View Full Version : Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)
Kevin Richard August 13th, 2006, 12:32 PM Yeah, that's what I figured so I dug through it looking for the keys but I couldn't find it.
I'm no dummy when it comes to the registry and the "damage" it can cause and I know how to back it up... I do IT work for a living so I'm not afraid to dig into it.
Albert Rodgers August 14th, 2006, 08:30 AM Hey guys,
I have rendered a project to mpeg 2 for DVD. It took over 8 hours to render it. After reviewing it, I notice there were simple corrections that need to be made.
Q1: Do I have to re-render the original project and wait another 8+ hours or can I just edit the mpeg 2 clip and render as a mpeg 2 clip? Will there be any loss in quality bo using the second method?
Q2: Also, Is there any way to merge multiple mpeg 2 clips into one to be view as a movie in DVDA? Or will I have to place all the clips on the timeline in Vegas and select and render them as one clip?
Q3: I have old clips that I want to put on the web. I have deleted the original avi clips for the sake of space. Is it safe to render a mpeg 2 file as a wmv or rm file? Will there be an enormous loss of quality when rendering from a mpeg2 file instead of the original avi file?
Thank you for your help.
Edward Troxel August 14th, 2006, 09:08 AM Q1: Yes, you need to render the whole thing again unless you use some other program that can cut MPEG2 without re-rendering.
Q2: Yes, you can "End Action" from the first one to the second one. There will be a slight delay as this happens and the length of the delay will vary from player to player.
Q3: It's "safe" but the quality won't be as good as it would be using the original files. Just try it and see if it looks fine to you.
Albert Rodgers August 14th, 2006, 09:31 AM Q1 (Rev): After editing, is it ok to re-render the original MPEG2 as a MPEG2 without loss of quality?
Q2,Q3: Thank you! I will try it.
Edward Troxel August 14th, 2006, 10:47 AM Rendering MPEG2 to MPEG2 will decompress and recompress EVERY frame. You're better off going back to the original source file.
James Sarte August 14th, 2006, 12:30 PM Sorry if the question has been answered before, but is there any form of video hardware acceleration possible with this software? Also, I know that Vegas 6 has support for multi-core and dual CPU's, but does SVMD6 Platinum have the same capability?
Michael Best August 14th, 2006, 06:45 PM Hey - sorry to bother but I'm baffled. I recently cleaned a lot out of my hard drives, ok good, but now when watching anything, preview window, movie, whatever, it stutters incredibly when I move my mouse, video, even audio, any ideas at all? It never did this before..
Kevin Richard August 14th, 2006, 07:34 PM Not sure if this is it but anytime you "clean up" your Hd you should do a defrag (along with a good weekly defrag routine).
Do as I say, not as I do ;)
***Guess I'm quicker on the trigger ;)
Curtis Rhoads August 14th, 2006, 07:34 PM Did you defrag your hard drives after cleaning them out? Simple thing to miss, but might be the cause.
(Edit : Yes you are Kevin, yes you are! :D )
Michael Best August 14th, 2006, 07:46 PM Will do and report - Thank you!!
Dale Lundy August 14th, 2006, 09:14 PM Thanks for everyone's suggestions. As Edward surmised, it turned out I had turned split screen on unbeknownst to me -- probably due to the fact that lately my mouse seems to have a mind of its own. Well, that's one way to learn about split screen. Again, thanks much!
James Sarte August 14th, 2006, 11:06 PM Anyone? Perhaps I posted this in the wrong section?
Kevin Richard August 15th, 2006, 12:15 AM Damn Edward and his spot on terminology, stealing my thunder :p J/K
Glad you got it resolved
Chris Hurd August 15th, 2006, 05:42 AM Moved to Vegas forum.
Edward Troxel August 15th, 2006, 07:54 AM No hardware acceleration cards work with Vegas. It really doesn't need them. As for multiple CPU's, yes it will use them.
James Sarte August 15th, 2006, 08:24 AM No hardware acceleration cards work with Vegas. It really doesn't need them. As for multiple CPU's, yes it will use them.
Interesting. I have been using this software on my AMD box with a 3800+ X2 CPU. I noticed that only one core seems to get used most when previewing in the timeline. Perhaps both cores will be used more when actually rendering the video to final?
Also - too bad about no hardware video acceleration. I have two Nvidia cards connected in an SLI configuration, and it would have been nice to have harnessed some of that power, at least while previewing in the timeline.
Jason Robinson August 15th, 2006, 01:04 PM Q1: Yes, you need to render the whole thing again unless you use some other program that can cut MPEG2 without re-rendering.
Q2: Yes, you can "End Action" from the first one to the second one. There will be a slight delay as this happens and the length of the delay will vary from player to player.
Q3: It's "safe" but the quality won't be as good as it would be using the original files. Just try it and see if it looks fine to you.
You can also create a playlist in DVDA o that multiple media items are linked together. These are a bit of a pain in the butt to create chapter menus from, but it can still be done.
I just found the easiest is to spend lots of time proofing while viewing inside of Vegas adn then render the big file once. Of course that doesn't always work out, but it does save on render times and saves frustration working in DVDA.
jason
Jason Robinson August 15th, 2006, 01:48 PM My guess would be that you turned on "split screen". It's the button just above the preview screen that's a circle that's half light and half dark.
That reminds me... what good is taht split screen feature? I haven't ever used it and I am not sure what good it is for? Any suggestions?
jason
Edward Troxel August 15th, 2006, 03:28 PM It can be useful if you need to match colors in various sections, or you want to see how what you are doing affects the colors. It just happens you have yours set to bypass effects. There are many other options available if you click on the dropdown menu arrow. Look it up in the help file.
Zdravko Jancevski August 16th, 2006, 08:52 AM How can I render an AVI file to AVI file again but to split video file to 3 separate clips, all that on the fly. For example I edit in Vegas DV AVI file about 4 hours long, adding transitions, effects and music and then I want to render that AVI file to AVI again but I want to split it in 3 separate AVI files ( 1 hour and 20 min each)., then I render these three video clips with my favorite video encoder "Cine Cinema Encoder" to MPEG (to fit on 3 DVD disc for excellent results) but CCE has no option to separate video file during encoding, like TMPGEnc for instance, which is much, much slower option.I have try with marking regions in Vegas and then with scripting render the file, but all three AVI files were the same from begining to the end of the video clip.Some advice.
Regards.
Edward Troxel August 16th, 2006, 10:27 AM Create regions on the timeline for each section and then use the rendering script (Tools - scripting - Batch Render)
James Harring August 16th, 2006, 05:04 PM Odd one, for sure... an interrrupt (yes XP still uses them) conflict could cause this, but more likely mouse driver is reason. Run WINMSD look under problem components and poke about here, see if you have any clues.
Also Look at event viewer for clues too.
If you have mouse software (third party mouse) pull the driver off and install a newer one. Of course, XP has it's default driver. Actually a little harder to deal with.
Go to Hardware Device manager - Take note of the version. Next, remove the mouse and reboot. See if the issue goes away (XP will reinstall automatically on next reboot). If still an issue, see if it's the same version.
Heres where it gets fun... if you are not skilled on a pc, may want to have a geek help you... if still an issue, note the files on the driver properties (mouseclass.sys and i8042somethingOrOther.sys) Find them and RENAME them (don't delete them...) Reboot, windows should again reinstall the mouse, you have fun trying to use the pc w/o mouse... be prepared for this.
James Harring August 16th, 2006, 05:09 PM Anyone have any idea how to do this in Vegas 6.0d? I used to use Scenealyzer and it was fantastic. I am bringing HDV now, so that's no longer an option. Can't do it in the camera either. Scenalyzer spoiled me, as I could do my sampling in post, so if I didn't likethe result, rewind, and do it again at different rate. I like being spoiled.
If vegas can't do this anything else out there that can?
Michael Best August 16th, 2006, 05:13 PM I don't think you're a geek? Just kidding, thanks very much for that helpful info!
Glenn Chan August 16th, 2006, 08:34 PM Can you:
-update to the latest version of vegas 6 first... one of the newer update improved HDV performance.
-Convert the HDV to an intermediate format like cineform
-apply the velocity envelopes
-turn off/on resampling as necessary (under clip properties). Gives you motion blur or no motion blur.
Kevin Richard August 16th, 2006, 08:50 PM Unless he edited his post he said he was using 6.0d
John Lorince August 16th, 2006, 10:35 PM I noticed that when I set markers they number them which I totally understand, but when I add a region for subtitle it picks off where I left off from the markers. Is this gonna screw my chapters up come DVD time? I obviously have never done this before.
Sharyn Ferrick August 17th, 2006, 02:22 AM I certainly agree on the mess in HDV TIME CODE, need to get DSE on the case, he certainly has a strong interest on the audio side of things, and Sony usually listens to him.
Maybe we can get Chris H to take a more active role in the 5.1 sound issues. I agree with HD displays becoming more of a norm in homes, and with 5.1 sound just as common place, the type of video work folks on this forum are involved to would in a lot of instances benefit from more advanced audio. After all the audio sections says 70% of the experience is audio, which I agree with.
The only video capture system that I have seen that starts to take this into account is the Sennheiser Bonsai digital recorder, supported hard drive and an adat optical 8 channel audio.
We just need to keep screaming ;-)))
Sharyn
Edward Troxel August 17th, 2006, 07:51 AM No it will not. The numbers are meaningless - the LOCATION is important.
Zdravko Jancevski August 17th, 2006, 10:46 AM I have "WAX INVOKER" and "ADORAGE" plugins for Vegas with nice transition mostly, but I'm looking for other free plugin or trial plugin for Vegas for download.
Regards.
Don Bloom August 17th, 2006, 11:10 AM Excalibur, UltimateS, NewageFX and audio plugins...there are many available some free,some not. What is it that you are looking for?
Don
Zdravko Jancevski August 17th, 2006, 11:29 AM I'm looking for different plugin for Vegas (audio or video), maybe I will find some interesting for me. Is any link (except VASST) where I can find colection of different plugin for Vegas.
Regards.
Edward Troxel August 17th, 2006, 12:29 PM You can try this one:
http://www.blue7media.com/vegas/
But there IS a page for this on VASST as well:
http://www.vasst.com/?v=training/Vegasplugsnew.htm
and there are several listed here (http://www.jetdv.com/vegas/forum/viewforum.php?f=4) as well.
Ben Mahoney August 17th, 2006, 03:33 PM Hi guys,
Quick question, editing a video on vegas 6.0 and all of a sudden some of the clips have turned red and don't show up on the video preview. I thought I had possibly erased the source file but they are in my bin. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
James Harring August 17th, 2006, 05:10 PM Can you:
-update to the latest version of vegas 6 first... one of the newer update improved HDV performance.
-Convert the HDV to an intermediate format like cineform
-apply the velocity envelopes
-turn off/on resampling as necessary (under clip properties). Gives you motion blur or no motion blur.
I'll try this, however, I suspect this may simply speed up video. I am seeking a more stacatto effect). But I am a recent convert to vegas, so I'll try this this weekend.
And yes I have 6.0d.
Thanks forthe response
Don Bloom August 17th, 2006, 06:01 PM Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you:-O
Its a goofy thing but sometimes it just doesn't see the clip-I don't know why but you can try shutting down and rebooting the machine. For some reason that works for me when on the rare times it happens, a reboot works.
Don
Vince Curtis August 17th, 2006, 11:34 PM I have a Pioneer DVD RW DVR111D DVD writer, and DVDA 2.0 and 3.0 wont recognize it> I updated firmware. Do I need to get a Sony Drive ? Any suggestions of a new INTERNAL drive that will work ? THanks
Jesse Redman August 18th, 2006, 01:55 AM Every video I've done, up to this point, has been 15 minutes or less. I'm now rendering a 48 minute corporate video and at 4% complete it shows right at 12 hours to render.
I'm rendering a .wmv at 720 X 480 X 24p at 300 bps. It has lots of clips, color correction, B & W scenes, color scenes and major audio automation.
Past experience is that the estimated render time will continue to climb until about 10% of the video is rendered. I'm estimating it to take 24 hours (or longer) on a 3 Ghz, dual core system.
My question is: What length of time has anyone experienced in rendering a feature length video? AND, how big was the file? Did you split it in segments? Were your rendering for DVD or another delivery method? What file format did you use? Were there any other considerations you had to make for DVD or other file format?
Thanks for your input.
Mike Kujbida August 18th, 2006, 06:41 AM It's a well known fact that Sony is slow in supplying drivers for newer DVD burners. For this reason, a lot of folks use another app such as Nero or RecordNow.
Mike Kujbida August 18th, 2006, 06:44 AM My experience with rendering wmv files is that it takes anywhere from 2 to 10 times as long to render (as compared to DV-AVI). All you can do is grin and bear it - and wait for the render to finish :-)
Michael Pace August 18th, 2006, 08:17 AM another data pt:
last year i rendered my 101-minute feature as an mpeg2 for DVD using Vegas 5. The movie was desaturated to black and white, gaussian blur across the board, and had several panned/cropped clips. On the old 950 MHz Athlon PC the render took 8 days-- yes it was nerve-wracking waiting a week for the thing to finish cooking, checking every few hours, waiting for a crash. But when it was done the results were perfect. No crash, no stalls, no errors. Just slow solid quality performance.
The same movie rendered as an AVI on the same PC took about 15 hours to render, w/ a file size of upper-20-something gigs IIRC.
good luck,
MRP
Rey Ortega August 18th, 2006, 10:52 AM Vital Stream is a world wide flash content streaming service. They are one of the best so I would expect it to be a little more expensive. If you go to the Adobe/Macromedia website, there's a link for flash streaming services.
www.macromedia.com -> This will take you to Adobe's macromedia site.
Rey Ortega
Jesse Redman August 18th, 2006, 11:36 AM Thanks for the replys.
Has anyone else rendered a feature length video and can share their experience?
I now expect the render to take between 13 and 14 hours. It has taken about 10 and a half hours so far and indicates it will take another 3 and a half hours.
ALSO, can anyone share what format they have been asked to deliver a feature length movie for distribution?
Ben Mahoney August 18th, 2006, 12:00 PM Thanks for the help Don. That worked but not it keeps doing it even on different projects. Maybe I'll just re-install.
Bennis Hahn August 18th, 2006, 12:33 PM I have done a 46 minute film. I split it up into two renders with editing/graphics/color timing on one and then audio for the other.
I did all the audio work as a separate project and rendered a .wav file from there and put that into Vegas and rendered the final .avi with sound from my editing time line. Took about 7 hours and every clip was color timed and some had Magic Bullet (about 8% of the movie).
From there I went to mpeg2 for duplication and that was pretty much real-time.
I always render to a final .avi master and then encode my .wmv and mgeg2 off that.
p4 2.8 HT PC
Jon Fairhurst August 18th, 2006, 12:43 PM I always render to a final .avi master and then encode my .wmv and mgeg2 off that.Me too. I can then use the master to create flash video, wmv, Quicktime, whatever.
Also, I recommend selecting just a minute or two and doing a test render. You don't want to render for half a week only to learn that you forgot to set the aspect ratio correctly.
Don Bloom August 18th, 2006, 01:51 PM Before you do that is the drive where the clips are that aren't being seen an external drive? Sometimes the machine for whatever reason loses contact with an external drive-when that happens, if thats the case you might try cutting power to the external and rebooting that only.
Just a thought.
Don
Dennis Khaye August 18th, 2006, 02:27 PM Codec problem maybe? What type of file is it?
Vince Curtis August 18th, 2006, 03:13 PM . ..I guess NERO it is. Can I create menu based DVD's ? Is anything else differnet ? THanks
Edward Troxel August 18th, 2006, 03:25 PM You AUTHOR the disc in DVD Architect. You BURN the disc in Nero. So, yes you can still have the same menus because you're creating the menus in the same program you were before.
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