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Ruben Pla July 3rd, 2006, 01:04 PM Hi,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to render two different formats, on the same timeline, in the same render process? I have a feature film I'm rendering, all of it except for one scene, shot on 24P, and one scene in the middle of the film, is shot on regular NTSC DV video. If I try rendering the whole project as 24P, the regular DV scene comes out fuzzy. I could render the scene seperately but I'd rather keep it all as one single rendered project. Can that be done?
Thank you. Ruben
Edward Troxel July 3rd, 2006, 01:09 PM When you render, everything you render at that time will be rendered the same way. So you can't start one rendering process and have it render different pieces in different ways. You might be able to set up a batch render process to do that using regions and specifying a different format per region using a script.
How are you going to output this/what format are you rendering to?
Ruben Pla July 3rd, 2006, 01:18 PM Thank you, Edward. I'm outputting the whole thing through Sony DVDArchitect as 24P (except for the one scene which has to stay in DV form, because if I render that scene as 24P in Vegas, it loses definition.) I'd like to keep the whole project together and not have to bring the pieces to DVDA and try to cut and paste the DV scene in between the 24P scenes in Architect...if that's even possible to do. I'm not sure about that either. Any thoughts?
Edward Troxel July 3rd, 2006, 02:28 PM If you render as separate pieces, you can end-action from the 24p to the straight DV and then end action to the other 24p. However, then you'll have a slight pause at those places so you'll have to plan for that.
Ruben Pla July 3rd, 2006, 03:33 PM I assume that "end action" means lining up the three segments in DVDA. Two questions:
1) Is there a specific way to do that?
2) Is there any way to eliminate that slight pause?
Thank you, Edward. Ruben
Edward Troxel July 3rd, 2006, 09:03 PM Try inserting a playlist and see if that works.
As for the end action, you just add the first one to the menu, add the other two to the project, and then set the "End Action" from one to the other as needed. However, that DOES create the pause which will vary between DVD players.
Personally, I would probably render the whole thing to a single file accepting the known issues.
Ian Briscoe July 4th, 2006, 02:08 AM Up to now I've always captured from HVR-Z1E is SD mode (in camera downconvert) but I now want to try and capture HD using Cineform.
Presumably when using editiing on the timeline using the Cineform avi, you're editing at full HDV rsolution - 1440x1080 or wheever it is. You might then use pan/crop to reduce the picture size of an event (eg pip/etc); if you then render as standard mpeg2 (for DVDA) does it automatically reclaculate what the sizes of those cropped events should be as if they were for a 720x576 picture????
Thanx
Ian
Mark Bryant July 4th, 2006, 01:51 PM Yes, essentially. I think basically it just rescales the frame. If you've zoomed it, cropped it, whatever, those are retained.
It also means you can zoom in without quality loss (at SD) as you've got that extra resolution to play with.
Ian Briscoe July 4th, 2006, 03:07 PM Cheers Mark
Ian
Pete Peterson July 5th, 2006, 12:41 AM what are the best render settings to maintain the exact same dimensions when i'm done editing?
alot of times i'll be doing a video, and then after i render there will be
letterboxes when i didn't want it or the image will be stretched. Do i change
the project settings to match exactly the video?
(ie 512/384 24 frames a second)(also, is it better to have the ratio to 1.00 or 0.9101?I played around with the stretch to avoid letterboxing setting thing but it's still sometimes hit and miss.
Also, any ideas for the best way to handle several video files with different
properties? I have at least 5 movie files i want to merge into one but when i
render i'm afraid it will mess up as i can only make one setting for the end
file?
I am rendering to divx if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance.
Mike Kujbida July 5th, 2006, 04:23 AM Do i change the project settings to match exactly the video?
That's the best way to do it.
As you've discovered, there's no easy way to mix and match videos that have different settings without making compromises (letterbox or pan & scan) somewhere along the line.
David Bird July 5th, 2006, 06:27 AM Now that I've purchased a ProMist filter for my cam, I'm having second thoughts about shooting original footage with it, i.e., I'm stuck with the "look". Any suggestions on how to get a similar look in post. Gaussian blur, luminance, etc.
Thanks in advance for any help.
David Bird
Seth Bloombaum July 5th, 2006, 10:20 AM Ya', that black promist has mostly stayed in my camera case, too.
I've not tried as such, but I'd start with a little gaussian blur, glow, and I'd bring the black level up to perhaps 15 or 20 using Brightness & Contrast or Levels.
I think you'll find the glow efx interesting. Maybe light rays as well. Blur probably goes last in the chain.
David Bird July 5th, 2006, 01:12 PM I've tried dragging glow, light rays, and gaussian blur effects to a clip on my timeline. I'm not seeing any of the effects in the preview window....does the clip have to be rendered before I can see how the effects have changed the look?
David Bird
Edward Troxel July 5th, 2006, 01:43 PM Click on the "Split Screen View" button just above the preview screen (it's a circle that's half light and half dark) to turn it off. You apparently have it set to "bypass effects".
David Bird July 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM It's always the little things...Thank you, sir
David Bird
Pete Peterson July 5th, 2006, 05:23 PM When i enter into pan/crop or a particular FX, i would like to be able to play
then timeline below for a quick preview instead of having to move the mouse
down and then hit play. I've read about a play from anywhere button ctrl-space
or F12 is supposed to do it but when i try it doesnt do anything.
Is there anyway to restore this setting so i can play the timeline from these areas?
Steve Clee July 5th, 2006, 07:39 PM So I have made up my menu pic via Photoshop. Imported the
psd into DVDA. Now is there a way for me to hotlink certain areas of the
background pic to certain media clips ?
Cheers
Steve
Don Donatello July 5th, 2006, 07:58 PM drop the clip into the menu on top of photo ...
then change the button ( clip ) to TEXT only -
move the text over the area in the photo and shape it to the area - then "edit text" and take out the text ( leave area blank) .. now that area of the photo will be highlighted and links to the clip
Edward Troxel July 5th, 2006, 08:11 PM F12 should work fine for that purpose. I just tested on my system with Pan/Crop and and Effects window open and it worked in both cases. If you haven't changed the keyboard shortcuts, it should work fine for you as well. If you have, you can hold down CTRL-SHIFT while starting Vegas to reset everything back to factory defaults.
Steve Clee July 5th, 2006, 08:20 PM Thanks alot, will give that a try..
Cheers
SC
Tony Newman July 5th, 2006, 11:36 PM Hello everyone!
I've been aquiring video with my FXI and capturing /editing with Vegas 6.0 with never a problem. However, after a customer dropped off a DV tape that was recorded by a DVCPro camera. I tried to log it in but Vegas refuses to see or capture it. I can see the video footage play back on the FX1 monitor and I've tried every setting I can think of on the FX1 output. Any way I can capture DVCPro tape using the FX1 as a playback device in Vegas?
Thanks, Tony Newman
Graham Bernard July 5th, 2006, 11:55 PM F12 should work fine for that purpose. I just tested on my system with Pan/Crop and and Effects window open and it worked in both cases.
Yes, this works for me too. But, it also knocks out my Contour Shuttle Pro control. I need to go to the Time Line with mouse OR k/b to override the t/l cursor. And then I can use my CSP. So, one step forward, and one step back.
If you haven't changed the keyboard shortcuts, it should work fine for you as well.
What do you mean Edward? Do you mean that if I have made "any" changes this will not work OR do you mean any specific changes? Your, "If you haven't changed the keyboard shortcuts, . ." is telling me that if I want to make this work I should have changed any k/b shortcuts? Or are you meaning any F12 shortcuts? I haven't changed any F12 shortcuts.
Please clarify,
Grazie
Arnold English July 6th, 2006, 04:30 AM I have another question concerning FADE IN/OUT. Does that apply to the "video" part also? Can you fade out (gradually darken out) a video event's graphics?
Mark Bryant July 6th, 2006, 06:28 AM Sure you can. On the timeline point the cursor at the top right corner of the video event and drag it to the left.
Douglas Spotted Eagle July 6th, 2006, 07:40 AM The FX1 won't pass DVCPro. DVCam, yes... But not DVCPro
Edward Troxel July 6th, 2006, 08:26 AM What do you mean Edward? Do you mean that if I have made "any" changes this will not work OR do you mean any specific changes?
Well... I specifically meant if the F12 key had be redefined to do something else.
Graham Bernard July 6th, 2006, 09:16 AM Good! Phew . . Next!! - G
Peter Diamond July 6th, 2006, 10:50 AM Hello everyone.
I recently starting converting VHS tapes to DVD. When converting the video to DVD, I am provided with various quality levels. As at least most of you probably know, higher quality means less playing time. Well, here's what I'm wondering. I'm fanatical when it comes to quality. At the same time though, you don't get much room on the DVD when you record on high quality. One level down from the highest quality level (Standard Play) does provide a good amount of time though. What I would like to know is if there can be any noticeable quality difference when converting any VHS tape to DVD in Standard Play mode as opposed to High Quality mode (I figured there might not be since VHS is already less quality to begin with). If there is no noticeable difference, then I have another question. Is there any noticeable difference when you convert a hi-8 video to DVD in Standard Play mode instead of High Quality mode?
Your help is greatly appreciated.
~Peter D.
John Cline July 6th, 2006, 04:38 PM It's exactly the opposite of what you'd think. Since most of the compression in MPEG2 video is accomplished by only encoding the difference between frames, really pristine, noise-free video can actually be rendered at a lower bit rate and still maintain quality. VHS video is typically pretty noisy and it requires a HIGHER bit rate to maintain quality. If you're concerned about quality, then the "high quality" mode is a must, PARTICULARLY with noisy VHS and Hi8 video.
John
Jon Fairhurst July 6th, 2006, 06:22 PM I know that Vegas doesn't handle DVCProHD natively. How about DVCPro50?
I did a search and saw an implication that Vegas doesn't support DVCPro50 natively, but I'm looking for a definitive answer.
If the answer is "no", is the answer to the next question "Raylight" or "Cineform"?
Thanks!
Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006, 08:17 PM I fired up my PC the other day and previewed some footage from the timeline on my external monitor. Suddenly, the image started cutting out and then back in. I noticed a pattern: Five blinks, apx. 75 seconds of smooth sailing, five more blinks, etc.
After blaming my XL1s I decided to hook up the other cam before sending the one to Canon. The same thing happened. Different cables, different monitor, a new firewire card--nothing seems to make it stop. Capture works fine, from what I can tell.
I know that, occasionally, Vegas decides to play tricks upon start-up--like unchecking the preview window. Is it possible that a setting got messed up and is causing a conflict?
Albert Rodgers July 6th, 2006, 08:22 PM Hey guys,
I have been testing Ultimate S 2.0 and Excalibur plug-ins. They both seem to be fanastic products. I am leaning toward the Ultimate S because it appears to have more features that I am looking for. Is there any way to receive a discount code on this product?
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Edward Troxel July 6th, 2006, 08:29 PM It's more likely something interrupting the firewire connection. Perhaps a network connection, anything taking excess CPU time...
Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006, 08:45 PM Hmm....there's nothing else running on this PC--no network connection, no unnecessary background programs running. It's a Vegas only machine!
p.s. How ya feeling, these days, Edward? Great, I hope!!!! :)
Edward Troxel July 6th, 2006, 09:12 PM p.s. How ya feeling, these days, Edward? Great, I hope!!!! :)
Doing very well. Just got back from a round of golf!
As for the problem, any interrupt conflicts? Any other changes you can think of? Did it work properly before?
Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006, 09:17 PM That's what is so strange--everything has been working just fine, no changes in hardware or anything else lately.
I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I can't remember how to check the IRQ settings! LOL! Help a sister out??? :)
...Glad to hear you're doing so well!
Douglas Spotted Eagle July 6th, 2006, 11:11 PM You can pick up a DVCpro50 codec from Matrox.com (free) and for DVCPro HD, Raylight or CineForm. I've worked a lot with the Raylight, and haven't worked with the CineForm at all as of yet, but the Raylight looks great. If the CineForm follows the standard of quality that they've demonstrated in the past, it too, is great.
Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006, 11:58 PM By process of elimination, my friend Rich figured out the problem. He told me to pull out any card I wasn't using. Because I don't connect to the Internet through this machine I'd forgotten about a wireless adapter used (without problems) by the former owner of this PC. Apparently, that was the culprit.
Edward, sorry to have bothered you, but thank you for taking the time to help! :)
Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006, 02:33 AM Hi Douglas,
Do you know if the Matrox codec solution requires an offline pass before editing the DVCPro50 content, or does it plug into Vegas, allowing immediate editing.
And... If it's an extra pass, is it fast and efficient?
Thanks!
Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006, 06:11 AM I'm trying to get two separate audio tracks - one with on-board mic and the other through the a sound board on the audio 2, and I am wondering if my version of Vegas can import the 4 channels of audio during capture? I'd like to have the extra channel of audio for sound backup but not sure if my editing software can do this. Any advice out there?
thanks
dean
Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006, 07:45 AM Hi Douglas,
Do you know if the Matrox codec solution requires an offline pass before editing the DVCPro50 content, or does it plug into Vegas, allowing immediate editing.
And... If it's an extra pass, is it fast and efficient?
Thanks!
If you want to capture in Vegas, it requires an offline pass. If you want to capture with a third party app that supports DVCPro50 during capture, then you can drop it straight into Vegas and start editing, and then print back to tape using the same third party app with which you captured.
Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006, 07:50 AM Vegas can't, Scenelyzer can.
Bear in mind that when using 4 tracks of DV (and HDV) audio you're reducing the sampling rate and frequency, and it damages the integrity of the audio.
If you already knew this and don't mind, ignore my warning. ;-)
Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006, 08:15 AM thanks for the advice....actually, I knew that the audio would be reduced to that of FM quality - so I don't want that....Is there a way to still shoot with 4 channel and then only import the 2 channel into Vegas and have the other 2 channels as back up at a later time with other software?
Charley Gallagher July 7th, 2006, 09:28 AM This is probably a simple fix but I don't know what I am doing wrong. When I go to render this checkbox is not available to me.
Anyone have any ideas?
Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006, 10:44 AM Got it. Thanks!
Raza Ahmad July 7th, 2006, 01:10 PM Hi.
I came across DVInfo's Douglas Spotted Eagle's Vegas 4 Editing Workshop on half.com.
I am looking for a good book to give my dad on working with Vegas. He's not too tech savvy, basically wants to use it for family videos and the like.
Has anyone seen or used this book? Would it give someone who has very little savvy the right information the right way to enable them to produce simple projects? Or is it more of a power user's manual...
Any other Vegas 4 book recommendations if thats the case?
Thanks.
Raza
edit: my bad, wrong forum, admin, if you come across this could you please xfer it over to the non hdv vegas forum? thanks.
Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006, 01:27 PM I would like to convert footage in Vegas Movie Maker + Platinum to the WWW, but everytime I attempt, it tells me that the footage is too large to be converted - Isn't that one of the features that Vegas is suspose to do is to covert a large file so it can be displayed on the web?? Or the other option is to e-mail it, and when I try to convert it to e-mail, it again, tells me the file is too large. What am I doing wrong?
David Jimerson July 7th, 2006, 02:05 PM Spot's Vegas 4 guide is one of the seminal works of Vegas training. I can't think of anything more accessible and useful for users of any level.
Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006, 02:31 PM What template/format are you attempting to convert to? VMS does a great job of converting for REAL and WMV formats, but the QT encode isn't so great.
Go to File/render/ choose a wmv template, and I'd recommend using 512kpbs or smaller for most things.
What is the length of the file you're encoding?
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