them at the slowest speed available (2.4x) they would play normally. I burned these on -R's and +R's of three different brands (Maxell, Memorex, and Sony - they all probably came from the same manufacturer in Taiwan.) and there was no difference in the stuttering on the 24P version.

I'm whipping out a 60i MPEG-2 version of the 24P project to try now. It is projecting more that 12 hours render time when the 24P went for 2.5 hours.

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong???

Vegas 5. DVD Arch 2. LiteOn 812s with a firmware patch up to an 832S now. I tried new firmware but it made no difference.

I have a PNG "lower third" graphic I use all the time. Instead of using the Explorer and navigating to it for each new project, I'd like to make it a permanent part of the Media Generators tab. Is this possible? I'm using Vegas 5.

All Hollywood movies are laid down to DVD in 24p, so the 24p isn't the problem. This has been the case since the early days.

Maybe you just had a bum render when you tried the 24p version? Could have been a glitch somewhere? Can you try rendering the project from DVDA again?

Maybe it was a bad burn? Did you try burning the 24p project to a different disc?

Maybe it was a defective disc?

Unless you deleted it, you should still have the prepared 24p project on your HDD, so you could try another burn.

HDV is a form of HD, so the question is whether you'd benefit from converting to some other HD codec. If your video card has HD component in then you'd have to know what format it uses to capture and edit HD video, and that might not be any better than working directly in HDV.

I don't know of a way to add a PNG to a generated media list. That's typically what people use the Media Manager for.

I did three burns on three different brands with the same result each time. I only did one of the 60i burns so maybe my DVD burner is crapping out and I got lucky on the 60i burn??? This was 1 hour 37 minute program and it had to be re-compressed to fit but so did the 60i version. I burned 4 of my Demo DVD's as test cases. They are 60i and all worked fine but they only have about 15 minutes of video. I'm very puzzled. It acts like its a read problem or bandwith problem. The video image looks excellent. I have ordered some Taiyo Yuden DVD's since they seem to have a good reputation.

HDV is a form of HD, so the question is whether you'd benefit from converting to some other HD codec. If your video card has HD component in then you'd have to know what format it uses to capture and edit HD video, and that might not be any better than working directly in HDV.

Reading about it so far, I guess DVCPRO-HD is better then HDV. The 4:2:2 color or something like that is a lot better in quality as well, when working with Green screen, etc, etc...(From what I read about Nicholas Bartlett and his using the DVCPRO-HD format and the others agreeing with it.

I'm not a pro and I'd gladly just work with HDV format. It's working with my Vegas Movie Platnum format but it does take time.

I am just curious if it could be done with the Platnum and if there was some way of doing it.

My graphics card has component and cable input. It's built to receive HD content to record with the ATI program. I guess I should read up on the graphics card and see how it saves the HD format. I'm guessing it'll be H.264 format?

VV6.0 editing 1080/24p, 1920 x 1080 -> .mov or .avi and rendered video is choppy/slow. I assume its my video monitor and /or video card. What is the best video monitor / card for this type of editing. PC is 3.0ghz, 2.0 gb Ram WinXP SP2. . .Thanks.

Edward, I've tried the demo of both versions. I like the way heroglyph integrates with vegas but BluffTitler seems to be a little more versatile with respect to creativity. I'm leaning on Heroglyph though. Thanks for your input.