I too love my new NLE.

New machine upgraded from 6.5 to 1.5.

Fantastic performance. Hasn't crashed once (touch synthetic wood looking desk)

Spent a good while last night personalising the keyboard shortcuts (trying to line them up with my premier keyboard)

Absolutely fantastic!!!!

My project is split up over 3 scenes, and the maximum length of captured footage I have at one time is 5 minutes. I have premiere pro 1.0, getting 1.5 today to see if it fixes the problem. If not, I'm switching to Vegas 5. There's no excuse for how bad the program is running. Even when I'm not doing anything, and its been sitting there for a while, if I try to switch in or out then in, it takes 2 minutes to get back "in"(having the window in focus, and being able to see all its contents).

The only thing I see here that I'm afraid might be true is that I don't have enough power going to my hard drives. MY power supply is 400watts, but I have 3 hard drives. (Though, I had these problems a week ago when I only had 2) So mabye that's not it. I really just wish I could edit this project at a good pace, and not have to worry about it locking up everytime it has to do something beyond just editing.

I see some other errors too. Sometimes when I export, if the end of the movie has no video, but an mp3 or wav continues to play, it will freeze the rendering, and just stay stuck there at that frame of the rendering process.

Sometimes when I add an effect to some footage premiere crashes.

Premiere has really bad sound export functionality. If you add any audio gain to any audio in your project, it will sound find in the preview. It sounds louder like it should. But when it's exported, and you listen to it on the avi, all of the loud parts are messed up, like the microphone popped when it was recorded.

Besides the problems, I think premiere is a great program. If I didn't have these problems, I would be very happy with it's functionality ect, but thee problems are too much.

Check you windows Task Manager, and look and see how much memory the premiere process is taking. It could be that your machine is swapping.

checking the swap file is a good idea... but you since you have a ton of ram, it shouldn't be doing that.

premiere 1.0 was a beta p.o.s. that should have never been released to the public... and the 1.5 update should have been free to the people who bought 1.0.

if you go to the adobe.com premiere forum, you'll see a whole bunch of complaints about premiere 1.0... i don't know if your specific lag problems were one of the many issues people complained about, but it would be a good idea to use the search feature to find out... good luck!

dang, where is the thumbs up button on this board :-)

rob, your post ought to be a sticky at the top of every forum! in fact, it ought to be mandatory reading before you can even access the forum!!

I also have a gig of memory, and depending on what effects i used premiere would actually start paging. I have premiere 6.5, 1.0 and 1.5 and yes, 1.5 does have much better memory usage than 1.0.

mp3 is an old-skool codec that isn't nearly as efficient as some of the newer audio codecs... pretty much the same goes for sorensen... if you don't need the quicktime format itself, you'll get higher quality for the same bandwidth with windows media.

I've just ordered the upgrade to 1.5. Had nothing but pain and trouble with ppro 1.0 with the matrox card. Hopefully i will follow in your footsteps with 1.5. Can't wait!

The most footage that I have loaded into my NLE at one time is 12 hours in 1 hour increments. I have found that Premeire, at least 5.1c, crashes when a clip that is more than an hour long is placed in the timeline when the audio track is expanded for band level adjustment or whatever. I cut with Premeire 5.1c on the desktop which is what this monster project was done with and 6.5 on the laptop. Now, this desktop is configured and used only as an editor and that's it. I don't run any other programs, especially when editing, or even allow it to access the internet for obvious reasons. My desktop PC/NLE, an IBM Intellistation, has twin 600 mhz P3 processors and only 512 megs of RAM but I do have two dedicated 10K RPM SCSI 146 gig video drives for fast seek times which allows for around 27 hours of video to be stored even after formatting. I have found that Premeire, at least 5.1, starts to act up when a project nears or exceeds an hour in length. I attempted to create a two hour project, mentioned above, and got the sh!t scared out of me when it started freezing up shortly into the second hour of the project. So, I found a natural break in the program content and split the project in half. Once I finished the second half, I held my breath and imported the second half into and at the tail of the first half just for the export to tape. Premeire and/or the PC also could not handle rendering the effects/filters all at once. So I had to render the entire timeline in sections. It worked but before I figured out the solution, I was really nervous. As far as short format projects, I never have any problems.

Although I think Windows Media can do some great stuff I have
to disagree about the Sorenson 3 codec. Look at the stuff Apple
is doing with those movie trailers. Awesome quality at more
than managable sizes in my humble opinion.

Hi Abby,

You can use the audio mixer to pan the audio to the left or right, on a per track bases. So say that you want audio track 1 to be on the left side, then you simply turn the pan knob to the left hand side (L), when you then play the audio back it should only appear on the left.

Hope this helps,

Have you tried to make a copyfile of the project in the project folder.
Call it project-b and try to open it. The advantage is that it has to reconform the audio and recalculate the transitions.The chance that it helps is minor but at least the project makes a clean start and you keep the original project as un unaffected reference.

If this does not work you can open the project within an ordinary html-editor or XML-editor and look what is wrong or cut it in parts to safe the good part (s). You can also use a unix editor.

May be it will safe a lot of work. And while working on a copy you cannot spoil anything.


PS For learning make three miniprojects
1. one with one clip and
2. one with two clips and .
3. one with a simple transition
and see how they are stored and try to distract one clip form the last one. That is all you need to know to divide your project in parts.

If you don't know where it goes wrong in yr big movie divide the movie in 2 equal parts and divide the bad part in 2 and so on. That is the fastest way to find the error. When it is found: cut it out, re-edit it and consolidate the good parts before and after that point within premiere.
Added music will be the most difficult thing in splitting I think.

Hi Ed,
thanks for your reply. I haven't had to deal with audio too much with my previous projects, so I'm a newbie in that department.

I will try what you suggested.

Thanks again

I'm using an old Premiere 6 PC NLE and having problems. I needed to delete the last 1/4 of my project (copy I'm working on)because things got out of sync. I want to take the last 1/4 from the original, which is in sync, and copy that portion and then paste it into the copy project. How do I do that?

Thanks,

heath

one other thing, I can't open two projects at once, the original and the copy. I think that's why I can't get the copy and paste from the last 1/4 of the original into the last 1/4 of the copy.

HELP!

thanx,

heath

the source footage that's used for those quicktime movie trailers is full-on pro stuff... they better look good!

since there isn't any basis for comparison, wrt those movie trailers, you have to test the formats with your own source footage.

I thought u could import(but not open) projects (as After Effects can).
I may be wrong.

I don't use PRemiere at all, so can you explain a little more?

thanx,

heath

Havent used Premeire for a long while.
But in After Effects you can import one project into another like any other media e.g. quicktimes,pix, audio etc.
The imported project will nest in your new project in its own sequence and bin.

See if that works. (not 100% sure myself)

Try exporting the part you want as an avi. That will lock audio and video. Sorry... the best I can come up with.

I ended up importing the whole project, then deleting the stuff I don't need. Then, I moved over what I did need, praying that it wouldn't go out of sync, like last time. It didn't, thankfully. But, man, that's why I use FCP.

hwm

Got a trial version of Cooledit 2, and tried the "gliding stretch filter". That was just what I wanted.

The video is easier to slow down in chunks, since there are some scene changes anyway.

I'm surprised how well the audio quality is preserved btw.

Thanks for the help.

Hey Heath,

How long was your project?

P6 has been out for such a long time (4 years I think). So obviously there will be major differences between it and FCP. Plus P6 had a few to many bugs... Saying that I manged to work with it OK.

Premiere Pro has nested sequences, which would have helped you in this situation.

Cheers,

Yeah, we have a new monster of a Dell with Premiere Pro in it. That's cool.

hwm

Granted but if you look at the images in pro vs non-pro formats, like DV, where tape speed is one of the factors, there is a difference. Most of us will never see it. In fact, DV footage is sort of hyper-real anyway. Very sharp and defined, crisper colors with less gradient, etc.

Just saw last night, one of those 300 doctors shows on one of the cable networks is shot with Sony VX cameras. They got a shooter in one of their shots. Looks like a run and gun 2 camera affair.

Sean

This may be a silly question, but if someone could enlighten me, I’d be grateful. Very often I need to to put together a few minutes of video (about a gigbyte, raw) and send it off to someone. I frequently get phone calls from people that the clips wouldn’t run on their computers, or DVD players, or that the download takes too long, or the playback is jerky, etc.
There are so many codecs and formats to choose from when deciding how to export from Premiere, some of very poor quality. Is there sort of an industry standard codec that most people use to share their work on CD or DVD that can be relied on to run on everyone’s equipment? Is there one that doesn’t compress the data too much? I don’t mean Internet distrubution, but media that you send via UPS or Fedex.
Thanks for any thoughts.

The BEST compatible format we have today is DVD-Video. This is
ALWAYS MPEG2 and it CAN look as good as a commercial DVD with
proper encoding and software. Keep in mind that this is NOT the
same as a DVD-Rom (or data disc) with some movie on it!

The problem with every other format like QuickTime / AVI / WMV
etc. is that not everybody has it installed or the latest codec.
The other universal format that truly every system can playback
is MPEG1 (with a .MPG extension). However, this is low resolution
(320x240) and will not look very good (it can look pretty decent).

So for looking at compatability first and then quality second I
would come to the this list:

1. DVD-Video (very good quality if properly encoded)

2. MPEG1 (.MPG) / VideoCD (medium quality if properly encoded)

3. Windows Media / WMV ((very) good quality if poperly encoded)

4. QuickTime Sorenson

Why do I place WMV above QuickTime? The reason is compatability.
You have a better chance that the target playback platform will be
a PC instead of a Mac.

What you can always do is include multiple formats! I delivered
a project to a friend of mine and it included the following discs:

1. One DVD+R as a DVD-Video
2. One SVCD (super video CD, not very compatible) disc
3. One VCD (video CD) disc
4. One CD-ROM with both AVI and QuickTime on it

It all depends on your options. But if your clients can playback
DVD then I would distribute in that format. If you want to be
safe you can send a DVD-R and a +R version for example.

Not everyone has a DVD player in the computer yet, so that's
why I choose to include a seperate CD for the AVI/QT files.

Web:
You could take the shotgun approach and *hopefully* the client can play one of them. Do Windows Media 7/8/9, Quicktime (sorenson3 + IMA/qdesign/MPEG4 audio), and MPEG1 for web. (I stay away from Real because the player tries to hijack your system) Dial-up users will likely have problems and should have something mailed to them.

If you're mailing something to them:

DVD- Use good media so you don't run into compatibility issues. see http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

VCD - This can play back on most DVD players. It will also play back on nearly all computers. You can author it with a autorun.ini file to get Windows machines to automatically open up the movie.

VHS - good ole VHS. Quality about the same as VCD.

I am not to sure what you mean. Do you wish to edit on your computer and then send the file you edited to another editor to finish it off?

If so then MPEG files will not be of any help. The reason being that an MPEG file is normally made up of IBP frames (GOP - Group of pictures), thus making it hard to edit accurately.

If you wish to exchange files with another editor then you would first need to find out what their NLE is capable of using. Generally speaking a standard Microsoft AVI file should do if you are both working on PC.

If you are looking at just showing your work then an MPG with the audio multiplexed would do OK when viewing on a PC.

Cheers,

Ed

<<<-- Originally posted by Bankim Jain : Howd we do this i AF5 i havent tried it before in AF !! ANY help please !!! -->>>

I'm suprised that time remapping isn't featured in premiere pro... anyways its very simple in after effects, chose layer then scroll down till you see "enable time remapping"... Just screw around and you'll get it...

I had the same F*#king problem 2 weeks ago... "File appears to be damaged" what caused this for me was... I created a new folder to move my project into, after I moved the project file into the new folder I got that error message every time I tried to open in up... I had lost like 7 hours of work... Your probably screw...Sorry

Hi Abby,

I have not really used this feature in Premiere Pro. But generally speaking premiere only conforms audio to make it compatible with your current project settings. i.e. if you have set a project for 48000KHz ,16bit and you import an audio file that is different to this i.e 32000KHz, 12bit, premiere would then conform the audio for the project.

Make sure that the files you are creating in audition are the same format for your premiere project.

You can always delete the 'old' conformed audio files, and then import in your editied audio, which it will then conform.

Hope this helps,

Ed

Thanks, everyone for all the information. Now, if I can find a place to buy MPEG2 software for Premiere 6.0...

Steve: didn't Premiere come with one? If not, then don't look into
MPEG encoding software *for* Premiere, just get Canopus ProCoder.

It is the best encoder available at the moment and isn't that
expensive. After you are done in Premiere with edit you export
the movie and load it up into ProCoder.

What DVD authoring software will you be using? Because some of
them will have an MPEG2 encoder onboard as well and you can
just load your AVI into them. So you might want to look into that
before shelling out for a seperate encoder.

Premiere 6 should already be able to export to MPEG 2. I think it was done via Cleaner. If you upgrade to 6.5 there is a built in MPEG encoder made by Main Concept, that does a pretty good job with these things. Then all you need is a DVD authoring package/ DVD burner if you wish to create DVD's /VOB files.

Thanks,

just an update...
i did my timelapse shot by filming in real time and then taking it into pro1.5. a tip to anyone trying this...open the footage in a separate project (or a separate would do) adjust the speed/duration to desired effect and then export it as a movie. then you can bring it into your real project as a much smaller file then the original!
it worked out fine for me...
thanks again for the comments!

marc

sorry that should have read (or a separate sequence would do)

My short questions are:
1. what's your operating system?
2. what's your capture card?

Here's the background:
I am in the unenviable position of needing to spec a new machine for someone else in my building that is "the same" as the machine that I'm using. Except that my machine was configured about 2 years ago when I got here. They bought Premiere 6.5 just before I started and I was ok with that because it was software I knew. And since the machine sitting on my desk then was 3 years old the IT guys helped me get a new one. It's a Dell (because we have a standing deal with dell) with a Matrox RT2500 capture card running on Windows 2000 Professional. I can't give you too many details on the computer itself because my login privileges don't allow me to access stuff like the device manager.

Well, Premiere 6.5 isn't being made anymore, though I've found a couple of resellers on Amazon who claim to have new copies available. And Pro is only good for Windows XP. The RT2500 isn't being made anymore and the cards that Matrox is selling they spec as only compatible with XP. On this I'm with the IT guys, I don't want to expose our network to the vulnerabilities of XP. I'd rather switch editing software than switch operating systems, and if I was going to switch OS I'd go to the Mac with Final Cut.

But I think the easiest answer is to buy one of these old copies of 6.5 and switch capture cards. I just want to make sure that whatever card I select is actually going to work.

Thoughts? Advice? Warning bells?

Thanks,
Kris

My old system is 3 years, old but I use xp... as far as capture cards, I have the DV 500 "Pinnacle" working with 6.5 and it's never givin me a problem... as for 6.5, I think it sucks compared to Premiere Pro... Check it out

i used to be an i/t guy, the last thing i/t people want to do is to mix mac's and pc's... xp would be a much better choice from that perspective; if your i/t guys can't address the "vulnerabilities" of xp, then your company needs to find some competent i/t help.

if the second pc isn't for a full-time editor, you could just get a generic win2k pc with a firewire port, install premiere 6.5, and go to work... the main thing you'd be giving up is some real-time transition capability, but most of your graphics and video clips would still be interchangeable.

1. Does PP 1.5 allow me to here audio scrubbing on external monitors "Speakers" I've got my fire wire hooked up to my Mini Dv Deck to here and see on external devices... Using a SB Audigy Sound Card...I can her it scrub through my PC Speakers, But not my external Monitors.

2. I had to return my Matrox card because it wasn't compatible with my machine... Tech support also told me that the matrox doesn't work well with Xeon Processors, and I've got 2 of them... Maybe I'll just call Adobe about this...

For what it's worth, I'm using Premiere 6.1 and Win2k, with the Canopus DV Storm card and breakout box.

I can't answer your first question and I am wondering what the
second question is about? Why did you want a Matrox or any
other card?

Hi Pat,

1. Have you selected to use audio on DV hardware? To check this go to project settings > General, select Playback settings and make sure that it is selected. Unfortunately you can not have both (DV hardware and your SB card scrubbing at the same time. It’s either one or the other.

2. I trust you are talking about the Matrox RTX 100? Hardware accelerators are a bit picky about the hardware it is connected to. That’s why the manufacturer has a recommended/ minimum system spec. Premiere (software only) should run OK with your MB and processors, I believe.

Well, after a day of reading up on stuff, and finally at the end of the day being allowed to talk to this new user, I'm leaning toward having them capture directly through their firewire port. They have neither expertise nor interest in doing complicated stuff, and it saves me from having to stay on top of their card as well as mine.

DAN: Yes, I'm more likely to get XP than to get Mac, but in reality they aren't going to give me either. And if I let myself start down the path of "finding competent i/t help" I'll be telling stories like the help desk manager saying "Be sure to buy something that Kris understands because my folks won't be able to help either one of them."

Thanks for all your thoughts.

Hey all,

I keep hearing about the various pulldowns (16:9, etc.), and I think I'm familiar with the concept, but the term still slightly confuses me. To my understanding, a "pulldown" occurs when you convert aspect ratios, say 4:3 to 16:9. I know it can probably get complicated, but can someone please explain just exactly what a "pulldown" is, and how they are done in post production?

I know that you can choose aspect ratios in Premiere, but does pulling down refer to some additional process? Please clarify.

Thanks!

Firewire is definitely the easiest and fastest way to go.

A pulldown has actually nothing to do with 16:9, you have:

1) 16:9 / anamorphic / widescreen: this is a widescreen mode where your image is wider than it is tall. You can fake it or get it with a true 16:9 camera or with a anamorphic attachment for your lens

2) 3:2 pulldown is the method to store 24 fps material in 30 fps for transfer over a system that does not support 24 fps native (like DV) and then convert it back to the original 24 fps without loosing any quality or (spatial) resolution

So yes pulling down is a different process. Changing aspect
ratio from 4:3 to 16:9 is usually pretty easy. I'm not working in
Premiere anymore so I can't help you with how to do that
exactly in that package, sorry.

Rob- Thanks for the clarification! You reaffirmed what I previously thought about 16:9 cams & anamorphic attachments, and your explanation of the 3:2 pulldown was most helpful, as I had heard of 3:2 pulldowns before but exactly what they meant was a litle hazy to me. Thanks again!

I don't want anyone to have to explain the whole process, so does anyone know of a good site that explains the entire process of the 3:2 pulldown for Premiere Pro?

sorry to hear about the limitations of your i/t department!

but i understand how it is, the holy grail for i/t is standardize, standardize, standardize...

one thing i would also look at is whether or not your new user needs to share a premiere edl with you... some of the transitions you have may not be available on their system.