Adobe Premiere & Premiere Pro discussions from 2005

Asa Phelps · March 1st, 2005, 05:04 AM

Sorry for the stupid question,
but never worked before with progressive video.
Also XL2 manual is not very clear and detailed.

Working in After Effects and Premiere Pro what I have to check in the interpret footage window? Lower/upper field or no fields?
The same for rendering.

TIA

Pete Bauer · March 1st, 2005, 06:52 AM

Peter,

Thanks for the quick heads up. I just did a VERY quick read of the READ ME and installed to get a quick glance at it before going off to work. At first blush, it does look to be strictly an HDV update without other bug fixes...there's still not even an XL2 preset in the Capture Options dialog and the 24p help doesn't seem to be updated.

I hope that it turns out there are some fixes under the hood, but for now it appears that most of the chatter on this update will end up being over in the HDV Editing Solutions message board, where they're already getting fired up:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ighlight=1.5.1

I'll check the Adobe forums over the next couple of days and see what tidbits other than purely HDV issues show up.

Ryan Spicer · March 1st, 2005, 10:17 AM

Interesting. I'll give it a try.

I'm working in 24p because I was curious about the differences in the way the image is percieved at 24p vs. 30i, since I've never done any work in progressive before. It's a short project that doesn't contribute much to the class grade, so I figured I'd experiment.

Thanks for the feedback. :)

Kin Kwan · March 1st, 2005, 10:57 AM

If the source video is non-interlaced (progressive) than you have to select "no fields." Not a stupid question at all, it took me a while to get all this stuff down. :]

KiN

Ed Smith · March 1st, 2005, 12:54 PM

There are plug-ins available for this, try a google search and a few should appear.

You can create it your self by creating static titles with 1 letter at a time, placing them into the timeline at about 5 frames each in duration, then adding the audio effect - I've done it that way before.

Hope this helps,

Richard Huff Webb · March 1st, 2005, 01:12 PM

Thanks Ed,

I found some sounds for this at findsounds.com and until I get a plug in for this, I will do what you have suggested. Do you know of a font that would look like an authentic old manual typewriter.

I love this forum. What a great resource.

Richard

Jimmy McKenzie · March 1st, 2005, 01:12 PM

Ed's right ... to do this inexpensively, the manual method can be used.
The definitive answer to your question falls into the after effects zone. Many cool text in and out effects are part of the latest version.
As for the old typewriter font, select a serif font the has the lower case g below the baseline. "typist" is one ttf font that comes to mind. If you can find the latest "ART PROJECTS" magazine, the last issue comes with a cd containing over 2000 free fonts.

Ed Smith · March 1st, 2005, 01:20 PM

Hi Richard,

Probably Courier (I think I spelt that right??) But I guess its down to personal preferences....

One thing I forgot to mention is that it can be quite long winded going the manual way, if you have a lot of text! Anyway give it a try.

Asa Phelps · March 1st, 2005, 02:00 PM

The problem actually for me is to understand correctly what instruction manual says because it's specified "records in 25fps progressive mode and outputs signals converted into 50 fps interlace".
According to manual it seems in AE and Premiere I have to acquire on interlaced mode also when recording in progressive. Am I correct?

Thanks

Sergio Perez · March 1st, 2005, 09:36 PM

The thing is, I've worked on a media 100 mac based workstation back in Film school, and there where options like 20 kb offline for draft, 100 and even 300 kb for online- The picture of my capture dv footage looked incredibly better on 300 kb - Adobe premiere doesn't have that option, and the truth is thesame footage is noticeably inferior in Premiere compared to media 100's capture. Anyone know how to achieve similar results on Premiere?

One thing I really don't understand is: If firewire capture is lossless, how can this happen?

Kin Kwan · March 1st, 2005, 11:30 PM

I'm not a 100% sure about this, but I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me can clear this up.

As far as I know, progressive frames are captured as a full frame split into 2 fields at the same time, unlike interlaced where there's a time difference between the fields. I think that's what your manual is trying to explain.

If you load up After Effects and select "Off" in the "Separate Fields" box for your progressive footage, then it automatically displays both fields that forms a progressive frame. If you're still seeing interlaced lines, then we're both going to have to wait for someone who knows more about this to clarify. :/

Hope I'm making sense.

KiN

Glenn Chan · March 1st, 2005, 11:52 PM

Sergio, you need to view the footage on a television or NTSC monitor. Editing programs may be displaying the video at a lower quality on your computer monitor.

Chase Brammer · March 2nd, 2005, 03:33 AM

Pete, thanks for the reply! I looked at the source files and I dont think that I double linked them. Here is a list of what I have done, and the bad things that are happening from it :D

1. Imported old video
2. Split audio/video
3. Imported new pictures that havent been used before and put them over the old ones that are not wanted

Bad Things:
1. When I export the movie it skips on some frames, like when it is zooming in on a picture that I havent edited, it is not smooth, it kind of "catches" or skips a few frames

Well, that is the big thing, I just dont know how to fix it! Thanks so much for your patience and help!

Pat Sherman · March 2nd, 2005, 09:48 AM

If you want to avoid problems.. Get the Matrox RTX.100 card and a system by a certified builder.. That's what I did for my second RT.X100 system and it's a world of difference..

http://www.matrox.com/video/buy/rtx100xtremepro/pc_manufact_us.cfm

Pete Bauer · March 2nd, 2005, 05:45 PM

Hmmmmm. Not sure. Is it possible for you to take screen shots that show your project window, the settings viewer, and the sequence in question, plus a couple of seconds of exported video showing the "catch?" That might help us understand what's happening.

If you don't have a web site, you're welcome to email the screenshot and clip to me and I'll post 'em on my site for folks to analyze. I think my server will handle up to 3 or 4MB total file size attachments.

March 1st, 2005, 05:04 AM	#451
Asa Phelps New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Venice, Italy Posts: 23	25p PAL video acquisition Sorry for the stupid question, but never worked before with progressive video. Also XL2 manual is not very clear and detailed. Working in After Effects and Premiere Pro what I have to check in the interpret footage window? Lower/upper field or no fields? The same for rendering. TIA

March 1st, 2005, 06:52 AM	#452
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Peter, Thanks for the quick heads up. I just did a VERY quick read of the READ ME and installed to get a quick glance at it before going off to work. At first blush, it does look to be strictly an HDV update without other bug fixes...there's still not even an XL2 preset in the Capture Options dialog and the 24p help doesn't seem to be updated. I hope that it turns out there are some fixes under the hood, but for now it appears that most of the chatter on this update will end up being over in the HDV Editing Solutions message board, where they're already getting fired up: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...ighlight=1.5.1 I'll check the Adobe forums over the next couple of days and see what tidbits other than purely HDV issues show up. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

March 1st, 2005, 12:54 PM	#455
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	There are plug-ins available for this, try a google search and a few should appear. You can create it your self by creating static titles with 1 letter at a time, placing them into the timeline at about 5 frames each in duration, then adding the audio effect - I've done it that way before. Hope this helps, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

March 1st, 2005, 01:20 PM	#458
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi Richard, Probably Courier (I think I spelt that right??) But I guess its down to personal preferences.... One thing I forgot to mention is that it can be quite long winded going the manual way, if you have a lot of text! Anyway give it a try. __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

March 1st, 2005, 09:36 PM	#460
Sergio Perez Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 331	Why does Adobe Premiere pro footage looks worse than Media 100 footage? The thing is, I've worked on a media 100 mac based workstation back in Film school, and there where options like 20 kb offline for draft, 100 and even 300 kb for online- The picture of my capture dv footage looked incredibly better on 300 kb - Adobe premiere doesn't have that option, and the truth is thesame footage is noticeably inferior in Premiere compared to media 100's capture. Anyone know how to achieve similar results on Premiere? One thing I really don't understand is: If firewire capture is lossless, how can this happen? __________________ If you don't believe in your film, no one else will.

March 1st, 2005, 10:17 AM	#453
Ryan Spicer Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 46	Interesting. I'll give it a try. I'm working in 24p because I was curious about the differences in the way the image is percieved at 24p vs. 30i, since I've never done any work in progressive before. It's a short project that doesn't contribute much to the class grade, so I figured I'd experiment. Thanks for the feedback. :)

March 1st, 2005, 10:57 AM	#454
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	If the source video is non-interlaced (progressive) than you have to select "no fields." Not a stupid question at all, it took me a while to get all this stuff down. :] KiN

March 1st, 2005, 01:12 PM	#456
Richard Huff Webb New Boot Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Horseshoe North Carolina Posts: 17	Thanks Ed, I found some sounds for this at findsounds.com and until I get a plug in for this, I will do what you have suggested. Do you know of a font that would look like an authentic old manual typewriter. I love this forum. What a great resource. Richard

March 1st, 2005, 01:12 PM	#457
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Ed's right ... to do this inexpensively, the manual method can be used. The definitive answer to your question falls into the after effects zone. Many cool text in and out effects are part of the latest version. As for the old typewriter font, select a serif font the has the lower case g below the baseline. "typist" is one ttf font that comes to mind. If you can find the latest "ART PROJECTS" magazine, the last issue comes with a cd containing over 2000 free fonts.

March 1st, 2005, 02:00 PM	#459
Asa Phelps New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Venice, Italy Posts: 23	The problem actually for me is to understand correctly what instruction manual says because it's specified "records in 25fps progressive mode and outputs signals converted into 50 fps interlace". According to manual it seems in AE and Premiere I have to acquire on interlaced mode also when recording in progressive. Am I correct? Thanks

March 1st, 2005, 11:30 PM	#461
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	I'm not a 100% sure about this, but I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me can clear this up. As far as I know, progressive frames are captured as a full frame split into 2 fields at the same time, unlike interlaced where there's a time difference between the fields. I think that's what your manual is trying to explain. If you load up After Effects and select "Off" in the "Separate Fields" box for your progressive footage, then it automatically displays both fields that forms a progressive frame. If you're still seeing interlaced lines, then we're both going to have to wait for someone who knows more about this to clarify. :/ Hope I'm making sense. KiN

March 1st, 2005, 11:52 PM	#462
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Sergio, you need to view the footage on a television or NTSC monitor. Editing programs may be displaying the video at a lower quality on your computer monitor.

March 2nd, 2005, 03:33 AM	#463
Chase Brammer New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 10	Pete, thanks for the reply! I looked at the source files and I dont think that I double linked them. Here is a list of what I have done, and the bad things that are happening from it :D 1. Imported old video 2. Split audio/video 3. Imported new pictures that havent been used before and put them over the old ones that are not wanted Bad Things: 1. When I export the movie it skips on some frames, like when it is zooming in on a picture that I havent edited, it is not smooth, it kind of "catches" or skips a few frames Well, that is the big thing, I just dont know how to fix it! Thanks so much for your patience and help!

March 2nd, 2005, 09:48 AM	#464
Pat Sherman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DuPont, Wa Posts: 325	If you want to avoid problems.. Get the Matrox RTX.100 card and a system by a certified builder.. That's what I did for my second RT.X100 system and it's a world of difference.. http://www.matrox.com/video/buy/rtx100xtremepro/pc_manufact_us.cfm

March 2nd, 2005, 05:45 PM	#465
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hmmmmm. Not sure. Is it possible for you to take screen shots that show your project window, the settings viewer, and the sequence in question, plus a couple of seconds of exported video showing the "catch?" That might help us understand what's happening. If you don't have a web site, you're welcome to email the screenshot and clip to me and I'll post 'em on my site for folks to analyze. I think my server will handle up to 3 or 4MB total file size attachments. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!