View Full Version : Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)
Richard Bender April 24th, 2006, 06:34 AM I made the switch to Vegas and so far I couldn't be happier. I was using Pinnacle Studio 10plus and Liquid Edition 5.5. They both would lock up so much I spent most of my editing time re-booting. I bouth one training DVD which I have gone through. I would be interested in trading mine with someone else for additional training.
Richard Bender April 24th, 2006, 06:48 AM To correct color for a section of a clip do you have to split it or is there away to select only the section to apply the correction to?
John Rofrano April 24th, 2006, 07:27 AM You could use keyframes. Just set a keyframe at the point where you want the color correction to start and another where you want it to end. Make sure all the keyframes are set to Hold so that they turn on and off like a switch.
~jr
Fred Finn April 24th, 2006, 09:32 AM Everytime I open Vegas it tries to open the media manager database, and it always fails. I've searched for an answer, but I've only found stuff related to My SQL errors, which I don't have.
Any ideas?
Fred Finn April 24th, 2006, 09:36 AM Maybe advanced capture orginization similar to FCP?
Mike Kujbida April 24th, 2006, 11:36 AM If you don't want Media Manager to open, disable it in Preferences.
If you do though, that's another issue and, other than making sure you have the service pack update for Microsoft.Net, I don't have any suggestions.
Jamie Walker April 24th, 2006, 11:46 AM thanks bud ;)
James Binder April 24th, 2006, 12:16 PM Is it possible to trim and save a clip as a completely new and separate file from its source?
I’ve used the trimmer and it seems it only references the new file – that is, it does not create a new shorter segment (clip) from the larger clip from which it came. (One that is separate even outside of Vegas)
What I’m trying to do is this:
I have one long video clip from which I would like to create several shorter clips (in Vegas). I want to then add FX/processing those shorter clips (in After Effects) -- and then have the changes reflected when I go back into Vegas. Make sense?
Why don’t I trim them in AE? It’s way easier in Vegas. Any thought are much appreciated –
I’m still using Vegas 5 by the way :-(
Dean Orewiler April 24th, 2006, 12:36 PM I've been asking the same question with Vegas Movie Maker Platinum and I have had no responses..I want to clip and save takes to folders but I've tried to cut and paste into a folder, and nothing works. Douglas Spotted Eagle is the guy to talk to - I've purchased his book, but it obviously and could not cover every detail...he may answer your question. He doesn't like to be e-mailed..but will possibly answer your question here if he sees its.
Dean
Dan Keaton April 24th, 2006, 12:45 PM Yes, I believe this is possible in Vegas 6.0. I do not know about 5.0.
Create an event, then right click on it, and then one of the options will create another take. Sorry, but I do not have Vegas 6.0 or the manual handy at this moment.
Edit: I have just downloaded the manual and can not find this feature. I remember doing this but can not be certain of the exact steps.
Bill Porter April 24th, 2006, 01:08 PM Another way is to select a section and do Render Selection As.
James Binder April 24th, 2006, 04:04 PM Thanks for the input all...
Looks like Tools> 'render to new track' is about as close as I can get to the function I'm looking for. Kind of what Bill was suggesting --(thanks for the idea), but with the clip imported into the media bin...
Thanks again --
Fred Finn April 24th, 2006, 04:27 PM lol ok thanks.
Ron Coleman April 24th, 2006, 05:42 PM Which training DVD do you have?
Peter Jefferson April 24th, 2006, 05:43 PM i wouldnt be surprised if it does...
u gotta understand, that DVDArchitect is STRICTLY built or updated once STANDARDS are set by the DVDForum. Once a standard is set, THAT is when DVD architect openly supports the format.. no sooner...
if it bcomes an official standard, then and only then will dvd architect support it..
this is why DVD architect DOESNT support mpg audio.. as mpg audio is not a mandatory audio format, whereas RAW and AC3 are mandatory. The rest (mpg/dts) are all elective formats, which DVDA doesnt support.. although it WOULD b enice to be able to author a AC3 with an added DTS track... but thats a long shot...
Ron Coleman April 24th, 2006, 06:56 PM Does your PC have a WinTV PVR card installed?
Peter Jefferson April 24th, 2006, 08:15 PM jsut curious if anyone know whether theres been an update to the auto levels plugin ???
Reason is is that i find its a brilliant tool BUT sometimes it fluctuates, which is somethign i dont want.. i heard that there wil be a "lock" feature coming for it soon, but im yet to see or hear about this for quite a while..
any ideas??
Scott Johnston April 24th, 2006, 09:53 PM Anyone got anything at all ?
Milt Lee April 24th, 2006, 10:21 PM Folks, I thought I had this issue solved a while back - the video stutters in the preview window, but renders fine.
I've tried a lot of different things that Spot suggested, then today as I was opening a rocketboom piece (http://rocketboom.com -wonderful blog) I noticed that the sound was seriously jumping stuttering. Not the video but the sound. So I started to look around for what might be happening with Quicktime and my Hammerfall audio card. Sure enough, it seems that the Hammerfall card (dsp multi-face) doesn't like Quicktime. Something about the driver, which they say they are updating very soon.
And it occured to me - that perhaps this is the problem I'm having with Vegas - maybe the hammerfall card DOESN'T like Vegas.
So - does anybody have a Hammerfall audio card, and has it ever caused this problem?
Related question - could an audio card cause an issue with video?
I'm still fighting with this. It's just such a pain to have a beautiful new computer - faster that hell, everything clean and new, and not be able to accurately preview what you are doing to the video.
thanks everybody,
Milt
Richard Bender April 25th, 2006, 06:31 AM I have the DVD from onelessbook.com its the Vegas 6 training. It is pretty good.
Yi Fong Yu April 25th, 2006, 10:35 AM pete,
imho, DVD forum's "standards" aren't consistent. why? you've got all these studio-authored DVD (classics most of them) that can do 96khz Mono DD1.0 and be played back across all types of DVD players, but DVD Architect won't accept a DD1.0 file. so... i've had to resort to DVD Labs and other DVD authoring tools. if the studios can do it, i want that ability too. same with the new HD discs. if they can do, i shuold be able too, as well, if not better. =).
Peter Jefferson April 25th, 2006, 11:26 AM oh i totally agree.. teh fact that vegas lets u render ac3 out to any ac3 standard is brilliant, BUT the fact that DVDArchitect DOESNT is a shitter to say the least.. I think this is more so a fact of licensing as opposed to actual capabilities of teh SW, as i dont se why it CANT author these discs technically... but again, more than anything its probably a licensing issue, as stereo and DD5.1 are far more common than any other format..
Darryl Grob April 25th, 2006, 05:58 PM I had never had access to MM until I upgraded to Vegas 6d. Previous editions had tried, unsuccessfully, to install MM, but never pulled it off. I finally just disabled MM to avoid confronting your error msg every time I booted up.
Not sure which version of Vegas your're using, but that's been my story. Good luck.
Darryl
Mike Kujbida April 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM Another possible fix is to download and install the trial of Acid Pro 6.
Graham Bernard (aka Grazie) had not been able to get Media Manager working. He did this and it cured his problems :-)
Apparently it comes with (a new version of) Media Manager 2.1 that remains even if you do an uninstall of the program.
Graham Bernard April 26th, 2006, 12:41 AM Another possible fix is to download and install the trial of Acid Pro 6.
Graham Bernard (aka Grazie) had not been able to get Media Manager working. He did this and it cured his problems :-)
Apparently it comes with (a new version of) Media Manager 2.1 that remains even if you do an uninstall of the program.
. . . Hello . . Yup, the ACID thang did it. What comes with it is the newer 2.1 MM. Now I can quickly search and group media events into TAGS and I tend to use it now instead of Explorer. Just make sure you use the UPDATE option within MM - this will bring up to speed the present Library with all your media.
Grazie
Jacob Eirckson April 26th, 2006, 07:59 AM i dont compleately understand but you could either render it. or you could copy and paste "what i do for my movies"
David Jimerson April 26th, 2006, 08:10 AM Probably the quickest way to do it -- especially if you have multiple clips you want to trim -- is to trim the clips in your project, then "Save As" and check the option for creating trimmed copies of the media with the project file.
David Atek April 26th, 2006, 01:34 PM For general performance improvement, if you have an additional HD then move the pagefile.sys to the drive that does not have the OS installed.
Assuming you have Windows XP, go to system properites, advanced, performance, advanced, under virtual memory, change, set drive C to no paging file, then select the other drive and either select custom size or system managed size and click set.
The other thing to keep in mind is to defragment your HD's
Ron Coleman April 26th, 2006, 05:08 PM A WinTV PVR card can cause that symptom, so I'll ask the question again: does your PC have a WinTV card installed?
Todd McCormick April 26th, 2006, 07:30 PM Using my DVX100 I recorded in 24p mode (not advanced) to my FS-4 Pro in AVI Type 2 24p format.
When I import the files/clips to a 24p timeline it drops the fps to 19.1xx fps. If I UNCHECK the "pulldown removal" box under Preferences it runs at 23.976fps (which I know is correct). Should I leave the box unchecked or will it playback wrong? Basically should I trust the numbers?
Also should I have recorded on the FS-4 in the standard AVI Type 2 and would it capture the 24p look?
Thanks for the help!
TM
Brian Shircliffe April 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM I get a similar issue viewing video even from a rendered clip from my computer to a TV. I think that sometimes the field order gets reversed on the TV and the only way to totally make sure that your video is alright is to play in slow motion or slap it on a DVD. or VCD. I have a good DVD player that can ready straight MPEG files from a cd. I render to somethng like 640-480 .mpg or .avi. mpeg1 or 2 will work usually. this is the only sure way to tell I think.
Brian Shircliffe April 27th, 2006, 03:30 AM Perhaps that is just setting 8 as the max? Or the target bit rate? Usually with my projects I dont get bitrates much over 4 or 5 unless its a fast moveing scene or the video is shot poorly. Jerky video always takes up a lot of damn bandwidth... err.
Richard Bender April 27th, 2006, 06:29 AM I have a seperate hard drive where everything for the project goes. Vegas is on the main, differnt, drive. I have a folder for sounds, and video that may be used in other projects and a seperate file set up for the project i am working on. That way I can erase the file after completeing the DVD. I do shoot the tapes only once and keep them.
David Jimerson April 27th, 2006, 07:02 AM How does the FS-4 record? Does it remove pulldown on the fly and record straight 23.976 AVIs?
If it does, the pulldown removal box doesn't have anything to do with it.
If it doesn't, and it's recording 60i files with pulldown, then you need the box checked.
As for the "look," yes, it will retain it as a "standard" AVI.
Dan Euritt April 27th, 2006, 10:46 AM zdravko, the differences in file sizes could be because one encoder is using variable bit rate, and the other is using constant bit rate.
with vbr, you should be able to set the peak at 8800 or so with the vegas mainconcept encoder... that'll take care of just about any scene you want to put on dvd.
however, in the end, the average vbr bitrate is what determines how big the file size will be.
Dan Euritt April 27th, 2006, 10:51 AM good advice in this thread.
beyond that, and kinda o.t. for the thread topic... jeff, when you format a big hard drive to be used strictly for huge files like video, it's best to format it with the biggest block size available.
Kevin Crockett April 27th, 2006, 05:15 PM I just finishing capturing 3 tapes from a recent shoot and I'm encountering something I haven't seen before.
I have scene detection enabled but vegas is only "seeing" 3 separate scenes on each tape ( after capturing I have three very long scenes that cover different aspects of the production).
I know the camera was paused more than three times. I can work around it by capturing manually but I really want to avoid that.
The video was shot on an XL-2 at 60i.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Mike Kujbida April 27th, 2006, 05:33 PM The usual problem in circumstances like this is that your camcorder's clock wasn't set.
Mike
Jim Hawley April 28th, 2006, 02:18 AM Yes, I do have quite a few stills in the project, but it seems to freeze on different ones each time. I read in one post there could be an overheating problem with the hardware...is that right?
I am rendering on a Dell Latitude D800, 512 memory, 40gb and 300 gb hard drives. I have set all the Vegas temp dirs to the larger drives (not C:).
I have tried prerendering portions where the freeze occurs and then rendering the whole project, but no luck.
I am using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum +DVD 6a.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks again,
Jim
Derek Grimes April 28th, 2006, 06:33 AM I am doing a multicamera project. I used 2 xl1 shots and on playback in vegas, they only playback @ around 18 fps. All the others (4 other cameras) are playing back at normal speed. I am just curious why only the xl1 footage is doing this. It renders fine. Just in vegas is where the problem is. All the specs are the same in the video properties. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
PS...these rates are when the tracks are on solo, obviously
Chuck Volm April 28th, 2006, 06:36 AM I've been wondering how to set a "Play All" mode along with my menu based format in DVDA. Currently I used two menus with a short 20 sec. clip as a background, one menu for the pre-reception and one for reception, etc. I have them navigate to the item to view, and so on.
Is there a way to do it?
Don Bloom April 28th, 2006, 07:32 AM If you are using DVDA 3 you can set an END ACTION from the 1st clip to the 2nd-open the first clip set end action to point to the 2nd clip and you're all set.
Don
Don Bloom April 28th, 2006, 07:35 AM If you are seeing this in the preview mode its possible that the footage has some type of effect applied or the opacity is lowered (easy to do accidentally) and in the preview mode Vegas will drop the frame rate to keep up with the effects. Check to make sure you have no effects or that the opacity is lowered but it should render out OK and play at full speed anyway.
Don
John Rofrano April 28th, 2006, 07:57 AM Just to expand on what Don said, if you have two pieces of media (Media-1 and Media-2) and you want to add a Play All button, just copy and paste the Media-1 button and rename it Play All. Then change the End-Action to point to Media-2. You will now have three buttons, one labeled Play All that starts with Media-1 and chains to Media-2 and then one each for Media-1 & Media-2.
~jr
Jim Hawley April 28th, 2006, 08:51 AM Call off the hounds, I fixed it...woo hoo!
Okay, I have learned my lesson about stills and DPI. I read many postings about not needing to use a high DPI with stills but did not think it would hurt anything if I did.
As soon as I converted all images from 600 to 150 dpi, not only was I able to render (finally), but I could actually preview without intermittent stopages. And I don't notice and degredation in image quality, even with a lot of zooming.
Whew...now maybe I can get some sleep...zzzzzz.
Peter Jefferson April 28th, 2006, 12:21 PM Another option apart from teh "end actions" as mentioned here, is to create a playlist.
Playlists are brilliant for bits and piece lije this however, you shoudl note that each titl set you insert (ie every individual piece of media) CANNOT extend its chapter listing past itself.. as an example, youve got 4 differnt MPGS. Prep, Ceremony, Photoshoot and reception.
Now when u import these into DVDA, u CAN creat scene selection scenes for EACH MPG, BUT, the only way to create ONE Scene selection for ALL MPGS you need to do it manually, which if anyone has used Encore, will know its a fiddly bitch to deal with.
What ive been doing if my projects require, i set them out this way (rare) is inport all material and create a play all button using a playlist,
then for each clip, i name it "play preparations, Play ceremony, play photoshoot etc etc" people then think that this are the chapters.
Then i put marker in every 10 moinutes or so and i write down the "title listing" on the back cover.. its not the best way to do the whole kit and kaboodle, but i create DVDs in less than half an hour using this method. If i did it the other wya, then id be there all day...
Derek Grimes April 28th, 2006, 01:22 PM Is there one multicam program that is better than another? I currently have excalibur and its okay but it seems to be tempermental. I really do not like the way the tracks have to be named. Just curious if they are about the same or there are advantages to them
Thanks
Jim Hawley April 28th, 2006, 01:43 PM I just want to be able to move the volume points with more control. The mouse is a pain. At the very least it would be nice to use a key to hold a point's X or Y coordinate while I drag it with the mouse. Ideally I would like to move a point with the keyboard arrows.
Any tips?
Thanks,
Jim
Don Bloom April 28th, 2006, 02:18 PM There is UltimateS by Vasst however I don't use it. I've been using Excalibur since it came out and frankly I've never really had a problem with it. then naming of the tracks is a simple as 1,2,3...that's really all you have to do. As for it being tempramental sometimes if I've been running my edit station for too long without restarting it (talking about days not hours) Excalibur can be a bit slow to open but then so is Photoshop so I just shutdown and reboot-no big deal for me.
Perhaps you could explain in a bit more detail why you feel Excalibur is tempramental and maybe it's a simple fix.
Don
Brian K Jones April 28th, 2006, 02:46 PM It was mentioned in another post that a Sony Media rep at NAB had said Vegas 7 is due out this fall. One of the big additions is XDCAM HD support, and suport for their new Cinescore software. I'm sure there will many other enhancements...
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