Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

Thx for testing, is the zoomspeed constant or variable? If variable, can you change zoom speed while zooming?

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

it's a two speed rocker, so you can press it lightly for slow, and a little harder for fast, but it's not truly variable

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It is a very interesting adapter, it is made ​​entirely with metal but metal adapter might potentially shorting the contact. Then ... in your opinion why does it not have a raised tab (on back) to secure a lamp? All adapters have it except this adaptor.

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I ordered one because according to the write up: "The shoe base is designed and shaped to avoid all the electronic connections on the camera." We shall see... I like the sturdy construction and low profile.

According to a link on the ebay page it is manufactured by DM-Accessories which seems very reputable. http://shop.dm-accessories.com/products/mis-shoe

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It appears that the base is machined so that it will only go so far into the shoe - note the tiny tab sticking up at the "back" of the adapter base - if you are making your own, you'd probably want to make sure nothing metal gets too far to the "front" of the shoe where the active contacts are located.

As for the reason that there are only "side" rails on the cold shoe, this is a VERY common design to allow you to put things on and off more quickly... but you also must be careful as the screw clamp mechanism on the accessory will be the ONLY thing keeping it from sliding off! Old school cold shoes usually had three sides, but if you look around, you'll see that MANY cold shoe adapters have only two sides...

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

Camera finally arrived! My first Sony. Did some testing yesterday and it seemed to me that there are about 4 different zoom speeds while recording. It is hard to control which speed you get though because the rocker switch is small and has very little throw to it. Definitely stepped, not variable.

In high speed 120fps mode sound is recorded, data rate is 50Mbps, resolution is 720x1280, zoom works during recording, you can manually adjust the shutter, iris or gain while recording. Didn't test focus, but would expect you can manually adjust the focus and that the auto focus works while recording also. This is very good, compared to my other high speeds. Turning off and on the camera will cause it to exit high speed mode, which then requires about 3 screen touches to get it back. It reverts to 1920x1080 HD mode on a power cycle.

Need to find out what options there are for a remote Lanc control and whether I can get something that gives a true variable zoom. Anybody try the wide angle adapter yet?

Camera build quality is nice, especially for a Sony "consumer" grade camera. Didn't notice any creaking plastic sounds when handling it. Sucked a mixture of 4K and high speed clips off the memory card into Vegas on my laptop and as expected, it edits just fine, though I had to reduce quality settings in my preview window so it didn't play back choppy. I feel I got a good value with the price of this camera. Thanks Sony!

Mark

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I tried the Zunow WCX-08 but ended up returning it because it distorted the edges too much for my liking. I posted before/after pics in this post on a different thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-hvr...ml#post1839759

I'd love it if someone has hands on experience with a quality wide angle converter that they could recommend for this camera. It's so hard to get any good info on wide angle converters which is frustrating, especially since that's probably my main beef with this camera, it isn't quite wide enough.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

Please post any info you find on LANC control.

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Sony make a whole range of tripods with remotes and also separate remote controllers.

Ron Evans

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That's interesting, i only discerned two distinct speeds. have you been able to confirm your findings or is is more of just a feeling?

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Been playing with my Sony AX100 4K handycam. Whats it like? Really good build quality, feels solid and robust. Good zoom range but the zoom rocker is very small. Good optical and digital image stabilisers.
Low light performance is impressive for a small 4K camcorder and comparable to many better quality HD camcorders. It does not need gain for many typical indoor situations, a little bit of gain doesn't add too much noise.
Picture quality is good, its not an F55 but pictures are high resolution and sharp, only minimal CA. There is some barrel distortion at the wide end of the lens, but it is a pretty wide lens. Full manual control is easily set up via gain, shutter and iris buttons and a single rotary dial. You can set each setting, but inly actaully control one at a time as there is only one control knob.
Also large focus and zoom ring. LCD is OK, as is the rear viewfinder, but both lack the resolution needed for precise 4K focus, but color peaking can be used as a good focus aid. auto focus is accurate and does not hunt excessively. There is a magnify button to help with focussing but it's on the wrong side of the camera really.

As I said, I'm impressed overall by the pictures, very pleasing for such a small camcorder.

So whats the catch? It is a CMOS camera and it does suffer from quite a bit of skew and jello if you wave it around a lot. Fast pans will exhibit skew, more than perhaps many other video cameras. Overall though, considering price and size, I think this is a great little camera and it will be a great B cam for my storm chasing shoot which starts next week. A full video review will come soon along with a tutorial video.

I really like the AX100.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

Alister, just a point on the 'skew & jello'. To avoid this, slow panning is the way to go. Aside from minimizing or eliminating this issue, it's also a good practice for cameras that don't even have this problem.

I'm always amused when people shoot video, wildly swinging their camera back & forth to show the rolling shutter. These videos would be nauseating to watch even if they didn't have this issue. :)

So in the end, avoiding the problem will probably improve many people's shooting skills and produce more watchable videos!

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Ken,

Alister certainly knows this. He is a pro and expert on Sony camcorders, check out his blog.

Cheers

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Alister,

I'm loving my AX100 as well. It's everything I wanted in my MC50 and not as heavy as my EX1. Looking forward to reading your review.

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The problem is I haven't seen any remotes that will connect directly to this camera without an adapter. The only adapter I have found is for the D-type remote plug. To use a 2.5mm remote plug, I'd have to go through two adapters or make my own. Sony put their new multi connector port on this camera. I'd like to just use my Canon ZR-2000 with this camera so I don't need to swap out remotes when going from one camera to another. I think the Canon and Sony Lanc protocols are the same, except for certain functions I can do with the Canon won't work on the Sony, just the basic start/stop, zoom and focus is what I'd expect to work.

Mark

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Mark -

You're probably barking up the right tree with having to use two adapters... I have been trying to figure out an adapter for the RX10 (Cybershots don't use the same configuration on the MULTI plug evidently, dang it!). The VPR1 remote (that plugs in and works with the RX) uses the same chip as an RMAV2, yet the adapter A/V to MULTI doesn't work on the RX series (!?!?!?!). BUT to be fair, the AVM1 only lists HANDYCAMS in compatibility, not Cybershots.... sigh.

I'm sure there's a "hack", but haven't had time to completely reverse engineer the cables and circuitry - I did find some stuff on German boards with pinouts and such for the MULTI, but not enough to figure out the key to unlocking it on the RX series!

I'll have an AX100 shortly, and have both the adapters, I'll see if I've got any "different" LANCs to try variable speed. I would "suspect" that they should work, but as you state, LANC protocol implementation varies WIDELY. Typical Sony remotes have start/stop, on/off, photo, and 2 step zoom, other functions that other brand remotes might offer are "hit or miss".

Probably the cheapest option is an RMAV2 and the AVM1, I'm hoping to find THAT combo works, as I have all the bits for it already!

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I have this Sony http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/913260-REG/sony_vctvpr100_highend_remote_tripod.html as one of my tripods and it comes with 4 different cables to meet all the Sony connections. I also have a few smaller Sony tripods that I just took the handles off and modified to fit my Manfrottos tripods. All have controls for start/stop, variable zoom ( works with my SR11, XR500, CX700, NX30U and NX5U ), markers, photos and on/off. I would be surprised if the AX100 did not have variable zoom as even the still Sony HX30V has variable zoom. The on camera zoom controls can be very sensitive though. I also have a Manfrotto controller for my NX5U and a Libec with a converter cable for the NX30U. All seem to work fine.

Ron Evans

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That's what I found out. Having my Cybershot HX400V ready on the tripod, plugging in this Sony's own Multi-to-D Shaped AV adapter into the camera's Multi port on one end and my old Handycam remote on the other and then voila! nothing happened. ALL controls on the remote were as dead as a piece of plastic. So as Dave says, when Sony say Handycam or Cybershot or Alpha, they really mean it.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

I tested again, in both HD and 4K modes and the speeds I'm getting (repeatedly) are:

4 seconds, 10 seconds and 14 seconds.

Mark

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The strange thing is you'd THINK the MULTI interface would be compatible, but somehow it is implemented differently - the AV2 LED lights up, so there's power to the LANC interface, but somehow the camera is not being told to accept the commands. I've seen this before when the 2.5mm plug was replaced with the LANC integrated into the A/V jack/plug... so I do think it can be hacked so most any LANC could be used with Cybershot, just a matter of figuring out how the VPR remotes do it, since they seem to be able to work on all the Sony lines...

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Hey guys I wish I could start a new thread on this subject but without a dedicated sub-forum I have no clue where to post this question.

Twice now my AX100 battery has died while recording in 4K creating a file that won't finalize in camera leaving me with an incomplete file/corrupt 4K file. Anyone experience this yet? Anyone know of a fix to get the file finalized and closed? The AX100 can't complete finalization for whatever reason like the camcorders can do in 1920X1080. Thanks

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its a longshot, but try opening the file with VLC, it has some basic tools for repairing broken ends

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It doesn't open up unfortunately in VLC :-\

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The AX100 has a directory repair function in the menus media setting. Have you tried that?

Ron Evans

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Mark, have you gotten this MIS-SHOE? Is it good for AX100?

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It's supposed to be delivered today. I'll report back.

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Yippee!

I got mine yesterday! Must be the first "E" model in Australia I think, as I ordered from the 1st website that put it up.
Ordered on Thursday, delivered from Hong Kong Monday morning!

Sony Australia still have "coming soon" on their website, and are talking late June "they may have some news". Hopeless I think!

Haven't shot much yet as I spent all morning charging the battery and last night actually read through the manual.

Seems a great little camera.

Cheers,

Vaughan

Re: Sony FDR-AX100 flickering problems
 

Hello,
I have got AX100 two days ago and I'd like to ask some questions because I'm disappointed by this camera.
If I shot in 4K then I edit those clips with Edius 7.30 and I export in HD (as mpeg2 as AVCHD or in other formats) I see flickering on every editated video. (I have PAL system).
I view videos with WD Western Digital TV player or a Sony Player and a Sony 43" full HD TV.
Flickering shows above all when I shot grassy carpets, blade of grass, foliage of the trees.
On the Edius monitor the clips look fine, as well on the connected to NX Canopus card small TV.
It could seem like a bad configuration of Edius but it is not so.
Does anyone have these problems?

If I shot in HD thenI edit in HD and export in HD I don't have these problems.
I am very disappointed from AX100 and if I will get these problems the next days, I will sell it.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

I think this sensor is actually closer to 1/2 inch, not 1" as I've seen on the Sony web-site.

In the camera's manual, the sensor specs describe the sensor as: 1.0-type (13.2 mm x 8.8 mm) back-illuminated Exmor R CMOS sensor. Even if you use the diagonal measurement, it only comes out to around 15.8mm.


Mark

Update --- Well, Google's my friend: So I found out it's a 1" TYPE sensor, not to be taken as actual physical dimensions.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

> If I shot in 4K then I edit those clips with Edius 7.30 and I export in HD (as mpeg2 as AVCHD or in other formats) I see flickering on every editated video.

you shoudl open a HD Project ... (or Change your UHD roject to HD)

Import your UHD file .... resize it over layouter
wiith resampling-setting "Lanczos 3 " and now make your Export ....(XAVC-S is available in Edius 7.30)

resampling-setting "Lanczos 3 " is only available over Layouter tool
resampling-setting "Lanczos 3 " is not available by simple export-

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

I'm experiencing a shutter roll at the end of many clips (almost like i'm panning the camera to the ground).. Post editing fixes it.. Anyone else experiencing this?

Re: Sony FDR-AX100 flickering problems
 

I too have the AX100 and use Edius 7.3 and have no issues whatsoever. However I edit with 4K clips and export to 4K. With that said, I've tried exporting to HD and have not seen the issues you have.

Why don't you try playing the clips directly from the camera to your HDTV. The camera will do the down-rez automatically. You should see no issues. I've done this on several HDTVs and they look spectacular.

If you see no problems this way (and I can't imagine you would as I've never seen this reported), then you know the issue is with your editing setup.

Don't be so quick to blame the camera. Almost every complaint I've seen regarding this camera as been traced back to "OE", Operator Error.

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I've never seen that Rodman, but I do know that after you hit the stop button, the camera records for a fraction of a second. So some of my shots show rapid movement at the very end of the clip as I was too quick to begin moving the camera to my side thinking the recording had stopped.

I'm not sure if that's what you're addressing, but it sounds like it. The fix is easy, hold the camera at your intended scene for a fraction of a second longer AFTER you hit the stop button.

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Unfortunately my Edius settings are good. I see good video if I use the preview TV connected to NX card. I get problems when I put the video on a flash cmemory and see it with WD Western Digital TV or a Sony player. Both give me flickering problems. I use them with a Sony Full HD TV. One might think that the problem is of Sony TV, but my TV works perfectly, It have always given me very good video.
This is mystery. ;)

Ken Ross,
Today I cannot do this testnow because I have just formatted the SD and it is raining. As soon as possibile I will connect directly my AX100 to my HDTV.

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@Mark -

You'll find ALL sensor measurements are "funky", as they are describing (IIRC) the image circle, NOT the physical sensor dimensions... so in the end it's all "relative" anyway, a "1/3" class sensor isn't that either!


@Adriano -

If you can plug the camera direct into the TV and it's fine, then your edit settings are NOT "good". I've just spent a good week dialing in a new computer to edit 4K (hopefully, the camera is coming), and I will say that when you are on the bleeding edge, sometimes things don't work exactly as expected!! I still have a couple "bugs" that will require someone to "fix" the code, and I just work around them for now. I fully expect to have a few more "bumps" as I actually start editing and working with 4K...

I don't try to blame anyone or accuse any one piece of being defective... when combined into a SYSTEM, it may take time, PATIENCE, and some effort to make everything work together for good results. If so many others are getting good results with the AX100, and you're not... perhaps you should re-evaluate and reconsider where the problem is... it's not likely the camera.

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MIS-SHOE (DM-Accessories) ***Report***

I received the adapter today and installed it as the instructions state: Thin beveled edge towards front of the camera.

Unfortunately a slight push of the adapter from front to back even after tightening the knob pops it out of the shoe. I've tried it multiple times. I will check with the manufacturer but at this point I cannot recommend this device at this time.

Update—The ebay seller suggested I may have a bad part so I will report back what I find out.

Update #2— The manufacturer is sending me another part to try. They also gave me some tips which do help the part fit tighter. I'll report back soon as it's overall a well made piece of gear and I hope to get it working.

Re: Sony FDR-AX100
 

Adriano. Your problem is almost certainly aliasing. If you simply re-size a higher resolution image down to a lower resolution image without some processing to eliminate aliasing (such as adding a slight blur to the high resolution image before down scaling or a proper anti-aliase process) you will get a lot of excessively sharp and jagged edges, especially fine details and textures that will flicker and not look good. It's not the camera, it is your workflow.

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I brought that up back on page 4. They should just forget TYPE sensors and stick with true mm x mm dimensions.

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Thanks Matt... well it was bound to happen with a meandering thread that is now 80 pages long. I probably read your post back in January and just didn't recall it when I came upon the camera specs sheet. I can understand the reason they say 1" type sensor, but now Dave is pointing out that my one-third sensor cameras are actually even smaller than I thought!!

Now a question about testing camera sensitivity---
If I wanted to do a comparison of my video cameras to see how they stack up in the area of light sensitivity, how would you recommend I go about that?
I would think I'd want to keep things simple by having the same frame rate, say 30fps, on each camera and also the same shutter speed. But what else? Set the same gain? Match the cameras so the all look the same amount of brightness and then compare the amount of noise? Just curious if anyone has an easy method for this.

Mark

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It's only 16 mm but correct name shematic
http://www.dpreview.com/glossary/cam...m/sensor-sizes