Hint: It's a western.

Answer: One of my favorite Peckinpah films of all time: The Wild Bunch, from 1969.

Actor delivering the line was Edmond O'Brien. Thanks for that, Hugh!

Hang on while I dig up a quote to throw back at y'all...

By the way, I've moved this thread and the earlier quote game from The TOTEM Poll to Awake In The Dark.

Way to go, Chris! One of Edmond Obrien's finest cinematic moments.

Okay y'all, it's still my turn. But I gotta ask for clarification on something.

Earlier up in post #328, Mike Horrigan challenged us with this quote:

To which, Andy Graham replied in post #330:

...and promptly took his turn with a challenge of his own. All well and good, but honestly I've been wracking my brain trying to remember exactly where this line is delivered in Citizen Kane. I thought I knew it inside and out, but that particular line really has me stumped. Which scene is it in?

By the way, this thread is now a "sticky."

I don't remember the line either from Citizen Kane. Doesn't seem like it's in it either for some reason; kind of a different mood than the movie.


edit: OK, from IMDb - "Charles Foster Kane: I can see you. I know who you are. I watch you... I KNOW. I am what you see. I am what you watch. I am it. I am the hands. I am the feet. I am the eyes. I am the body. I. AM. ROSEBUD. ROOOOSEBUUUD... THE WATCHER. THE FEAR. THE ETERNAL. THE SAINT! You are nothing."

Is this the speech Kane gives when he is on his death bed and he says Rosebud?

Well, the quote is listed in the Citizen Kane entry on IMDB at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033467/quotes

But I'm tellin' ya, I've *never* heard that line anywhere in that movie during the dozens of times I've seen it. I'll take two hours for lunch today and watch the DVD again but I'm pretty sure it's not in there.

IMDB has never been known to have very accurate quotes... often the gist of a line will be there, but not the actual word-for-word verbage. One such example, from the same Citzen Kane page:

IMDB quote: "You can't buy a bag of peanuts in this town without someone writing a song about you."

Actual quote: "You buy a bag of peanuts in this town, and you get a song written about you."

Charlie Kane doesn't give a speech from his death bed... he just says "Rosebud" (and then the glass ball drops to the floor and breaks). He said it one time earlier, upon finding the same glass ball after doing an all-out Keith Moon job on Susan's room. This is according to Raymond, the butler (he knows where all the bodies are buried).

Anybody have any insight? And it's still my turn by the way.

I remember hearing this quote, maybe it was on a special features disc or something? I can't quite place it.

For what it's worth, I looked up the quote because I couldn't remember it "word for word."

I do know this, all he says at the beginning of the regular version is "Rosebud".

Still, I've heard that quote before. Hence, why I looked it up.

Mike

I knew the quote was associated with the movie only because it was a sticking point for a movie trivia round I played with some friends some long time ago. All of us were involved with production and had alot of experience memorizing film lines. One of them presented this particular line and had us all stumped for days and we all had to forfeit.

We did the same thing. Most of us had seen the film and STUDIED it at length, although for me I hadn't seen it in a LOOONNNGGG time, but I was one of the ones who originally argued against the line. We went through it every way imaginable:

Was it a succession of speakers in a chaotic audio stream? ( a technique Welles 'fostered' to aide narrative transitions)

Was it embedded through a succession of newspaper headlines or clippings? (quasi-quotes as they are not spoken?)

I couldn't place it and I put up a fight. The player in question finally presented a print-out of movie quotes, but I don't know the source. I also cannot remember him officially placing it in the movie,(ie: acting out the scene from which is came) and if I had to guess, I would suspect it was from a piece that probably didn't make the final theatrical release but was 'explored' on one of the segments of the 2 disc special features edition that examines the movie and its production. If so, then I can see Kane saying half of the quote, but not all of it, and thusly can understand why it was cut. I also don't see it as part of a potential part of the 'American' speech as it doesn't feel right for the flow, but I can see part of it as part of an impassioned arguement in which Kane derides his many critics.

In any case, I immediately associated the quote to the movie due to its having messed up a perfectly good trivia game once before. I don't think we ever got that one settled, but now with the power of the internet, I am certainly curious about getting it settled this time.
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UPDATE: Before posting this, I just ran a lengthy search and found this quote listed online from a number of sources, but at a cursory glance they all seem to be a cut & paste job sourcing from the same material - perhaps an erroneous post to the imdb site? Maybe even an intentional hoax??? If so, what I would give to go back in time to the earlier game I had to forfeit!!!

I don't know, but based on the placement of the quote, it suggests perhaps in the earlier segments of the film - which doesn't correspond to anything in my own memory.

I just spent morning browsing through an online version of the script and also couldn't find it listed in there anywhere.

Does anyone know if it was from a cut scene that is explored in a DVD feature? (I assumed the theatrical release was the 'director's cut)

Just curious.

-Jon

Also, if it turns out to be from a 'special feature', I don't think it can really qualify as a quote from the movie.

-Jon

I was pretty sure that the only time Kane said the word Rosebud was on his deathbed. But is has been a while.

EDIT - oops, yeah, I forgot about the snowglobe.

I've got a copy of Pauline Kael's Citizen Kane Book which contains both the complete shooting script by Mankiewicz & Welles plus the final cutting continuity from RKO, and those lines are not in there (and they're definitely not in the film, either). At this point I'm leaning toward the IMDB hoax theory: somebody probably submitted the bogus lines as a joke, and they were most likely published automatically without any fact checking on IMDB's side.

There are hardly any "deleted scenes" from Kane that were actually filmed. Robert L. Carringer's book "The Making of Citizen Kane" has an appendix devoted to pre-production sketches of scenes that didn't make the final script, back when it was called "American," mostly dealing with Kane's first wife Emily and the death of their son Howard. However there was a brothel sequence called "Georgie's Place" that made it through photography, which after an objection from the Hays Office was re-worked as the Inquirer celebration.

ha ha...thanks for your insightful post, Chris. I can't wait to print it out and send it to my old friend who caused such a stir in my old game. I haven't seen him in a long time so it will be unexpected to 'revisit' the issue. You know what they say; "Time wounds all heels."

I'm am now of the accord that imdb was hoaxed. Then it got picked up by Amazon, and from there, numerous other sources began referencing it. It will now forever be associated with the film, yet was never even a part of its production. I would never have considered it had it not been for the quote having surfaced before.

FWIW, I would personnaly prefer posters initiate rounds by posting quotes they are personally familiar with and can reference actor and scene if necessary as opposed to having found it on the net and copied it over. What strikes me about this one is that of all the references I have seen of it, they all seem to be identical in terms of punctuations and capitalizations - which are fairly complex for this quote, so the single source hoax seems to make sense to me.

-Jon

Well, I went ahead and created an error ticket for IMDB asking them to remove it from their Citizen Kane quotes page (my note reads bogus lines -- this quote is fake and does not appear in Citizen Kane). Supposedly it'll take two to four weeks for an IMDB editor to review and approve or deny the correction. Honestly I can't believe this hasn't been caught before... or maybe it has, and the hoaxer keeps submitting those lines? Which would indicate that IMDB might be a little sloppy regarding that process. We'll see soon enough I guess.

Meanwhile I'll have a movie quote game challenge for you shortly...

Okay, you won't find this quote on IMDB. Two hints: it's an Academy Award winning black and white classic, and it's a true story.

Shorty: "Ted! Ted! Hey, Ted! Ted! Hey! Put these someplace, will ya?"

Ted: "What are they?"

Shorty: "Sizzle platters! I got the phonograph in my ship but I haven't got room for the records. We'll meet in Chungking and cut a Chinese rug!"

Ted: "Okay, Shorty!"

Bonus Questions: What's happening during this dialog? And later on, Ted won't be able to cut a rug. Why?

Bud: "Hey, Army! Hey, Ted! Give 'em hell for me!"

Ted: "When we get to Chungking we'll tell 'em it was a Navy show too!"

Bud: "They'll know that when they see how broke you are! Good hunting!"

Might need to post a hint for this one. Seems pretty obscure.
Although, B&W films are not my speciality. ;)

I'll keep posting dialog and hints every so often. This one is geared toward the Turner Classic Movies crowd.

Cool, I actually enjoy the Turner Classic's, but this doesn't ring any bells.
They are also playing a ton of Oscar nominated features at the moment.

Good luck, gang!

Cheers,

Mike

Ted: "Put the flaps up."

Dean: "We didn't even have them down!"

Ted: "How do you like that -- I wonder what else we forgot?"

One of only a few minor historical inaccuracies in the movie. The flaps on Ted's airplane were actually down when they took off. Bonus question: who was it that really did take off with flaps up, and why?

These quotes are great. I want to rent this movie now ... whatever it is.

I could keep on going, but it's time now to give this thing away:

Okay, Chris. Looks like this one is lingering too long, and just so it doesn't drag on for ANOTHER THIRTY SECONDS, I'll drop a few remarks in hoping to GET A LEG UP on this round.

My initial response to reading you clues was thinking about "No Time for Sargeants", which is completely the opposite of the one you are actually hinting, but due to your hints (planes....true story...Academy Award...etc) I'm going to have to go with one I saw sparingly probably about 21 years ago. (I managed a video store in the mid to late 80s so I ran alot of classics on the floor loop during the weekday mornings but only saw them sporadically due to transactions. We ran alot of Academy Classics Series and I think this may have been one of them...not sure.)

Anyway, your film is "30 SECONDS OVER TOKOYO" and is based on the documented events surrounding the Doolittle Raid. (The History Channel ran a few specials on it some few months ago.)


What else? Mission prep. They are speaking in ad-hoc code.

Well, lets just say Ted's become a bit of a stumper.

-Jon

Or are they in mid-mission? correct here if wrong.

And just for the record, I began typing my guess before your give-away clue.
-J.

Good for you, Jonathan! It is in fact Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo. This movie has been on my mind recently not only because it ran on Turner Classics the other day, but also because the 65th reunion of the Doolittle Raiders is taking place in nearby San Antonio in April.

Now for the bonus questions breakdown:

What's happening during the "sizzle platters" dialog? The air crews are getting ready to take off from the deck of the Hornet. Ted won't be able to cut a rug later because of a very serious injury.

Who was it that really did take off with flaps up, and why? Lt. Bill Farrow's airplane, the last of sixteen B-25s to leave the deck of the Hornet that morning, took off without benefit of flaps because the pilots were startled by an accident. A sailor slipped and fell into one of the spinning propellers on Farrow's aircraft, losing an arm. The mishap wasn't fatal, but in the resulting confusion, the flaps were cycled again which retracted them to the up position. Since they were the last aircraft to take off, they had the benefit of extra deck space for a longer takeoff roll and were therefore just barely able to get into the air without flaps.

Anyway, it's a great movie, one of my all-time favorites: Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo. All yours, Jonathan!

Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo... I've never seen it! Sounds like a very interesting flick though. I wonder if it will be playing on my cable network... maybe on the classics station that I have. We get some of the Turner Classics on occasion. If not then I'll have to request it.

Nice choice!

Mike

Wow! I thought of that movie when I read your first clue, but only because I sat down and watched most of it with my dad last Sunday afternoon. I kept pointing out the way the bomber would jump up and over the trees on approach, then climb from ground level to bombing level in less than 2 seconds. I guess I'm spoiled from watching more modern effects!

Mark

Okay, the conch is mine, so here goes....


Person 1: "We're goin' in there with nuthin'."

Person 2: "We're goin' in there like everybody else. Nine guys, no weapons."



I expect this will be guessed really quickly, so for a bonus: Briefly describe the basis for this dialogue.

-Jon

Ocean's Eleven? Going into the casino. 9 makes sense because i think 2 of them were look outs

Nope. Try again. (Nice try though.)
-Jon

... Ocean's Twelve? I haven't seen it, but I didn't know if it was the same type of thing.

Nah, what I meant by "nice try" was that I could easily imagine the quote being spoken in one of the 'Ocean's' movies, but in any case, you are still way off. There's pretty much no similarity between Ocean's Eleven, or Twelve and the movie I'm quoting from.

Here's a quick hint. The film I quoted from was released in 1979.

I thought this would go really quickly, I'm sure most folks on this thread have seen this movie at least once. But if its not picked up by tomorrow, I'll lay down another quote from it tomorrow afternoon.

Try again.
-Jon

At first I thought it was "the outsiders" but then the year nixed that idea.
Still thinking, maybe one more clue would help.

Oh, it's a shame that I have to take the throne back so quickly... but we gotta keep this train moving.

Jonathan's quote is from one of the great low-budget cult classics of all time: The Warriors.

The basis for this dialog: very early in the movie. The boys are on their way into the Bronx to attend a gigantic conclave called by Cyrus (can you dig it), president of the biggest gang in the City. In compliance, they're not packing. It's supposed to be a peaceful gathering... but it doesn't turn out that way.

This is a Walter Hill film, which means it's practically Peckinpah. Right up my alley! Back at ya with another quote shortly,

I just called it the throne... Jonathan called it the conch... it's probably been called lots of things before in this thread, but I propose that from now on we call it The Remote.

Well At least I was on the right track, Maybe with another clue I would have guessed it, oh well. I haven't seen the warriors in years, I knew it had something to do with a rumble. Alright Chris, you have the mic.

Thanks Chris. I had hoped to get back much earlier to lay down another clue, but got REALLY swamped this weekend and wasn't able to get back to the thread.

It was indeed The Warriors and Chris swept that up admirably.

Now that he is once again in possession of The Remote, I anticpate a need for a well tuned thinking cap. I await the next round.
-Jon

Okay, took awhile to think of this one... reaching back a ways, from 1980.

First Guy (can't speak due to injury): "Mmmm-mmm!"

Second Guy: "What's he sayin'?"

Third Guy: "He said to tell ya we done it for Dixie and nothin' else."

Sound familiar but can't put your finger on it? More quotes to follow.

Well, I know I don't know the answer, but just cuz its sitting here, I'm gonna take a quick stab at it, though I know its wrong. I gotta get this ball rollin'.

I'm guessing Southern Comfort. (I know it came out a year after the one you listed - but I had to guess.)

-Jon

Ah, Southern Comfort... you're getting warm, because my film starred one of the leads from Southern Comfort (and it wasn't Powers Boothe). If it helps, my film is a period piece. And believe it or not, despite being a period piece, it actually has something in common with The Warriors (and what would that be?).

A Main Character: "My little brother was fifteen years old. Now you think about that... on your way to Hell!"