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Juan Oropeza December 26th, 2006, 01:23 PM I've been using the sheer codec for about a year now and have unsuccessfully been able to use it to and from Vegas 6 & 7. It just crashes Vegas like DSE said. I am aware that bitjazz is gearing up to release a avi version vice quicktime's mov. Hopefully, it will work properly at that time.
Juan
Steven Bills December 26th, 2006, 08:54 PM Thanks guys, that's exactly what I was looking for.
Ben Chancey December 26th, 2006, 10:41 PM I wanted to give thanks to Douglas Spotted Eagle, Edward Troxel, and many others on this forum who helped point me in the right direction for editing the "Chew On This" Saltwater Fishing Show. I wanted to post a couple of links for you guys to see what I was able to do with your help. I have been on the Sportsman Channel for 6 months now and I just signed up with them for another year. I have also been on Comcast locally for about 14 months straight. With the help from some forum members I was also able to get an HDV pilot converted to a HDCAM pilot for the Outdoors Channel to reveiw. The show made it to the board meeting where I was informed they believed it was too regional to fit in the direction the company was looking for. Even though I was turned down I did find some positives in the experience. 1) They thouht the editing was up to the level of their HD programing. Douglas Spotted Eagle insisted many times the HDV format would pass the networks demands and I believe he was right. 2) The professional advice I recieved here was better than any advice I found anywhere else. Everyone here is applauded by me.
I am now in the process of attempting to ad all of the cool jumpbacks, wipes, sound FX, and other candy items that will give the show it's final pizazz. If you guys get a chance take a look at the shows on youtube and see if you recognize the content. I also need suggestions on how to add the fancy wipes and other lower thirds. I have made many of my own but I believe I can do or find better. Thank you all for your help and time. Happy New Year!
Double Trouble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab6A1kltyrE
Fishbelly Snookin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOqycelgQP8
P.S.
I have not been able to post for awhile. For some reason when I attempt to log on with Aol to DV Info I get sent back to the log on screen. I really don't know what is happening.
Regards,
Capt Ben
Greg Boston December 26th, 2006, 10:48 PM P.S.
I have not been able to post for awhile. For some reason when I attempt to log on with Aol to DV Info I get sent back to the log on screen. I really don't know what is happening.
This will happen if your browser is set to refuse cookies. I had the same problem on a synth forum and it was because I wouldn't accept 3rd party cookies from the site.
-gb-
Ben Chancey December 26th, 2006, 10:55 PM Thanks Greg!
I was able to get through in Explorer but not Aol.
Douglas Spotted Eagle December 26th, 2006, 10:55 PM Ben,
Major congrats! It seems the outdoor arena is very saturated with HDV; I'm aware of a couple other cable shows both regional and national using the HDV format.
Congratulations on your successes and I hope for many more to come your way. For lower thirds/wipes, etc, you might find customizing some of the GrafPaks for Ultimate S will get you there, or perhaps we (or other forum member) can custom-build something for you. We do a lot of that sort of thing around here.
Don't be afraid to use masks for lower thirds or wipes, and don't be afraid to freeze frames, put them in Photoshop or other graphic editor, and use those for transitions.
You might find this article (http://www.vasst.com/resource.aspx?id=aa5b86d2-9929-469d-b233-2907a5968e4b) to be of use in making custom transitions.
Ben Chancey December 26th, 2006, 11:10 PM Douglas,
Once again thanks for all the help. I know you don't have to take the time to help me out but you do anyhow. I really appreciate it. I will read the link. I am attempting to keep up with some of the bigger budget shows with animated lowerthirds and overlays. I have used the edited photo shop type stuff but it seems as if the other shows still have a more polished look than I do. Good Lord willing I will be able to find a little niche that will allow me to achieve an equal or nearly equal look of theirs. The budget has been very tough. I have a sponsor who pays the airtime for the show. Everything else is on my own. I even told my wife not to get me anything for Christmas because I just spent $500 on tapes and a $300 640GB raid Metal Gear Hard Drive. I just started running out of space on my 640GB hard drives a few weeks ago. I am contracted to do 26 shows this year on my own. Time to turn my hat around and get to work.
Regards,
Capt Ben
Mark Leonard December 27th, 2006, 10:06 AM just bought vegas 7 and havent really even played with it yet. I've been using pp2 with aspect hd but having some problems capturing with it. How is vegas for capturing data as opposed to using aspect hd? i have a sony HC3 and shoot all hd. thanks in advance
Mark
Alastair Brown December 27th, 2006, 03:04 PM Make sure your project settings, render settings and DVD Architect setting all match i.e. you haven't mistakenly got your project on PAL Widescreen and everything else on NTSC. I've goofed on that count before.
Use the DVD Architect render templates or......to make sure and keep the highest quality, render to avi then import the avi into DVD Architect. When you come to make disc it will say TOO BIG. Hit the Fit To Disc button and it will optimise it to fit.
Hope this helps.
Steven Bills December 27th, 2006, 03:11 PM I have Vegas 7 as well as an HC3, and capturing isn't a problem at all. It is real time, so you can see when to stop it, etc...
Vegas is a great program for editing HD, in that it behaves exactly like DV would. Just cut, cut, cut, color correct, and render.
It's that easy.
SB
Michael Phillips December 27th, 2006, 07:27 PM I have captured my M2T files with Vegas 7 but when I go to put them on the timeline Vegas does not recognize them. I can play them with Nero or Media Player, but when I try to import them from the folder with Vegas they are not there. Seems odd!
Michael
Carl Downs December 27th, 2006, 10:41 PM Very strange... when editing and in preview window ok but when rendered the bright "neon" green and white sign goes pink! take a look at captured pics>
http://www.mythicdevelopments.com/pinkneon.htm
With no color enhancement it is ok when rendered but with any kind of enhancement it goes pink... how can I solve this?? Of course I need to add/adjust color for the main part of the video.
Michael Phillips December 28th, 2006, 01:09 AM Have eventually solved the problem by making 4 attempts to capture to get all the files to work. The problem appears to have occured to at least one other user. Someone might have an answer.
Michael.
Bob Grant December 28th, 2006, 05:03 AM I replied in the Vegas forum.
I suspect your issue is what I've also seen happen.
The video does get captured but somehow Vegas doesn't terminated the process and release the files, Windows shows them as 0Kb and Vegas will not let you put them on the T/L.
Attempting to close Vegas also seems to not works so well, the app terminates but is still running if you look in Task Manager you'll see the Vegas process still running which makes it real flacky next time you open Vegas as you've now got two instances of Vegas running, one's just hidden.
Trying to terminate the process through Task Manager also seems to fail, I ended up doing a hard system reset to kill it. But the wonder was that after that the 0KB m2t file files became 9GB, would load onto the Vegas T/L but had a wierd name like Temp(something).m2t.
Hope this helps.
Stuart Campbell December 28th, 2006, 07:04 AM Having the same problem. If I render out to 'uncompressed' it seems to match my edit preview images. If I select any other format the chroma levels go haywire and the picture looks terrible.
Try rendering out to an uncompressed default template setting and see if the colour changes disappear.
Love to know why this happens tho!
Evan Dowling December 28th, 2006, 11:28 AM All I have to do is rename my m2t files to mpg and vegas is totally happy with them.
Carl Downs December 28th, 2006, 12:32 PM ok... don't understand why it is happening but I found a work around / fix. Put a Secondary Color Corrector on the clip and slightly alter just that color that is the culprit to a slightly darker color. You have to play with the sliders quite a bit to get it just right and not change anything else in the picture. Also don't change the color to drastically because there always seems to be an "edge" and it looks goofy... just stick close to the original color and tone it down a bit.
Arunas Jocius December 28th, 2006, 04:50 PM I have a HDV camcorder recording video at 1080i, I intend to watch my video on 720p projector (that also reads 1080i input) , I also want to be able to watch it occasionally on 576i CRT TV, give DVD to friends that could play it on PAL DVD player and I also want to leave myself an opportunity to later purchase 1080 projector or tv and be able to watch video with highest possible quality later on (meaning to reproduce my video at 1080i as camera has recorded it).
What properties do I start with? I fear I will need to do couple of reenderings, but what is least painfull way. I do not capture much of material, so I should find time where my PC could reender to couple of formats (best would be to do that in batch), but where do I stat? Once I start a new project, I need to select template. Each template has with and height of the picture attached. What should be my original template? 1080, because that is what camera records? 720 as it is max capacity of my projector?
Please advice.
Guy Bruner December 28th, 2006, 05:00 PM You should set the project properties to what the camcorder records: HDV PAL 1440x1080, 50i. Then, render it out to the other formats using the appropriate template.
Joe Bowey December 28th, 2006, 06:18 PM Has anyone used them in Vegas 7? Just came accross the website and if it worked in vegas then I might buy a few.
Edward Troxel December 28th, 2006, 08:38 PM Are you talking about the DVD menus? If you are, then they will not work directly. You would have to rename the layers to DVD Architect's conventions. If not, which products are you talking about?
Grant Macdonald December 28th, 2006, 11:39 PM I was looking at some of the great new video cards offered by Matrox http://www.matrox.com/video/products/axiole/home.cfm
And wondered what advantage it would give to Vegas, I mean I understand that the breakout box give you great capturing capabilities but it seems that a lot of the stuff a nice card like this will provide Vegas already does??
Douglas Spotted Eagle December 29th, 2006, 01:05 AM The Axio card, and any other hardware assist card, won't be of any benefit in Vegas. Vegas is software-driven, and doesn't use a HAL (Hardware Application Layer) in it's structure. So, save your $$, or use those hard-earned bucks for a faster processor and more HDD space.
Peter Jefferson December 29th, 2006, 05:51 AM that and the fact AXIO is bloody expensive.. next system down is the RT2, but that doesnt even do 720p, let alone 1080p...
with vegas u CAN
on top of that, rendering n a dual core or higher is faster than realtime (these hadware accelerator cards are realtime)
Greg Quinn December 30th, 2006, 02:00 AM Please excuse this dumb question, but am I correct in thinking that when I capture a a 24P m2t file from my V1U using Vegas from within a 24P HDV project, the M2T file is still a regular 60i stream file; it's only after that clip is pulled into the timeline (and potentially further exported) that the 3:2 pulldown is removed and I have a true 24P clip.
(BTW, is it just me, of does anyone else think 24P on the V1U has an unusual look to it)?
Thanks
Greg
Douglas Spotted Eagle December 30th, 2006, 02:07 AM Vegas will auto-recognize the media as being 24p in Vegas version 7c, regardless of what sort of timeline you create.
I've had two people email me with projects/media saying "24p looks weird."
In both cases, they had 60i timelines with 24p media in it. So, Vegas is re-inserting pulldown. Open the HDV 23.976 template, and you'll see smooth, correct 24p.
Michael Best December 30th, 2006, 06:49 PM Hello, shot project with a JVC HD100, 24p, Vegas 7, rendered, looks great.
Went in to tweak project, render, the whole frame is smaller. Not sure what changed but I think I might be 'rendering as' something different than original.
Should I not use 'widescreen' beccause it was shot natively 16:9? Or any other input. Everything seems to output the whole rectangle/frame smaller.
Thanks and happy new year.
Stuart Campbell December 31st, 2006, 09:02 AM I've noticed that transitional cuts from punched in clips give me a horrid transition. It's almost as if I can see the image wipe from bottom to top of frame. It's an uncomfortable cut on the eye. Any ideas? I remember chatting with a Vision Mixer on a Studio production some time ago while he was timing the procamp on the mixer to cut between sources better. It's a similar effect. Surely it's nothing to do with that is it?
Piece shot in standard DV 25p.
Jamie Hellmich December 31st, 2006, 01:43 PM Michael,
Did you "check" the "do not letterbox" option in the "Render As" dialog box?
Set the preview window background to white, play the file from the explorer tab, or put it on the timeline, and see if the "black bars" are there. If they are, put a check in the aforementioned option and render the original project again.
I assume you rendered in 720 X 480 widescreen. This also assumes your project properties settings are the same as the output settings.
Jamie
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