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Joe Carney May 26th, 2005 07:55 PM

BMD board
 
Has anyone used the Black Magic Design board with Vegas 6 yet? If so, how do you like it?

Tony Rockliff May 26th, 2005 09:34 PM

How to jump to next marker?
 
I've scoured the manual but cannot find any key-command or other way to jump to the next marker. Is there one?

Thanks,

Tony

Dennis Vogel May 26th, 2005 09:36 PM

FWIW, I have Acid Pro 5 and I installed Vegas 6 with no problems.

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff May 26th, 2005 09:38 PM

The Eqium plug-in does this beautifully without degrading your sound.

http://www.elementalaudio.com/products/eqium/index.html

I used it on some acoustic guitar tracks that had ground hum and it completely removed it. It has presets just for this that notch out the 60hz and up to 7 ever-decreasing harmonics above it.

Tony

Dennis Vogel May 26th, 2005 09:49 PM

Control-left arrow, Control-right arrow. If no markers are set it goes to start of track and end of track.

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff May 26th, 2005 10:33 PM

Thanks very much!

Don Meers May 26th, 2005 11:51 PM

I know this is a dumb question but Vegas defaults to a progressive timeline setting.If I want to keep my timeline interlaced what are the propre settings.upper field first?

Edward Troxel May 27th, 2005 07:20 AM

DV is lower field first.

To change your settings, go to file - properties, change the settings as desired, and check the box thats says "start all new projects with these settings".

James Connors May 27th, 2005 07:54 AM

I NEVER encode in vegas. I render to a PAL DV file, then do ALL my transcoding work in Canopus Procoder. Means I have a full resolution/bitrate original I can always work with again, and also IMO Procoder handles encoding better than Vegas (or any other mid priced NLE for that matter.)

If I want something to look its very best, then undoubtedly it goes to CCE SP.

DJ Kinney May 27th, 2005 08:20 AM

Best way to re-sync sound after slow-mo?
 
I have found that the cleanest way to get the coveted 24p look with a 30p camera is to slow the clip by 80%. Whether or not this will allow me to break into Hollywood is still up in the air ;-)

But I do like the look a little more than 30p, and it is more easily converted to film and all that. So for clips without much talking (as the talking will become distorted) I slow the vid down through the properties menu and the playback speed option by 80%.

Now, one would think that by slowing the audio down by 80% (in Sound Forge it is a "120% length increase") it would end up the same length. But not even close. It has to be lengthened by 124.88%, a seemi8ngly arbitrary number.

1) Can someone tell me why this is, and

2) is there a better way to do this within the confines of Vegas 6 without the mess?

In the end, it never syncs perfectly, but it always ends up within a frame or two.

Thanks for your help,

DJ Kinney
djkinney@gmail.com

Cam: Canon GL2
Software: Sony Vegas 6
Ship: Leviathan

David Ennis May 27th, 2005 10:47 AM

The hum is no doubt 60 Hz or 120 Hz. Typical sound programs offer menu-selectable "notch filters" to remove those frequencies without removing other sound content. I have found the one in Cool Edit to be 100% effective. If you have to set up your own filters, set them for removal 59-61 Hz and 119-121 Hz.

Dan Keaton May 27th, 2005 12:23 PM

Using ShuttlePro with Vegas 6.0
 
When I upgraded from Vegas 4.0 to Vegas 6.0 I could not get the ShuttlePro to work with Vegas 6.0. The ShuttlePro would not work with 6.0(a) or 6.0(b).

I thought I was using the latest ShuttlePro driver, but I was not. I had downloaded the latest driver from www.contourav.com, but this is not the correct site to obtain the proper driver for Vegas 6.0.

It turns out that the proper driver is 2.6.4 which is available from www.contourdesign.com.

I understand from the Sony forum that there is a separate issue with using the ShuttlePro with the capture utility, but I have not attempted to address that issue as I only use the ShuttlePro within the main portion of Vegas.

Steve House May 27th, 2005 12:34 PM

Remember the name of the target executable for Vegas changed with the version change and the target application in the ShuttlePro settings file must be updated to point to the new filename.

Dan Peterson May 27th, 2005 12:57 PM

Well, if you're going to use Procoder, you can save yourself a rendering step by frameserving out of Vegas using Satish's free frameserver app (debugmode.com).
It's as if you're rendering straight from the Vegas timeline, but using Procoder.

Matt Ockenfels May 27th, 2005 01:28 PM

Hi,

30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Is the 30 FPS drop frame or non-drop frame? This may be the difference.

In drop frame video, Every frame :00 & :01 are dropped for each minute change except for minutes with 0’s (00:, 10:, 20:, 30:, 40: & 50:)

That being the case, there will be less than 30 frames per second if your clip is long enough! This can account for the % number from Sound Forge.

I believe you can stretch a clip in Vegas and maintain original sound pitch. If you want to do the entire piece that way, set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 28.97

Cheers,

-Matt

Matt Ockenfels May 27th, 2005 01:29 PM

Whoops, I meant to say...

set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 23.97

DJ Kinney May 27th, 2005 09:48 PM

You said...30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Which is right, but I'm going to 24 frames, not 25. If I were going to 25, the Sound Forge number would make sense, but it's 24.

Also, does changing the frame rate in properties change the playback speed? I was pretty sure that it just changes the environment (timeline, generated media, etc) but doesn't change a clip that's imported as 29.97.

Thoughts?

Thanks again.

Rob Lohman May 28th, 2005 04:37 AM

This has nothing to do with Vegas. Like any other video application Vegas
just feeds uncompressed footage to the encoder (codec) and it can then
turn this into frames that get stored in the file format you choose.

The only thing you can really do is experiment with the different settings of
both the codecs. Why are you encoding to these formats? Is it for web
delivery? If so, most people go with QuickTime or Windows Media instead
of DivX (although it is quite popular).

If you are compressing for the web (this thread will then be moved to the
web delivery forum!) usually you want to drop resolution to half and framerate
to something like 15 frames per second to get smaller files. Yes, this will
result in a more choppy playback, but not much choice there (really), unless
it is okay to have large files.

Besides resolution and framerate the number of passes (more passes yield
better results) together with the bitrate define the final quality.

Mitch Buss May 28th, 2005 10:20 AM

How do I do that? Do I have to download something or what is the process to convert it?

Matt Ockenfels May 28th, 2005 02:51 PM

Hi DJ,

Whoops again, I meant 30/24=1.25 My fingers are too fat for their own good!

I just tried it setting the file properties frame rate in Vegas to 23.97, and you're right. It does not seem to change playback speed or project length. It seems to "remap" the 30 to 24. You might want to try some render tests to see how this interpolation occours, and if the results are satisfactory (I do not have any 30p footage or I'd try myself....) Let us know how it turns out!

Cheers,
-Matt

Andre Andreev May 29th, 2005 03:17 AM

Yes, use "External video capture application"
 
and select the "C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0\VidCap60.EXE" capturing app in Options/Preferences/Video - worked for me.

Cheers
-- Andre

Rob Lohman May 29th, 2005 04:48 AM

This has nothing to do with Vegas, but with Windows and the driver for the
camera. See the following thread and thread @ Sony they link to:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45315

Mitch Buss May 29th, 2005 06:41 AM

can anyone help me with this?

Edward Troxel May 29th, 2005 08:41 AM

I thought people HAD helped you with this. You have two basic options:

1) Install the proper codec so that Vegas can properly decode the video
2) Use some other program to translate the video into a standard format that Vegas can see.

Mitch Buss May 29th, 2005 09:00 AM

I'm sorry but where do I download the codec from.

Newdjeen Klime May 29th, 2005 12:49 PM

Someone has still "clever" ideas?
Îê, Dan, go in the Windows Control Panel (Start - > Control Panel), and click the Contour Shuttle Device (or clik on the Shuttle icon on system tray, and choose "Open Control Panel "). It will open Contour Shuttle Device Configuraion.
On tab "ShuttlePro v2" (I use v2, but I think in v1 that is same windows) under Application settings window finde the button Options
Go To
Options -> Import Settings -> and programm prompt you select a specify configuration file.
The necessary file is in... (if Vegas installed by default)
C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0
Specify the file, and enjoy - now you can use you device in Vegas 6. ;-)

SonicFoundry, Sony and many other manufacturers always add a configuration file for Shuttle with him Software, becouse driver-Updating leave not often, and add a lot of unnecessary job for Contour Design

Sorry 4 my English

Happy Editing

Jack Smith May 29th, 2005 05:46 PM

Hi I have done this before and whats been said is correct.Your decreasing the video down from 100% speed to 80%.To match audio your calculating an opposite by increasing the length in Sound Forge so if you look at it like to go from the 80% up tp the 100% you would need to increase the 80% by 125% to get 100% then apply the 125% to the audio length maintaining pitch in Sound Forge.I mention this in case you experiment as I did with various speeds.eg.85% actually looked cool in some situations.

Edward Troxel May 29th, 2005 07:37 PM

Personally, I don't use DivX files so I've never tried to locate it. If you do a search for DivX, though, I know it's been discussed MANY times.

Steve Crisdale May 29th, 2005 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Lohman
This has nothing to do with Vegas, but with Windows and the driver for the
camera. See the following thread and thread @ Sony they link to:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45315

I suspect this sort of event is going to be happening more and more frequently...

Unfortunately there may be no way to inform Sony FX-1/Z1 camera owners that they will still need to load the correct driver (not easy for a PC novice, which many will no doubt be) or install WinXP Service Pack 2 to be able to capture HDV in any program - let alone Vegas.

Mike may be the first... but he won't be the last to post their frustration at what is perceived by many who encounter it (rightly or wrongly) as a most exasperating situation.

The JVC HD10 came with a driver disk that meant even 'puter newbies could only blame themselves if they cocked it up. As the FX-1/Z1 don't come with any driver disk, the assumption is... "this thing must be recognised automatically", and when the re-assuring 'boing' sounds to notify 'IEEE-1394 device found', most users assume they must be good to go. Imagine how they feel when all that excitement turns to bewilderment when it ain't so... No HDV device showing - how to get that video outta da cam?

I can relate to Mike's frustration, and I'm no PC newbie. Capturing from the FX-1 proved difficult for me too when I first got my cam, and it would be nice to think that their circumstance engendered sympathy and a brief outline of the solution, rather than a cold shoulder.

After all, the Vegas user base is going to be swelled by FX1/Z1 owners. It might be worthwhile to help them rather than alienate them...

Plamen Petrov May 30th, 2005 04:20 PM

Vegas and .VOB files
 
Hello!
My idea was to capture a footage directly to dvd .VOB file /not via Vegas,of course/. Ok,there was not any problem, playing back of this new captured vob file with some media players was ok - there are both audio and video. But when I tried to put the .VOB file on Vegas,only the video track exists. No any audio track! So,is there any way to let Vegas recognize the audio track from a .VOB file??????

Edward Troxel May 30th, 2005 08:19 PM

Vegas doesn't "read" AC3 audio. You'll need to use some other program to convert the audio back to WAV.

Mathiu Zimmermann June 2nd, 2005 04:06 AM

Gottcha!

It was my PCI IDE Controller, that is probably dying on me right now...

It's the Silicon Image 6080... I am looking into buying a Promise Controller now...

Cu, Matthias

Dennis Vogel June 2nd, 2005 12:40 PM

You're welcome!

Good luck.

Dennis

Dennis Vogel June 2nd, 2005 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Ockenfels
In drop frame video, Every frame :00 & :01 are dropped for each minute change except for minutes with 0’s (00:, 10:, 20:, 30:, 40: & 50:)

My understanding of drop frame is that it is frame numbers that are dropped to stay in sync NOT actual frames. Here's one reference: http://teched.vt.edu/gcc/HTML/Virtua...reTimecode.pdf.

Good luck.

Dennis

Dennis Vogel June 2nd, 2005 12:55 PM

Are you saying this cam does not use the standard Firewire drivers built into Windows? Virtually every other cam on the market uses these drivers. What is it about the FX1 that requires special Firewire drivers?

Good luck.

Dennis

Rob Lohman June 3rd, 2005 03:36 AM

The firewire part is not the problem. The interface to the application seems
to be the issue. The driver needing to be installed is the DVCR driver.

My guess would be that the DVCR drivers understands MPEG-2 (ie HDV!!),
whereas the normal DV driver (from Microsoft and others) only understands
plain DV (DCT based compression, other than MPEG-2).

Such incompatabilities are to be expected with such "new" equipment. What
really is going on is probably only answerable by the folk at Sony & Microsoft.

Brad Higerd June 3rd, 2005 12:20 PM

Need Advise for DVI Preview Freezes
 
The nested projects and DVI previewing are amazing features that led me to upgrade to 6, but I am having a little problem with regular freezing while using the DVI preview window. I wrote the Sony (Sonic Foundry) engineers about the problem, but (so far) they're still working on it. You guys have been extremely helpful in the past, and I though someone might know what's causing this.

System:
P4 2.8 GHz 800 FSB
1 Gb RAM
4 RAID Array Drives (1 RAID 0 & 1 RAID 1)
Matrox P750 Dual DVI 8X Video Card
2 DVI Monitors
other incidental stuff...

Thanks,
Brad

Andriy Zolotoiy June 3rd, 2005 02:45 PM

I noticed slight jerkiness (but not freezes) during 2nd monitor full screen preview. I guess that is because all frames are recompressed, and CPU is getting overloaded.
Your system specs are aprox. as mine except I overclocked 2.8GHz to 3.07GHz.
Check processes that are running for CPU usage during preview process, might give you a hint.

Mathiu Zimmermann June 3rd, 2005 03:48 PM

Using the "Windows secondary monitor"?? - A Preview without Firewire
 
I have a dream!

I dream of connecting my SVHS PC output to my TV watching the Vegas Preview fly by...

If I read it correctly in the manual and online help, there should be a way to select the "Windows secondary monitor" as preview device. Actually I have selected it as preview device, it just does not preview.

Now as I searched the forum I was only able to find fellow believers working with firewire decks/cameras and converters. My question: What is it with the secondary monitor option in Vegas?

Thank you very much!

Matthias

PS: My TV shows up in the Windows graphics tab as secondary monitor, it is also recognized on pushing "identify displays", only the "details" area shows a "Device unavailable" message..

Stephen Sobel June 3rd, 2005 07:41 PM

MSSQL$SONY_MEDIAMGR message
 
When I open Vegas 6, I get an error message that says MSSQL$SONY_MEDIAMGR service does not exist. The media manager then does not work. Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?


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