Wide Angle Adapter

Bryan Beasleigh · October 13th, 2003, 02:24 PM

Tom
I didn't even bother with the cavision lens. (mainly because of your review). Their accessory line is well thought out and they are constantly improving it. Optics are something i don't take chances with.

I'd stay with century, optex or canon. that's just my opinion.

So far as their matte boxes and lens shades, they're a great bang for the buck . So is their line of audio accessories (boom poles and wind shields). I wouldn't touch their generic filters, but they do rep for Formatt filters. Formatt is fine stuff.

Dave Largent · October 27th, 2003, 10:12 AM

I notice there's no mention of it on the Sony America site. And the impression I get is that it won't be included with the VX2100.
From what I gather not many people use this lens now. I looked into getting it at one time. I know it's suppose to be pretty good- sized. [Heard a suggestion that it gives that "pro look" when combined with a matte box ;-)] I heard it goes soft at the long end. I'd rather have a Century Optics, but if it really will be included at no extra charge ...
Anyone here using this lens?

Wayne Orr · October 27th, 2003, 06:01 PM

I guess none of the regulars here use this lens, Dave, so I'll give you my impressions of it, which I use on a regular basis with my PD150. This is a very good piece of glass, but somewhat expensive if you pay list for it. It is also physically quite large, and therefore heavy. The front element is almost four inches in diameter, which means four inch filters, if you want to use filters. There are no threads for filters, so you will have to use a matte box, or a more inexpensive lens shade with filter holder. Check with Cavision.

This lens is not an extreme wide angle; it will turn the standard lens into the 35mm equivalent of a 30.24mm-363mm lens. But since it is not extreme wide, it also does not distort as much as some other lenses. It is a complete zoom through lens, and remains sharp all the way to the end, contrary to what you remarked. Definitely much sharper than the less expensive Canon.

This is a great lens for doing "talking head" type interviews, where you approach your subject and do your own interviews. Tighten in just a few millimeters and you will have a nice size subject with no wide angle distortion. Add a good shotgun mic, and you will get excellent results with your subjects about three feet from the lens.

Would I buy this lens again? Tough call. I got a real good price on it, versus what the Century would have cost me. And it has been a great performer. But I do like the Century with the bayonet mount, and the smaller size. I bought the Cavision lens shade for mine, and it does make for a very pro looking package. But I also have my "flarebuster" handy, as these lenses will find flares inside a closet with the light turned out.

You pays your money, and you takes your choice.

Wayne Orr, SOC

Chad Cleveland · December 2nd, 2003, 04:14 PM

I am looking for a fish eye and/or wide angle lense for my sony pd150 - do i need an adapter to mount these lenses and any suggestions on where i can find the lenses?? Thanks in advance for your help

Don Bloom · December 2nd, 2003, 07:16 PM

You want a 58mm lens attachment. I prefer bayonet mount but some folks like screw mount, so you choose.
There are lots of brand names in WA not so many in fish eye. Try bhphoto.com to at least look around for the various lenses.

For my own use I have both a Century Optics and a Kenko Pro WA lens for my 150's and althought the Century is a bit sharper than the Kenko Pro, I use the Kenko more than the Century. Mainly because if anything happens to it, it's alot less expensive than the Kenko. But that's me. My brides don't see any difference as they are both zoom thru, don't vignette the corners and only hurt the iris about a stop.

Go to bhphoto and see whats out there. They're also a great place to buy from.

Good Luck,
Don

Michel Brewer · December 2nd, 2003, 09:01 PM

you might try centurys web page they have a 58 mm wa/ reversible to a fish eye which could get you both and I think its only around 350 at bh

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Chad Cleveland · December 3rd, 2003, 10:23 AM

Thanks guys - so the screw mount just simply screws on to the already existing lens?? And the Bayonet mount does what?? -- I guess i am asking what is the difference?? -- thanks again for your help!!!

Don Bloom · December 3rd, 2003, 12:06 PM

The bayonet mount turns and locks onto the exsisting lens. I prefer it because IMHO its faster to put on and take off and less chance of cross threading. But thats me.
Don

Frederic Segard · December 9th, 2003, 09:42 PM

But how do you bayonet mount on a PD-150? Is there an adapter for it?

So I take it if you can mount a bayonet adapter on a PD-150, the advantage, other then speed change, would be to pickup any lens types from any photo shops?

Bryan Beasleigh · December 10th, 2003, 01:42 AM

The bayonet mount attaches to the lens shade mounting lugs. The benifit is a more secure mount. I don't really trust a 1 lb lens on those cheezi threads. it's really easy to cross thread if you're in a hurry.

The mount is proprietory and the lens is an auxilary adapter so, no you can't use any old lens from a camera store.

I use an Optex bayonet mount. I think it's an excellent value for $300 US and it's available from one of our sponsors. It can be bought from Kingsway motion picture in Canada (Toronto) for about the same as the US price.

Optex UK isn't that cheezi camera accessory line that we see in canadian photo shops (Gentec). Optex are pretty big in Video lenses and originate in the UK.

http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/active/8AC99EF37C80586885256D3A00736F01

Kevin Lee · December 15th, 2003, 05:49 AM

Howdy.

(I had my first case of lens flare over the weekend with me
Canon WD58)

Has anyone bought/used the bundled wide angle adaptor and
hood that is bundled with the new PD170? Is the hood an effective
shade and is it available for purchase on its own?

Rgds
Lee

Bryan Beasleigh · December 15th, 2003, 07:29 AM

Look at the cavision lens shade.

http://www.cavision.com/LensHood/LH100S.htm

It's a clamp on and it works well. The shade is $60 US and the final fit to the lens barrel uses a split ring adapter ($5). It has a soft rubber shield on a plastic or metal back plate. The ABS backplate works just fine. It also has a 105mm filter thread.

Kevin Lee · December 15th, 2003, 07:56 AM

Just had a look. $60US seems affordable but i'm wondering if that shade is deep enough to make a difference to what i already have (the CanonWD58 hood - too shallow). Anything deeper available? The cavision 3x3 mattebox looks like it'd do the trick but i'm afraid to ask how much that costs... (?)

Anything else affordable & effective out there, cavision or otherwise??

new PD170 lens/hood??

Mike Rehmus · December 15th, 2003, 12:34 PM

Sometimes you cannot shield the light source from the lens. If the light is in the scene, the shield is useless (as I"m certain you know). No shade will help in this case.

If it is a reflection from the interior of the shade and back to the lens you might try a flag. Flare Buster is a good tool as long as the camera is stationary (as it must for most flags to function correctly). About $30 US

Anthony Baxter · December 16th, 2003, 05:52 AM

The hood that's bundled with the PD170 doesn't fit the wide - which i'd been led to believe it did. The lens is a 0.7 - would have been nice if it had been a bit wider.

October 27th, 2003, 10:12 AM	#212
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Not Much Discussed: PD170 Included Wide Angle I notice there's no mention of it on the Sony America site. And the impression I get is that it won't be included with the VX2100. From what I gather not many people use this lens now. I looked into getting it at one time. I know it's suppose to be pretty good- sized. [Heard a suggestion that it gives that "pro look" when combined with a matte box ;-)] I heard it goes soft at the long end. I'd rather have a Century Optics, but if it really will be included at no extra charge ... Anyone here using this lens?

December 2nd, 2003, 04:14 PM	#214
Chad Cleveland New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Auburn, AL (USA) Posts: 8	PD-150 Fish Eye and Wide Angle Lenses I am looking for a fish eye and/or wide angle lense for my sony pd150 - do i need an adapter to mount these lenses and any suggestions on where i can find the lenses?? Thanks in advance for your help

December 2nd, 2003, 09:01 PM	#216
Michel Brewer Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ventura California Posts: 179	w/a fisheye you might try centurys web page they have a 58 mm wa/ reversible to a fish eye which could get you both and I think its only around 350 at bh m __________________ milking the celebrity criminal trials thank god for the freaks

December 15th, 2003, 05:49 AM	#221
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	PD170 Wide angle/hood. Howdy. (I had my first case of lens flare over the weekend with me Canon WD58) Has anyone bought/used the bundled wide angle adaptor and hood that is bundled with the new PD170? Is the hood an effective shade and is it available for purchase on its own? Rgds Lee

December 15th, 2003, 12:34 PM	#224
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Sometimes you cannot shield the light source from the lens. If the light is in the scene, the shield is useless (as I"m certain you know). No shade will help in this case. If it is a reflection from the interior of the shade and back to the lens you might try a flag. Flare Buster is a good tool as long as the camera is stationary (as it must for most flags to function correctly). About $30 US __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

October 13th, 2003, 02:24 PM	#211
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Tom I didn't even bother with the cavision lens. (mainly because of your review). Their accessory line is well thought out and they are constantly improving it. Optics are something i don't take chances with. I'd stay with century, optex or canon. that's just my opinion. So far as their matte boxes and lens shades, they're a great bang for the buck . So is their line of audio accessories (boom poles and wind shields). I wouldn't touch their generic filters, but they do rep for Formatt filters. Formatt is fine stuff.

October 27th, 2003, 06:01 PM	#213
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	I guess none of the regulars here use this lens, Dave, so I'll give you my impressions of it, which I use on a regular basis with my PD150. This is a very good piece of glass, but somewhat expensive if you pay list for it. It is also physically quite large, and therefore heavy. The front element is almost four inches in diameter, which means four inch filters, if you want to use filters. There are no threads for filters, so you will have to use a matte box, or a more inexpensive lens shade with filter holder. Check with Cavision. This lens is not an extreme wide angle; it will turn the standard lens into the 35mm equivalent of a 30.24mm-363mm lens. But since it is not extreme wide, it also does not distort as much as some other lenses. It is a complete zoom through lens, and remains sharp all the way to the end, contrary to what you remarked. Definitely much sharper than the less expensive Canon. This is a great lens for doing "talking head" type interviews, where you approach your subject and do your own interviews. Tighten in just a few millimeters and you will have a nice size subject with no wide angle distortion. Add a good shotgun mic, and you will get excellent results with your subjects about three feet from the lens. Would I buy this lens again? Tough call. I got a real good price on it, versus what the Century would have cost me. And it has been a great performer. But I do like the Century with the bayonet mount, and the smaller size. I bought the Cavision lens shade for mine, and it does make for a very pro looking package. But I also have my "flarebuster" handy, as these lenses will find flares inside a closet with the light turned out. You pays your money, and you takes your choice. Wayne Orr, SOC

December 2nd, 2003, 07:16 PM	#215
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	You want a 58mm lens attachment. I prefer bayonet mount but some folks like screw mount, so you choose. There are lots of brand names in WA not so many in fish eye. Try bhphoto.com to at least look around for the various lenses. For my own use I have both a Century Optics and a Kenko Pro WA lens for my 150's and althought the Century is a bit sharper than the Kenko Pro, I use the Kenko more than the Century. Mainly because if anything happens to it, it's alot less expensive than the Kenko. But that's me. My brides don't see any difference as they are both zoom thru, don't vignette the corners and only hurt the iris about a stop. Go to bhphoto and see whats out there. They're also a great place to buy from. Good Luck, Don

December 3rd, 2003, 10:23 AM	#217
Chad Cleveland New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Auburn, AL (USA) Posts: 8	Thanks guys - so the screw mount just simply screws on to the already existing lens?? And the Bayonet mount does what?? -- I guess i am asking what is the difference?? -- thanks again for your help!!!

December 3rd, 2003, 12:06 PM	#218
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	The bayonet mount turns and locks onto the exsisting lens. I prefer it because IMHO its faster to put on and take off and less chance of cross threading. But thats me. Don

December 9th, 2003, 09:42 PM	#219
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	But how do you bayonet mount on a PD-150? Is there an adapter for it? So I take it if you can mount a bayonet adapter on a PD-150, the advantage, other then speed change, would be to pickup any lens types from any photo shops?

December 10th, 2003, 01:42 AM	#220
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The bayonet mount attaches to the lens shade mounting lugs. The benifit is a more secure mount. I don't really trust a 1 lb lens on those cheezi threads. it's really easy to cross thread if you're in a hurry. The mount is proprietory and the lens is an auxilary adapter so, no you can't use any old lens from a camera store. I use an Optex bayonet mount. I think it's an excellent value for $300 US and it's available from one of our sponsors. It can be bought from Kingsway motion picture in Canada (Toronto) for about the same as the US price. Optex UK isn't that cheezi camera accessory line that we see in canadian photo shops (Gentec). Optex are pretty big in Video lenses and originate in the UK. http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/active/8AC99EF37C80586885256D3A00736F01

December 15th, 2003, 07:29 AM	#222
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Look at the cavision lens shade. http://www.cavision.com/LensHood/LH100S.htm It's a clamp on and it works well. The shade is $60 US and the final fit to the lens barrel uses a split ring adapter ($5). It has a soft rubber shield on a plastic or metal back plate. The ABS backplate works just fine. It also has a 105mm filter thread.

December 15th, 2003, 07:56 AM	#223
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	Just had a look. $60US seems affordable but i'm wondering if that shade is deep enough to make a difference to what i already have (the CanonWD58 hood - too shallow). Anything deeper available? The cavision 3x3 mattebox looks like it'd do the trick but i'm afraid to ask how much that costs... (?) Anything else affordable & effective out there, cavision or otherwise?? new PD170 lens/hood??

December 16th, 2003, 05:52 AM	#225
Anthony Baxter New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 9	The hood that's bundled with the PD170 doesn't fit the wide - which i'd been led to believe it did. The lens is a 0.7 - would have been nice if it had been a bit wider. __________________ Ant