Old thread, but new news.

I just received the Pyro A/V Link from B&H, and the used Polaroid 20" LCD TV arrived the same day. Wired them up (firewire from Vegas to Pyro, component to TV), and it works. Beautiful colors from the preview screen.

thanks for the info.

Scott

OK, so VEGAS has been great for capture and Edit of JVC HD10 and DV footage.

Next big question: how to capture HDV format from HD100? Is this possible?

Also capture from FX1?

Thanks,

Ed

OK, so VEGAS has been great for capture and Edit of JVC HD10 and DV footage.

Next big question: how to capture HDV format from HD100? Is this possible?

Also capture from FX1?

Thanks,

Ed

Vegas does great with the HD100, and does great with the FX1. Having both JVC HD100U, and having several Z1 cams, plus A1 cams, and the Canon...Vegas manages them all well.

I've searched through the existing posts, with no luck.

I've created several flash files and when I bring them in to the Vegas 6.0 time line the colors are shifted and everything has a deep red hue.

I've created a file in Swishmax and tried saving as multiple versions (flash v5 and v4) at multiple frame rates, and tweaked just about every setting I could find.

I created another file in Satish's Wink, which doesn't allow you to change the flash type of export and doesn't state which version it renders as.

The files play just fine on the time line but everything is really red. One the simplier file (swish) I can easily correct it but the Wink file consists of mulitple screenshots for training purposes and there are far too many colors going on.

If I select the "disable resample" swith on the clip properties it gets even redder, and the other resample switches have no effect.

Any idea what the heck is going on here?

I am an SD film-maker thinking of switching to Premiere. Am I alone in thinking that development of Vegas has stalled since Sony bought SonicFoundry? I adore the Vegas UI, but Premiere seems a whole lot more powerful, especially when paired with After Effects 7.0. When is Vegas 7.0 due anyway?

I am using Vegas 6c and have finished an HDCam offline. I am trying to print a .edl to give to my online editor. Vegas CAN'T do it? Help

Jeff

First, Vegas didn't at ALL stall; it grew. Significantly.
Second, as a Premiere beta team member, and user of PP2.0, it's still not Vegas. The only thing, IMO, that makes it better than Vegas, is the Photoshop/After Effects integration. Multicam is a huge PITA, and who cares about much of the other stuff. Timeline creation of DVDs? So what? Pinnacle has been doing it for a long, long time. Stability is an issue, but not a huge one.
Bottom line....if you've been using Premiere, it's good for you because you're finally getting some much needed improvements. If you're not using Premiere, especially if you like the Vegas GUI, no reason at all to switch or start using it. But that's my very biased opinion.

Try using one of the AAF choices (or try BOTH). Will either of these work in your other program?

If you use the squeeze widescreen mode of the XM2, just set your Vegas project file to DV PAL Widescreen. If you use the Capture utility of Vegas to get the footage from the camera into Vegas, there is some option where you can set the pixel width (1 or 1.4 or something like that).
When you render to let's say MPEG2, use a PAL Widescreen DVD Architect template. When you've filmed in frame mode with the XM2 (the pseudo-progressive video of the XM2), change the template by changing the interlaced/field order option to none/progressive. Change that option also in your Vegas project settings, to match them everywhere. It's as simple as that.

x2 3800, 1gb RAM, x700 PCIe, etc. smooth as butter.

Seems like Vegas doesn't have the ability to export edl's. I did an HD offline in Vegas 6c and now need to get the online done. The online guy wanted an .edl to import but Vegas doesn't support that. Anybody have any tricks to match up edit points without having to print a decision list and manually rebuild the edit?

Jeff

Vegas can export both CMX EDLs and AAF, with legacy Avid support as well. Have you tried either of those options? Exporting to FCP and Avid are no issue for cuts/dissolves only work from Vegas 5/6 for us.

How do you do that? I thought you go to SAVE AS and select the file type. My only options in 6C are edl.txt, aaf and aaf for avid. I caled Sony support and they said there is no support for exporting edl. Help Quick! I'm just about to sit down and manual list timecodes!

Thanks DSE

Jeff

CMX is done via a script. Look under Tools - Scripting - Export EDL

To what application are you exporting? I'm doing aaf to FCP and Avid.
The .txt EDL should be importable by most any app, it's just a CMX listing.
From Sony tech support:

Files:
Quicktime, & by extension FCP, can open/convert a Vegas YUV .avi- it'll turn it into a Quicktime file that can be read by FCP if the Decklink QT codecs are installed on the Mac. (Vegas 4:2:2 YUV files can be read by BMD 4:2:2 YUV, close level match all around, just let QT import/convert).

Project interchange:
Automatic Duck (cool product, cool guys) provides an AAF interchange tool for FCP 5 (plus some legacy versions of FCP). This will let you transfer an n-track project to/from Vegas, Premiere Pro, Avid (all), PT (all modern w/ digitranslator), and lots of other platforms. As of today AAF is the best project interchange method in terms of broad app compatibility. Save out the AAF with media, import into Vegas, when done, save out the AAF with media, send to the Duck, open in FCP.

Thanks guys,

This is all new to me but the online program he's using is called Speed Razor. I never heard of it before and all he needs is a simple CMX file to build the edit and the folks at Sony actually told me that Vegas doesn't support exporting this file type. I actually spent 99.95 for a 6 month tech support for that info. I will try the script.

Thanks guys.

Jeff

Hi

This probably sounds really dodgy but it's not. I installed the 30 day trial of Vegas 6 about 2 months ago with a view to comparing it to Premiere - I'm fairly new to higher end packages. With the recent Christmas holidays I didn't really get chance to use it - now it's expired and I can't reinstall the trial as the installer is aware that there has already been a trial installed even though I've uninstalled it (probably a registry setting?). I've emailed Sony to see if they can help but thought I'd also check on here for any tips.

Thanx

Ian

My best advice would be to install it on a different machine and test it there.

Edward

Yeah - that was my last resort - thing is only other computer is a not very powerful laptop - but if I don't try and do anything too demanding it may be OK.

Ian

PS - You got an excellent web site by the way - very very helpful

Is anyone aware of whether Sony plans to upgrade Vegas in the future to handle the 100 MBps data stream from the HVX-200 in DVCPRO-HD ?

I use both vegas and premiere pro.. and have no financial interest in promoting either.

The Adobe Production Pro package is far more powerful as a complete production solution than Sony Vegas + DVD production suite. Go to each site and compare features. Each has its own learning curve. In terms of scope, the Adobe package rules.

make sure your TL doesn't have layers and layers of compositing .. and you didn't split the sync audio tracks ... also you didn't use allot of fancy transitions .. try to keep the offline SIMPLE for a smooth roll over to your online editor ..

what NLE are they using ?

Thanks.

Realistically, I wouldn't expect Sony to tell you a way to reactivate the demo. Just install it on the laptop and play with it there. It runs amazingly well on modest hardware. I even play with it on a Pentium 3 300MHz!

Not sure if this is the correct forum... but I was looking at some prices for Vegas 6, and I spotted a Vegas 5 on Amazon for $499, while Vegas 6 was only $399??

What's the deal? It's not the Vegas + DVD or whatever it's called, it's just the stand alone Vegas.

to be honest, PP2 is really pushing to keep up with V6... no seriosuly.. with the HT and GPU support, its abotu tiem adobe set that function as oppsed to relying on dedicated HW cards (like the Matrox RTx100) to get this kind of work out.. then again i saw teh demo video from total training and teh "realtime GPU transitions are all very cheesy cubes, balls, ripples and curls... doesnt change the fact that the Aliasing in PP is probably still dirty...

Look, BOTH apps are good, both have their uses, and both have their respective prices. If your one of those people that needs everything to talk to everything else, then its a good package to have.. but with the amount of money invested in al this, you could easily save afew bux, grab a copy of Ulead PhotoImpact10 (as opposed to PS) for less than a hundred bux (and does everythign PS does... even plugin support)
Now if u need Adobe to hold ur hand while u work on stills for your videos, then so be it, but theres nothing the adobe bridge can do that a little btit of manual labour and media management cant take care of anyway.

AE7.. cool program.. but u dont need PP to use AE..

"Am I alone in thinking that development of Vegas has stalled since Sony bought SonicFoundry? "
Probably...
From what ive seen (and ive been using Vegas since its inception when it was a music only app) Vegas only seems to grow SIGNIFICANTLY with every update. Some people dont see this as they take what they have for granted, but from what ive seen, Premiere is the app which hasnt made significant crossroads. not until recently... hear me out before mouthing off guys....

The only time Premiere really started to evolve was when Vegas was bought by sony and V5 was launched.. this was when PPro was released and most of the Vegas workflow was copied across into premieres "new" singular timeline interface, and their buy out of Cool Edit Pro which was to go up against SoundForge.
It was when Sony bought Sonic Foundry that Adobe STOPPED being complacent with Premiere (they sat on teh P5 up to P6.5 for a stupid number of years... the only thing holding the ap together an in check was the fact that it had myriads of HW support from a variety of HW acceleration cards.. without these cards, P6.5 would be nothing.. Digisuite was prolly the major benefactor of this "professional" mentality. When Vegas went hard, all i heard was that "it was professional enough" when asked why.. the answer was realtime..
well now V6 is FASTER than realtime... this shut up afew non believers..

But since V5, Adobe actually did something for their users.. Before this, Premier users were on Canopus and Matrox cards.. THESE elements helped make Premiere rule the roost, but with the faster than relatime rendering in vegas6, these cards are now obsolete. With PP2, Matroc RTx100 is now also obsolete, considering u can access some of AE filters in PP2 now.. matrox fx are also a non event... compared to AE, Matrox fx look like poo...

THIS is how much of a threat Vegas is to Premiere.. you normally wouldnt see one company sideswipe a buddy company like this (ie, Adobe killing off the need for a Matrox RTx100) unless there was a threat..
The only way to get matrox and Prem to be friends now, is with the AXIO, and that aint cheap.. until matrox release a HDV unit, like Edius SP or sumfin...

Also Adobe have made ANOTHER sacrifice with the launch of P2, and thats by killing off the need to purchase united medias Multicam... this company created a mutlicam utility which created multicamed projects for importation to premiere. It was the only tool of its time when it was launched.. cost a fortune but did a good job.. Now these guys are out of business..
Thng is, Vegas has quite afew different choices of multicam from a variety of different sources, such as VASST and Excalibur.... and its all done with scripting and its dirt cheap.. Hey VASST have a brilliant (and FREE) 2 cam multicam script.. if that aint cheap enough i dunno what is..

Like i said, each app has its pros and cons.. i would persoanlly grab both and use each one for each respective project. If you stick with ONLY one tool, then your creating a tunnel for yourself and your workflow. I mean hows this.. u can go out and buy magic bullet for $400 bux jsut so u can use MisFire... OR u can go out and grab a copy of Edius Pro3... whos inbuilt film effects filters are on par (and are MUCH faster) than Magic Bullet. Edius makes for a great effects box, and a not too shabby editor either... and it wont screw up ur system like Liquid can...
The choices out there are extraordinary for the prices now.. and considering most of use these tools to make some form of cash, then the toold themselves will usually pay themselves off... ))

I adore the Vegas UI, but Premiere seems a whole lot more powerful,

((what is it that you want to do in premiere that Vegas cant?? THIS is the 6million dollar question u should ask yourself..... anything prem can do, vegas can do and vice versa.. (oh apart from embeded video in PDF format... )
Look at YOUR WORK and see what difference it would make.. then throw in the factor that editing with Premiere is a little slower in pace than what it would be to edit with vegas, as there are hardly any menus u need to sift through.Dont get me wrong, Premiere is great.. but its overated and always has been... ))

especially when paired with After Effects 7.0. When is Vegas 7.0 due anyway?
((Vegas 7 will prolly see the light of day in April at NAB. As for After effects, irrespective of whether or not AE is paird with Premiere, AE stands on its own as a formidabble app. Theres no doubting that, but in this game, if you restict yourself to ONE tool, then your shooting yourself in the foot..

I attended the GPVA seminar for PPro2's release this Wednesday. While Luisa Winters did a fantastic job going over all the new features and abilities the program didn't impress me what so ever.

Hey guys,
Thanks for all your help. The Mackie Onyx is compatible with Vegas. Inorder to recorder multiple tracks I took your advice. After selecting Onyx ASIO for the audio device type under the audio device tab, I right click on the audio track an was able to select my input. After this I was ready for testing.
I had a friend bring over his Yamaha Motif keyboard and I was able to record four tracks at a time (I could have recorded more, but he did not have an expansion card that would allow for more outputs.) I ended up recording 15 tracks. Each time I recorded, I grouped those tracks together. This was a great learning experience.

The only problem I had with the recording was that when I was trying to sync the audio tracks, there was a glitch in one group. This group played fine at the beginning of the sync but became out of sync midway. Could this have anything to do with the sampling,latency or the computer's processor/RAM? The sampling (resampling) was set to good in Vegas. The latency was set on auto detect under the audio device tab in Vegas. And I had the sample rate at 44.1 kHz and the latency set at 24.0 ms./1064 samples using the onyx control panel. I have a Mobile AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ 1.56 GHz, 512 MB of RAM.

Any insight will be greatly appreciated.

there was a plugin/convert type thingy that was released.. apparently u could get some really nice dvcprohd 720p performance from it. i know nothign about it... yet, but i read it on Sonys own forum

I'm shooting a scene where there is a phone conversation. Do you guys know how to create that phone voice coming from the other line? Like how editors do it in the movies and in television shows, whenever someone is talking on the phone with someone else... Please help me.

Why not use a real phones,put an actor on each phone and use a mic to record the incoming conversation.

You can create a Parametric EQ curve that passes only 250 hz to 4000 hz. I then like to compress it so it distorts a little, then mix it lower than person on camera. My first attempt was to record off the phone. This took a lot of set-up, and the director thought it sounded too much like a phone. I think the EQ method is the best way to go in post. Some digital EQ plug-ins have a telephone pre-set that sounds pretty good. I would like to hear how others approach this also.

I use beatmodel OptiEQ for this...
i do quite a fair amount of training videos for call centres and this is always appreciated coz u can make it sound as authentic as u need it.

The Adobe Production Pro package is far more powerful as a complete production solution than Sony Vegas + DVD production suite.

When it comes to packages, suites and bundles, it depends on what you already have and what you need.

How about this one:
Total Production Bundle
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=969

As Glenn and Peter said, use an EQ. Much easier to do in post.
If you have Sound Forge, you already have a telephone preset, same answer if you have Ultimate S 1 or 2, as there are a couple phone voice setups in there, too.
Use an EQ, cut everything below 500Hz, and cut everything above 3.5KHz.
Then boost the remaining area.
Now apply a 4:1 compressor. You'll be needing it after the boost, because if your vocal is recorded properly, the EQ should be giving off a slight distortion. The comp will make the distortion smooth.

The Parametric EQ effect in Vegas also has a Phone Line preset. You'll need to put that audio on a separate track so that it doesn't affect the rest of your audio.

I have like 3 layers of audio and video. My audio tracks are split.

When I ran the script for the edl, I got a 12 KB file and the other guy used it to open and all he got was about 6 minutes of a half hour timeline. He is using speed razor for HD and has FCP for off line which if he could build to that, he can export to speed razor. I'm frustrated with the Sony Manual AND tech support. The manual says to go to file save as and select .edl to save the file. This is not an option. Save as for the coice for edl only saves a .txt file. Going to tools, scripting, export to edl gives me no choices - it just does the export but this won't work. Is it the layers or split audio that I have to fix?

Jeff

thanks, I have vegas 6...umm whats the difference with vegas compared to lets say soundforge? If i were to try to get that effect? And how would I do the Parametric EQ effect in Vegas?

Hey all, question here. I'm very new to Vegas 6.0, but my next project is, hopefully, going to have a shot with multiple instances of the same character. I shot several instances of him as a test without moving the camera, but I'm having trouble combining it.

The only way I've discovered so far is to lay down all the tracks of the characters, and then using the cookie cutter effect to cut a circle around a character, replacing the rest of the shot with the next one down. However, these shapes don't leave a lot of room for error, and there's got to be a better way to do this.

Can I get help in easy, layman's terms for a noob?

Hi all...
Finally able to encode my veg file to mpeg. I want to try DVD3. For starters...I just want to have a menu where viewer will need to press play. Perhaps someone can break it down for me. The DVD3 manual is somewhat huh?

Thanks again!!

You're in luck. I just released a new newsletter today talking about just that topic. Take a look at Vol 4, #1.

Drag your video file from the explorer onto the menu. You can rename the button "Play" if you like.

Preview the disc with Ctrl/F9 to see if it's how you want it.

Gary

Take a look at Vol 3 #1 of my newsletters. In that issue I show multiple ways to split screen.

Hey all, question here. I'm very new to Vegas 6.0, but my next project is, hopefully, going to have a shot with multiple instances of the same character. I shot several instances of him as a test without moving the camera, but I'm having trouble combining it.

The only way I've discovered so far is to lay down all the tracks of the characters, and then using the cookie cutter effect to cut a circle around a character, replacing the rest of the shot with the next one down. However, these shapes don't leave a lot of room for error, and there's got to be a better way to do this.

Can I get help in easy, layman's terms for a noob?

You can find several methods of accomplishing this at:
http://www.vasst.com/search.aspx?text=split%20screen

Edward can you please direct me to the appropriate tutorial? I can't seem to find the pertinent information in the link you supplied.

My brother and I are shooting a feature movie with a Z1 (HDV) , and editing with Vegas. Our immediate goal is winding up with the highest resolution movie possible on DVD.

Should we shoot in 60i, 50i or what to wind up with the highest resolution DVD possible?

Anybody have the experience to answer this question?

Thanks

If you shoot 50i/CF25, you'll get the closest-to-film cadence and blur that the Z1 offers. If you know how to shoot with the slower shutter, I'd do that if you're after that sort of a look. Otherwise, shoot at 60i, and you'll have the highest temporal and spatial resolution available to your DVD. Shooting at 50i/CF25 reduces temporal resolution, but again...lotsa people like that look. For many projects, I prefer to do it in post if I'm going to a framerate output different than my acquisition framerate.

Thanks, Spot, for your prompte reply. We're taking the 60i option. After we finish the DVD version of the movie, we'll show it around and if it is well-received, the next step would be to transfer to 35mm film.

We'll have editing questions for this forum, when we start editing (probably in June.

Thanks again.

Smooth on my old P4 2.66GHz 1 gig of ram ATI 9500/9700 Sony VAIO.

In the Newsletter Archive section, load Vol 3 #1. Then look at the article "Ways to Split Screen".

To make life easier, you can download most of the newsletters at once via:
http://www.jetdv.com/tts/tts.zip

60i is not the best mode if you intend a film transfer. As the 60Hz motion conversion to 24p is tricker than 50Hz to 24p (or 25Hz to 24p is better still.) Also a 60i DVD and 24p film have completely different motion characteristics, normally you would select one look for all your outputs, but I don't know if you project would benefit for the 60Hz motion (sports and reality TV looks do, drama doesn't normally.)