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May 2nd, 2008, 03:27 PM | #167 |
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A 486 filter available as a 4x4 for MB use? Thanks. |
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What a pity you confirmed my concerns only after I have bought another 486 filter (this time, the one with double thread to replace my current 486 SLIM version) - should you have answered two days earlier, I'd go with the 489 as I currently am not using a matte box :( But never mind; I'll replace it again should need be. However, the following afterthought crossed my mind when reading your answer: If indeed the reflecting 486 filter type should always work as the outermost (i.e. the first in the stack) optical element, why does its double-threaded version exists in the first place? Having the thread at the front side, it suggests screwing some other optical element into it is conceivable, after all... Or maybe this is just for some non-optical element, like a sunshade of some sort?
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You can just figure that on your own just by reading how both filters handle incoming IR actually. But I tried. |
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Yes Michael - I know you said it, but a couple of persons using the 486 said it was also working OK, and Ryan of Schneider even mentioned the 486 is "a better choice for this application"... :)
But of course I'm far for blaming anybody but myself for this decision. Since my new 486 provider has the 489 as well, I'll be trying to swap them - he might go for it, if I pay the shipping costs. Before I do however, please answer my other question I also was asking earlier in this thread: - does the double-threaded 489 filter fit under the stock lens hood, when Letus is not used? Thanks in advance!
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ONLY slim-lines fit under the stock sunshade. That is why I needed to put together the adapter ring arrangements that Schneider complemented me on. See details above somewhere. Slim-lines do not have front threads so the answer to your question is NO |
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Wrong again, Mike:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....&postcount=122 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....&postcount=132 - I have no reason not to believe Peter; anyway I will check it with mine which should arrive soon.
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I'm using a B+W 486 filter with front threads. It fits under the hood. I also have put a pola in front of that with no problems. I'll be doing thorough tests with a letus and this filter next weekend.
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What is the model number? I could not find one and B+W told me not one in their catalog. Be interested to know. It's good though its all a bit academic as I would think with a camera of this sophistication you would have a matte box. Had to do what I did because I have the Cavision clamp on as I did no want the weight of rails.
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...tal_UV_IR.html
I actually got mine form a different supplier because I needed it quickly and B+H didn't have it in stock. |
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Hope this is okay to post, but this is Schneider's description of how the 486 works:
http://www.schneideroptics.com/ecomm...D=677&IID=4397 "This B+W Interference Filter has a completely colorless glass carrier coated with a number of extremely thin, partially reflecting layers with precisely computed thicknesses, similar to MC coating. The B+W Filter 486 does not block by means of absorption, but by interference of the unwanted UV and IR radiation that is repeatedly reflected between these layers, affecting the wavelengths on both sides of the visible spectrum with a steep cut-off..." Just wanted to put that out there. It sounds to me like it's not reflecting IR back outward, but creating interference which stops it. The Phantom HD which I use quite often has a similar filter ("reflective" type) bonded to the sensor assembly, which now has a low pass filter in front of that and behind the lens. I have never seen any problems with that system, and have exposed it to some extreme amounts of IR (75,000 watts of tungsten light in a 4' area). The absorption filters I believe are more effective, however I don't like the light loss or color shift that needs to be balanced out. -Sean |
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A lot said about the 486 but screenshot comparisons so here is desert landscape taken on a moderatly hot day with and without the 486. Camera setting of course were exactly the same for both shots. The "greener" snapshot is with the 496.
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Sean (or anyone else for that matter) , does your B+W filter produce the green vignetting at wideangle under tungstun that Piotr showed?
I'm still trying to get a clear answer from people's experience as to how bad this is, and whether it is endemic to all of these filters. Sure would like to see a few shots of a relatively flat grey scene, under tungstun, iris wide open (usually shows more problems) that shows how bad this is at full wide and when the problem disappears. Mike, Do you see a radical difference between the desert shots? Aside from the minor color balance issue, to me the 486 has more contrast but nothing I couldn't fix with a minor tweak in post. Am I missing something? Lenny Levy |
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