What you're looking at is the result of the D.P.s work, as well as the colorist. Film stock plays a part, but modern color-correction can do an awful lot.

I'm not familiar with the color correction tools available in Vegas, but here's a rundown of what I see in the color work in this vid:

-Midtones substantially warmed up
-Blacks elevated quite a bit, sometimes warmed up as well, sometimes bent towards cyan (band in the bar)
-General desaturation

I'll go out on a limb and guess you can do these things in Vegas.

Realize there's some subtleties of film response (toe and gamma) that have been pretty elusive when trying to make HD from say, a Sony F900, look like bad 16mm. You can get 90% of the way there, but the last 10% is difficult.

One of the things they're emulating in this vid is the look of 16mm transferred on an older telecine...possibly something before the advent of flying spot telecines.

[no jokes about The Killers being from Vegas]

Ok, so I'll start at the beginning. I shot something on the XL2, in 24p 2:3:3:2 mode, in 16:9.

I edited the project on FCP, at a local production company's facilities, with whom I am friends (the purpose being to learn something about FCP in the process).

I exported the final cut to a Quicktime file, with the same settings as the project, and put it on a DVD.

I took said DVD to my house, where I have Vegas 6, and copied the file to my hard drive, the intent being to mess with it in Vegas 6 for my reel, or whatever.

In Vegas, I created a project using the settings of 24p DV Widescreen, and have tried making an AVI with those same settings, as well as Windows Media Player and Quicktime files. It just won't make it 16:9. . .keeps giving me a squished 4:3. I can't fingure out what I could possibly doing wrong. Can you guys help?

The various players all play it back as a 4:3 with the squish going on. How do they make the movie trailers in Quicktime that play in a 16:9 shaped player? why can't I get this to work?

[no jokes about The Killers being from Vegas]

Ah Nate, darn you, I was ready to pounce on that one.

Killjoy. (grin)

-gb-

Most movie players do not check for a 16:9 flag and always play it back at
an aspect ratio of 1.0. What they do with the QT trailers is pretty simple. They load up the footage in a 1.0 aspect ratio project and crop the output to
the 16:9 frame.

Something I'm missing?
Other than audio peaks, I’d say no. they should just appear unless you hit Esc by accident when you imported the media thus cancelling their creation.

Did you try using View > Rebuild Audio peaks (Shift + F5) to rebuild them?

~jr

I would like to change the layout of Vegas and I cant quite figure it out. I did search the forum and could didnt find what I was looking for. Can someone here help me out? thanks

Depends on what you're wanting to change. If you want the timeline on bottom instead of the top, that's a new option in Vegas 7 under Options - Preferences. If you just want to move a window around, just click on the dots going up the left side and drag to whereever you want it to be.

And remember that you can save and recall up to 10 different layouts.

From p. 309 in the Vegas 7 manual (or p. 30 in the Vegas 6 manual):

1. Arrange the windows and docking as desired.
2. Ctrl+Alt+D; release the keys; press a number of your keyboard (not the numeric keyboard) to save the layout.
3. Alt+D; release the keys; press a number of your keyboard (not the numeric keyboard) to recall the layout.

Vegas 7 added this to the View menu (View > Windows Layouts).

Hi all,


Well it had to happen, I had to play with HD content sooner or later so here it is.

I put together a demo that will be shown in a trade show wednesday. Will will use a HUGE 46in plasma tv. The owner told me that I should render my project in square pixel and progressive scan. Since all the files that I have were not shot in HD I had to set them all with those settings. Things are looking good in the preview window.

Now when I attempt to render the render window comes up and automatically the HDV 720-30p template is selected AND the Cineform codec is also selected in the video tab.

When I hit render theses black bars appear on the left and right of all images. Funny thing is that if I choose the NTSC DV codec the bars don't show.

Will these bars be visible when I watch the demo on that plasma tv ? or do I need to use the NTSC DV codec?

Thanks,

Phil

Hi Phil. When you render, there is an option "Stretch video to fill output frame size (do not letterbox)". I suggest you check that and try the render again.

Richard

Well Richard, I can't believe it, it was as simple as that.

Thanks :)

My buddy somehow got it to work with his. . .


http://www.robertsonstreetproductions.com/Santino.wmv

Here's a clip I shot with the XL2, 24p, 16:9.


He has Vegas 5 (I have 6). His magic secret was to start a new project with the 24p DV Widescreen setting, and render a WMV file with the default template. When I try it, I get squished crap. I'm at a loss.

Sorry for bumping this topic, but I'd also like an answer to Emre's question.

hi i am marco from italy, sorry for my bad english
i have a very important question about my configuration pc for editing to hdv format
with vegas 7.0


now my pc configuration is:

motherboard gigabyte ga-k8nf9 (chip set nforce4) fire wire 1394b (800) on board
cpu amd 64 bit 3200 venice socket 939
1 gb ddr400 2x 512mb kingstone case latency 3
1 video card ati x300 pci express 256mb
1 hd maxtor serial ata 1 160gb rpm 7200 (for program and s.o windows xp prof sp2)

2 hd maxtor serial ata 1 250gb rpm 7200 (for dati audio and video)
power supply enermax 430w


i think this pc configuration is not good for video editing hdv.

i wont more power for my pc

i think to change cpu to dual core amd 2x4400 (cache l2 1mb) or better 2x4800
i refused idea to buy 2x4600 because the cache l2 is only 512mb

i wont buy another 2 module ddr400 512mb

for have a total memory 2gb

the hd for video capture will be configured in raid mode ????

for video capture i will use firewire on my mother board.

what's thinking about my questions ????


thanks a lot marco

Ciao Marco, I think you have the right idea. Adding a dual core AMD to your existing motherboard will definitely boost your performance for HD. I have the Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and it does just fine. 2GB of memory and a RAID will also help (that’s what I’m using).

You can see the specs for my PC for comparison on the PC Equipment (http://www.johnrofrano.com/pcequipment.htm) page of my web site.

~jr

Ciao Marco, I think you have the right idea. Adding a dual core AMD to your existing motherboard will definitely boost your performance for HD. I have the Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and it does just fine. 2GB of memory and a RAID will also help (that’s what I’m using).

You can see the specs for my PC for comparison on the PC Equipment (http://www.johnrofrano.com/pcequipment.htm) page of my web site.

~jr

dear john
WONDERFULL information

your system work fine with camcorder hdv and vegas 7 ??
what's think about a cpu dual core 2x4400 ???

you have compared edius vs vegas for hdv ???

wonderfull your web site

thanks a lot marco

ciao ciao from italy

you can acheive a similar effect by manipulating a undersample rate in addition to motion blur.
Right clik event, Properties, undersample rate, set to .500

i really want to make one but am pretty clueless to what i need, so can you please tell me what i need to download or what i need on my computer to be able to make a reverse video?

Right click the clip/event, and select "Reverse"
Or, insert a velocity envelope and set to -100

is there a certain software that i need to use to do this?

If you are using Sony Vegas, then that is the software to use.

Since you asked in the Vegas forum, it was assumed you were using Vegas. Spot's answer tells you how to do it in Vegas. If you're using some other NLE, the answer will be different.

Can you give more details as to what you HAVE? It sounds like you might not have ANY NLE (Non-Linear Editing) software?

your system work fine with camcorder hdv and vegas 7 ??
Yes, I shoot with my Sony HVR-Z1U and edit M2T files directly on the timeline with Vegas 7 without any problems.

what's think about a cpu dual core 2x4400 ???
The AMD X2 4400 will do just fine.

you have compared edius vs vegas for hdv ???
No I’ve never used Edius so I cannot compare them.

wonderfull your web site
Thanks

~jr

Have 5 mpegs in the project and have a menu together. Set start and end markers on the views as only need partial clips. Preview in DVD architect works great, videos play correct. Rendered DVD has audio out of sync. The audio is starting at 0 even though the video starts and the "In line". Any ideas?

I am running AMD 3800 + Dual Core, and works fine with Vegas 7. I also have an ATI PCI Express X700 video card, and 2 mgs memory.

Premiere 2.0 actually seems to render faster than Vegas 7 with the set up, and I haven't found an answer why yet. I am thinking it may be because Premeire might be using video card some...

Anybody answer that ?

Also, I am hearing that emphatically that the new Intel Core Duo are killing the dual core AMDs.

John Rofrano write Yes, I shoot with my Sony HVR-Z1U and edit M2T files directly on the timeline with Vegas 7 without any problems.
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hi john you sistem work in real time for effect 2d ???
when you finish your video convert video in this format ???

divx hd codec 6
h264 hd
mpeg hd
wmv hd
or another format ???

thanks a lot bye marco

I am running AMD 3800 + Dual Core, and works fine with Vegas 7. I also have an ATI PCI Express X700 video card, and 2 mgs memory.



Also, I am hearing that emphatically that the new Intel Core Duo are killing the dual core AMDs.

## Hi Chris i am very happy for your answer, i hope with a 2x4400 or better 2x4800 the most effect 2d will be real time.
what' you think about my video card ati pci express x300 256mb work fine, or change it with last video card x1600 x1900 ???
your memory is select or normal oem ???
case latency your memory ???
my ddr 400 have a value 3 of case latency

## I HOPE in future will buy a 4 core very performance !!!
now i wont booster my pc for hdv.

you have a configuration a raid system for capture and editing your video hdv ??

thanks a lot marco

## Hi Chris i am very happy for your answer, i hope with a 2x4400 or better 2x4800 the most effect 2d will be real time.
what' you think about my video card ati pci express x300 256mb work fine, or change it with last video card x1600 x1900 ???
your memory is select or normal oem ???
case latency your memory ???
my ddr 400 have a value 3 of case latency

## I HOPE in future will buy a 4 core very performance !!!
now i wont booster my pc for hdv.

you have a configuration a raid system for capture and editing your video hdv ??

thanks a lot marco

Marco:

I'm not a high tech guy. I bought my motherboard, memory, and everything at a discount electronic store here in Sacramento, based primarily on price. I wasn't necessarily looking for highest performance- just something that would work decently. Despite that, I get pretty good results with HDV. Close to what I used edit DV in with a 1.7 GHZ Intel system. So that makes me happy... I think ram is DDR 2700 something... Motherboard a ECS NForce4 A939, low end board. Simple IDE on the HDs..... Capture is no problem. No raid on board, and since HDV is same data rate as DV, you shouldn't need it. Rendering and play HDV is where memory and processing occurs,

Premiere 2.0 actually seems to render faster than Vegas 7 with the set up, and I haven't found an answer why yet. I am thinking it may be because Premeire might be using video card some...

Anybody answer that ?

.
Yep...try rendering a page curl or anything else that has verticals, horizontals, and diagonal lines. Look at the difference between the two applications in their final render. You'll see why Vegas takes longer. You're not imagining anything...Vegas is about 10% longer overall.

I have had this problem 2 times in the last 2 years and thats been literally hundreds of projects so thankfully it doesn't happen often but when it does as you've found out it's a great big PITA. Here's what I've done to "fix" it. Since it has happened for no appearent reason I've re-rendered the project to MPEG and AC3 with a new file name. Yep, it takes some time but honestly I would try that before anything else. It's worked for me both times so I would have to think it would work for you but if it doesn't don't blame me. I only work here ;-()

Don

Just on the off chance you might mean "reverse" as in "mirrored" . . .

You click on the pan/crop icon, then right-click in the frame and choose "flip horizontal."

Gentlemen, I seem to have found the solution.

This may sound really weird.


Ok, so, we have "24p DV Widescreen" as the project preset. Then, we take our 16:9 clip, in the timeline, right click, go to "switches", and uncheck the "maintain aspect ratio" switch.

When we render to a .wmv file, we go to the video tab, and select "custom" from the "video size" (or maybe it's image size. SOMETHING size, at any rate) dialogue box. We then enter 960 (w) x 480 (h) as the size. We then render. POOF! video that plays back in WMP letterboxed.

David, thanks for posting that information. I was trying to do that the other day and didn't now where to look.

Curt

That's the method I was talking about, glad you got it working Josh!

I just got Vegas 6 for $99 when I ordered my HDR-HC3 and I was wondering is the Connect HD that comes with it only a trial software? I dont want to start using it if is a trial software.

Also does it come with Magic Bullet Time ? If it did I could not find it or does it only come with Vegas +DVD ? Im thinking of upgrading to Vegas7 but Im not sure it is is worth it to me.

Joey

The Cineform codec that comes with Vegas is not time limited. It is NOT the full "Connect HD" package, though. If you're going to be editing HDV, you might want to look at upgrading to Vegas 7 before the $150 upgrade price is gone (the end of October).

As for Magic Bullet, check with Customer Service and see if that version does.

I will probably upgrade today. I just saw that the upgrade comes with Bullet time for sure.

Thanks Edward.
Joey

It's the first time I've ever really done any chromakey work in vegas 5 and I'm getting jaggies around my guy. These are hard sharp pixelated lines before I even try to key him out. They are partially transparent as well which makes them stand out even more when I key him out. Yikes.

The raw video itself looks fine when I preview it in windows media player, but when I roll it on the timeline in vegas those semitransparent jaggies appear on the edges. They are also there after I render the video in Vegas.

At this point I've almost given up and I'm not even trying to key they guy out, I'm just trying to edit the video in Vegas and pass it off to another guy here at work who is going to key him with After Effects. But the video is just looking so rough around the edges in Vegas. I mean horrible. This isn't looking good since I'm trying to get my whole company to switch to Vegas and I can't even get a normal video cut without it looking like junk.

By the way my project and preview settings are all set to best and I'm editing DV NTSC from a Sony VX2100.
This has never happened to me before in all the years I've cut with vegas. But this is not my personal machine. This is a work machine. So perhaps something is setup wrong?

Any help would be great, I'm on a deadline.
Thanks

Try adding Chromablur set to a value of 2.00 BEFORE the chromakeyer filter.
Post a PNG of the file somewhere, captured from BEST. It may be that someone can build a preset for you.

Actually I kind of figured it out. I was rendering to uncompressed and it was producing the same effect it does in the timeline. However when I render to DV NTSC the problem disappears. Funny, I'd think uncompressed would be higher quality.
I'll try your suggestion as well.

I have Vegas 6, which I have been using for DV editing with great success. I am ordering an HVX-200 and am expecting to need Edius Broadcast to edit the DVCPRO files. Is there any reason that you can think of for me to upgrade Vegas to version 7 ?

If you don't have Magic Bullet Movie Looks you can download it from the Sony site for Vegas 6. Bear in mind this isn't Magic Bullet Editors - it is a limited feature version.

I shot a project that has over 1200 clips. I initially edited using Cineform's intermediary with Vegas 6. Now that Vegas 7 is out, and I can edit the native m2t files, I wanted to do a re-edit because the m2t files look much better (IMO) when viewing side by side (am I doing something wrong?). The problem I'm having is moving the m2t medial files from Media Manager to Project Media. I select the clips and right click to Place in Project Media, but I always get a Fatal Exception. I have tried to move the clips piecemeal and save as I go along, but I can't seem to get past around 150-175 before the Fatal Exception occurs upon opening the project.

Tried to do a search and found something regarding the number of m2t files on the timeline in Vegas 6, but nothing addressing this particular problem. Is there a fix?

Any suggestions?

First, the limited number of m2t's is dealt with well in Vegas 7. Just finished a project that had 70 hours of tape and over 2400 clips.
.m2t shouldn't look better than CineForm when viewed side by side. they should be approx the same, or the CineForm slightly sharper, as Vegas 6 treats CineForm as a native format, while m2t is transcoded on the fly. CineForm still provides some significant benefits regardless of seriously better performance in Vegas 7 of HDV files.

I have Vegas 6, which I have been using for DV editing with great success. I am ordering an HVX-200 and am expecting to need Edius Broadcast to edit the DVCPRO files. Is there any reason that you can think of for me to upgrade Vegas to version 7 ?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70989
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71402
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=72708

Hi, I'm new to Vegas so bare with me.

I have a circle logo that I brought in as a PNG image. I want to animate the logo and make it roll out like a barrel from the left side of the screen. Playing with the Pan options I can make it spin in place in the center of the screen, but when I try to start with the image off screen, it ends up spiraling into the center, not rolling in a straight line from left to center (which is what I want).

hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Craig D

Repeat after me; KEYFRAMES ARE MY FRIEND. :-)

By using keyframes you can do many many things with your logo. to get it to spin off the frame set a keyframe to the time you want it to start spinning off and then move the box in the PAN/CROP to the position you want it to end up in and place a keyframe there. That way the box has a direction, a map if you will, to follow.

HTHs

Don

Be careful with the alienware. I bought a desktop in 2001 and it was great. I bought a laptop in 2004 and it has given me trouble all the time.

First the motherboard had a problem which made the system lock up if you unplugged it from the charger.

After many hours on tech support, they finally had me mail it back after I had to get angry and volatile on the phone. This was after probably 8 or more tech support calls. They just kept making me run the same stupid test again and again.

After a month they sent it back, but then the video card was damaged. Most likely from the beginning faulty motherboard. They had to send me a new card to fix that.

Within a year overheating issues became worse and worse. Now the system is essentially a desktop. No laptop cooling pads would move enough air to cool it. It is now propped up with the bottom panel off and a small desk fan mounted behind it to keep it cool.

I now have a dual display setup and the system behaves pretty well when she is kept cool. It just sucks that my "laptop" is no longer portable at all.

I was a real supporter of Alienware, but after reading many horror stories on notebookforems.com, and dealing with my own, my mind has changed. If you do buy one, get the best warranty you can, just in case. Overheating is a major problem, but they should do a better job of curbing that when they cram that kind of hard ware inside.

The latest case designs may have fixed all this by now.

Well I did that. I had the first keyframe with the object outside the left of the frame. Then the second keyframe with the logo in the center how I want it to stop.

Doing this, the logo slides in from left to center. I want it to roll as it moves in. So I took the first keyframe (the one with the logo outside the frame) and rotated it 180 degrees. This makes the logo spiral in, not roll.

I think it is because I am spinning the frame, not the logo. Is there a way to make the logo spin with out spinning the frame around it?

DSE, do you capture using the medium setting or the large setting in cineform? Is the difference really negligble?