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Thank you Craig and Bill! Back in the early '90s, I was interning at a local cable station then owned by Scripps Howard, then Comcast who eventually got rid of it 10 years later. When it was new, I approached and convinced them to let me produce a show using their gear and in return for the use of that, I worked for free as a shooter for their news department. I didn't mind that deal because I was very young and was just happy to be doing something that I had always wanted to do. I came out ahead on that deal because I could never put a value on the hands on training (total immersion) that I got from that experience. One other note is that after Comcast took over, for some reason, they started paying local college interns. I don't know if there were complaints from the schools or if they realized they may have been breaking labor laws. It was kind of discouraging to be around people that knew far less than me, people I was training and supervising GETTING PAID while I worked for free! But not really, the hands on experience that I received then has served me well and has been a key reason for getting me where I am today. These posts for nonpaid positions are not all shady but I will only do something once that I haven't done before, if it gets me experience that I think I need and there's probably no other way that I could have gotten it.
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way. We should all be thankful that everyone doesn't charge for internships or the privilege of working for someone!
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But they do! It used to be you had to pay around $3200 for a PD-150, then it went to $3500 for the DVX-100 to shoot in 24p, now they ask you to have a Z1 for $4600 and when the Panasonic HVX-200 comes out you'll have to pay $6000! I expect to see interns who must have a Thompson Viper soon! |
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Craig, excellent point!
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Talk about shady. A wedding ceremony with four people and it'll be 2 hours. Heck even the longer ones don't go much over an hour. Waz up with dat? Then he wants TWO more shoot days at about 5 hours each. Cost 12 hours over 3 days is $250. Of course the pay's so high because you have to have experience and equipment!
Need person to shoot some digital video I need a cameraman on Nov. 26th for 2 hours to film a barebones wedding in Central Park, only the couple, officiate and me will be present. I also need a cameramann on Nov. 28th and 29th for a total of 10 hours. I want to shoot footage to put on my website. I might have other stuff in the future. You need to have experience and equipment. Pay is $ 250 for the whole thing. |
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Introducing the all new Cannon DVX!
Surely they don't realize just how specialized that camera is. If I'm going to be operating the new Cannon DVX, I think I should be getting more than $50 / day!
"Looking for DP who can work a Cannon DVX 3CCD who has access to a basic lighting kit. We welcome fresh out of film school graduates. A independent trilogy slated for entry to the atlanta film festival $50/ day + credits, copy+ food 3 day shoot" |
an independent trilogy? In three days? Hmm that means one movie a day on a camera that doesn't even exist, good thing it's ok if you're fresh out of film school (which I imagine means GSU or SCAD).
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If they have pro editors teaching, then why do they need editors to cut their content?
"Xxxxxxx based production company is looking to hire professional editors to edit a reality show and future projects. If you have proven work and are looking for your next job send us an email stating your interest along with a resume or a link to your webpage. We are also looking to hire inhouse editors and we do provide on the job training for serious inquiries only. If you have a passion for editing but haven't had the time or opportunity to learn the basics, come join us every Saturday for our inhouse Final Cut workshop. Bring your home photos and video, leave with your own edited project… Next class SATURDAYS BEGINNER’S CLASS 10:00AM – 12:00 $75.00 (ask about our fee wavier program) ADVANCED CLASS 1:00 PM – 3:00PM $75.00 TUESDAYS ADDED BY POPULAR DEMAND! BEGINNER'S CLASS 10:00AM - 12:00 $75.00 BEGINNER'S CLASS 7:00PM - 9:00PM $75.00 IN OUR ONE DAY INTENSIVE TRAINING COURSE, learn Final Cut Pro from our team of Editors with extensive experience in using Final Cut Pro for Film and Video. Our Introductory and Advanced classes teach you the basics you need to complete your own project including: • How to open, log and capture your images, • Basic transitions • Create your own project • Leave class with your own edited video! Class size is restricted, SPACE IS LIMITED. CALL TODAY TO REGISTER" |
Yep, so many low-ballers out there. Recently there was an ad on Shooting People asking for a Digibeta camera owner/operator to work for free with an addition to their reel as reward! I really would love to meet some of the people who put those sorts of ads out face to face so I can put them straight on a few things.
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This is downright FRIGHTENING! A MAJOR Cable Company paying only $150 a day for DV AND BetaSP to shoot COMMERCIALS. I can't fathom this at all! It's sickening!
GRIPS, CAMERA PEOPLE WANTED Cable company seeks grips and experienced DV and Beta SP camera people to assist on local commercial shoots on a freelance basis. Please send resume and reel to: Creative Services Manager Comcast Spotlight 400 Broadacres Drive, 2nd Floor Bloomfield, NJ 07003 Compensation: $150/day |
Maybe they left something out. A pa/grip for 150 isn't that unreasonable on those "little" shoots---surely they would not pay the same rate for a PA as a camera guy. That makes no sense.
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Up and coming, seems to be tag words being used more and more lately. He must have bought one of those TV Network kits at Staples. How can an up and coming network already be prominent? I guess only 20 year olds know how to shoot MTV style videos. My guess is that he is assuming that all 20 year olds are naive and will fall for his crap.
"I am a video producer out of San Francisco. I am looking for a young, 20 something to shoot a hip MTV style video about social, political and environmental events. The pay is low to start but as we do more I can pay more. This is for a very prominent up and coming tv network. I am not being paid much either. Looking to build a team and make a mark. Also need a sound person. Need to shoot early next week. Compensation: $200 for the day" |
Well, he did say 20 SOMETHING. That's anywhere from 20-29.
Also, $200 isn't that bad. I've worked for that. Don't be hatin'. I guess it depends on what gear you're using. |
I think we're losing Josh to the dark side. I don't care what the age range is and in all cases the rate is not necessarily relevant. No matter how much they offer, it doesn't guarantee that you will get paid. I once had to wait almost 60 days just to get $75!! Some people may not even get the $25 or $50 that they're promised. My point about that post is that it is odd that an age was even requested at all. I would bet $200 on the fact that this project is absolutely a nowhere dead end just based on the post itself. It screams wishful thinking which there's nothing wrong with because there's certainly nothing wrong with having ambitions and any potential crewmember has the option to take it or leave it. Unfortunately in my earlier days, I was a victim, more than once, of these types of so called producers and therefore can identify them much easier now by the way that they present their pitch.
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It's illegal to discrimnate based on age so the person who wrote it is an assclown. But if you wanted really good stuff targeted for a youth audience and were going to target a certain age range, perhaps it should have been 23-33. :P
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Hey, the job post said "prominent." There are multiple definitions. One is "widely known, eminent." I agree; they can't be 'up and coming' and 'widely known.'
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Hey guys, that ad is offering to pay $200. Compared to the others who offer credit and footage for your reel, that's pretty darn good.
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How am I lost to the dark side?
This is how I read the ad "work = $200 a day" . That's otay by me. What's wrong with that? Who cares if the project blows? Are you personally invested in it or are you trying to make a living? Yeah, sometimes people take forever to pay. Sometimes, even reputable (or, I should say, established companies). Apparently, that's just the way it is sometimes. Anyway, here's one: Looking for experienced, ambitious Production Assistants to perform 2-3 day contract shoots for a growing national marketing company. Must have reliable transportation. Must have some lighting experience, be able to follow a detailed shot sheet and know how to get around in the Houston area. We provide gas, meal allowance. The Production Assistant rate is $125.00 per day. Send contact information and resume; specify "Houston" in your response. * Job location is Houston * Compensation: $125.00 per day, with gas & meal allowance * This is a contract job. * no -- Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. * no -- Please, no phone calls about this job! * no -- Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. * no -- Reposting this message elsewhere is NOT OK. Now, granted, 125 for a PA isn't awful (at least in Houston), though 150 or 175 is better, and expected, if you have some experience. The part I don't care is that fact that YOU'RE NOT A GODDAMN PA, YOU'RE A DP! P.S. Excuse/asterisk-ize the cussing. P.P.S The company who posted the ad is crozier henderson. Oops. Did I let that out? |
Not sure if this is ridiculous or just pain old unique
Need a mini dv cam HERITAGE POWER SUNDAY Pan Afrikan Nationalism African Security & Survival HIV / AIDS, Bird Flu…. Genocidal Warfare With Xxx Jones The War Correspondent Sunday, December 4, 2005 4:00 pm FREE ADMISSION! The Afrikan Djeli Center this is in or around Atlanta Compensation: Sign Copy of Author, Book & Dinner |
hi gang,
i would like to address an issue, wich is bothering me a lot. off course it could have to do with how serious, and professional, those job offer posters are. please send an e-mail back to the job applicants. straight forward yes or no. let them know that they are not in the loop. greetings |
That doesn't mean anything. Even legit companies or whatever don't always tell you (I would say USUALLY don't bother to tell you) if you haven't been chosen.
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I think this ad is outrageous. He's a Manahttan Orthdontist (read expensive)and expects to pay an ENTIRE crew to shoot and edit a 30 spot on BetaSP or film for $500-$1000! I guess this is for those film students who bought BetaSP or 35mm packages at a "student" rate, right?!
Commercial for Manhattan Orthodontist. Date: 2005-12-07, 1:02PM EST I already posted 2 days ago, but am forced to clarify and narrow the search. If you are not hired, or chooose not to bid, but still need Invisalign, I will give a real discount (not one of those fake ones). Respond if interested in this portion of the listing. (can I post a job, AND advertise?) The spot is now a 30 second spot. Vivacious woman walks down street with two guys admiring. (I have the actors) She turns, bad teeth, guys cringe, then smile at each other. "should have seen DR. ____" then remove their own aligners they have been wearing. The final 10 seconds is of mf my office and me. My street is very quiet traffic in the mid morning- not worried about that issue I need Beta or film High quality, need better than 24P video cam. Looking for crew, photograher, lights, all that stuff, editing. If you are a student, borrow a film camera. Budeget of $500 to $1000. May be too low, but someone with foresight and need to build a rep will be all over it. Rememeber- I need quality better than panasonic 24P- I have seen the samples. |
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So you should do a 4-6 shoot (doesn't even mention editing or compression) to ADVERTISE HIS BUSINESS and you get "credit." I think someone needs to create a blacklist for businesses that don't pay and the shooters who work for them!
Need DP with Own Equip for VERY short shoot soon The details: This is a very short SILENT film clip (<5 minutes) for a website, demo reel and CD business cards. The shots are simple, the storyboard is complete and this is shootable in 4 - 6 hours (may split over two afternoons). Expenses will be covered and your work will be credited. Would need to shoot this sometime between Dec 16 - 20. Flexible within those dates to match your schedule. If interested, send an email with a note that gives me an idea of your experience as well as the specs of the equipment you have (or have access to). |
One of the great questions is why the video and film world is like this? I mean does anyone go to a lawyer and say "Look, it's only a small case, can I pay you a quarter of your usual rate?"
Or a builder. "Well, the extention I want on my house is a lot smaller than the one on the house you did the other week. Can I cut your day rate in half to do mine? Oh and by the way would it be possible for you to cover the cost of all the materials?" I just do not understand it. |
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I want to show the link to their site so bad because you would absolutely laugh your ass off especially after these demands:
"YOU MUST HAVE YOUR DEMO REEL ONLINE OR EMAIL QUICKTIME THROUGH YOUSENDIT DVD REELS ARE NOT ACCEPTED!!!!!!!! ***** Check out XXXX.com for a trailer. Hot in Here DVD is looking for a hot video editor. You will get to edit footage with the hottest hip-hop, r&b and sports stars in the world. You must have your own video editing system (Finalcut Pro preferred) You must know how to export to quicktime and email clips(yousendit.com is ideal) Clips are typically 5-10 minutes long and involve a lot of fast cuts and b-roll. Graphics and color correction is a big plus. Familiarity with Hip-Hop and urban culture a big plus. Email sample links (not actual files) to Compensation: $250+ per clip" |
The toofy doc needs to stick to what he does best and not be yappin' trying to play DP. The fact is that if he wasn't there and wasn't told, he couldn't tell the difference between Beta and DV if it was shot and lit well. 24p is a different story.
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One is supposed to supply camera, light kit, wireless mic AT MIDNIGHT for a NO PAY shoot for someone's demo reel with the promise that it MIGHT lead to paid editing work!
Videography and Photographer needed Videographer and photographer needed to cover 1-3 hrs of a fashion show for one of its make-up artist. Event is on the 16th of December between 12-2AM.Your guest are more than welcomed to come. The footage will be used for her press kit. Videographer will need DV camera with light kit and wireless or lav mic to do 2 or 3 small reaction interviews of MUA work. Photographer will only be needed to capture head on full and close-up shots of models made up by the make-up artist. Students more than welcomed. Travel, food and networking available. No pay. However, if the videographer can edit this will lead into editing work as my reel must be edited and you will definitely be compensated. If interested please respond ASAP. Thank you for reading this post. All the best. |
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Tomorrow I place the ad looking for people with Thomson Viper to shoot for me for free. Aw schucks, they can stay home and just GIVE me the camera as long as they've paid for it. This way they can stay home for free and I'll use the gear! Are people really that STUPID? |
To whoever mentioned why the video/film biz is like this:
It's not just us. I think any artistically based occupation/job has this kinda crap goin' on--website designers, graphic artists, 3D modellers, actors, dancers, whatever. Seems like all the jobs that don't have traditional career paths have this issue (e.g. Lawyers don't - go to law school, pass bar, start out however they start out (no I don't know crap about lawyers), work ass off, make partner--there aren't infinite ways to become a successful lawyer, the way there are to become successful as a filmmaker/videographer/artist). Hence, they tempt (or try to) you with bullshit about "experience, reel building, etc." |
Well said Josh. This profession is one of the few that don't necessarily require a degree to perform services. I think that all this bullshit about how a project will be a great addition to a reel is all about the producer's eago and shows their desperation to get people to work for free or deferment! That is their opinion that it is a great project. I would be more apt to work on a project at a lower rate or possible deferment if there was alot of hands on experience to teach me the right way and fast, than to work for the idea of its content possibly being commerically or critically successful. I didn't sit around and wait for a premium paycheck when I first started in this industry. I did whatever I had to do to get experience to learn as fast as possible so I could move on and get work on better paying projects because I then had the experience. I had a mission, so in a way, I was using the cheap asses. :O Ha ha ha!! So, I don't necessarily get uptight at the very young and/or inexperienced person working for little or nothing because usually the producer will only get what they pay for. The one's that make a career out of nowhere projects are the ones that I wonder about. But sometimes these cheap ass producers will get lucky and get a future Spielberg or Lucas to work on their project and that person will move on to be successful leaving the cheap asses behind. :O Hahahahaha!
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Talk about BLATANT. So they're SELLING the Fitness DVD on Amazon and claim it's doing WELL. They want MORE BROADCAST QUALITY and want you do it for "Credit." "Willing to give credit" such sacrifice and generosity on their part.
VIDEOGRAPHER I AM CURRENTLY SELLING AN INNOVATIVE FITNESS DVD ON AMAZON.COM AND ON MY OWN WEBSITE. I AM SELLING WELL BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RESHOOT IT FOR A MORE BROADCAST QUALITY LOOK. I AM LOOKING FOR THE HELP OF A VIDEOGRAPHER. I WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE CREDIT ON THE DVD. I AM PLANNING TO RUN CABLE ADS, ETC AND GO BIGGER ONCE THE DVD IS RESHOT this is in or around NYC NJ Compensation: CREDIT ON THE DVD |
A Cheap Ass's Reply
This has to be the first time I've seen a cheap ass actually reply to a post and defend themself.
"Atlanta Xxxxx Xxxx Productions is shooting a music video for a new major artist on Sat. Dec. 30th. We need: 4(four) Production Assistants 2(two)Grips This is not a paid shoot!! You would be working this one day for EXPERIENCE ONLY! If you are interested in being a part of this music video then please email me with your contact info and I will get back to you ASAP" ______________________ Crew Supporter "RE: Need P.A.'s for Music Video If this music video shoot is for such a "major artist", then you should have the funds to pay at least a minimum amount to your PA's and grips. FYI - grips will make or break your shoot. So will PA's, but especially grips. Their experience and motivation (or lack thereof) is the difference between an efficient, creative and happy shoot or one which has many problems. In the USA money (pay) = motivation. Pay your crew. Something. You will be glad that you did. From a TV and video production professional with 25 years of experience. Sincerely, Xxxx xxxxxxxxxxx" _____________________ Crew Supporter "MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!" _____________________ Another Crew Supporter - this does happen you know! "It's not that they don't have the money, he's probably pocketing it so he don't have to pay and find some poor eager soul to do the job." _____________________ Another Crew Supporter - obviously hasn't seen this thread "I cant understand why so many people think they can get professional, experienced camera people, photographers, and grips for free or nothing. everyone wants tfp now one wants to pay or if they do they want to pay 10 to 15 per hour. People the professionals that work in this feild need to make a living and are not here to volunteer thier time and talent to make you happy they need to be paid" _______________________ Cheap Ass's Reply "FYI we are a new production company that for the last 4 months have been doing projects for free labor, only charging equipment cost so that we can get our name out, build a diverse reel, and to master our craft. We put non paid to let you know up front, none of us are getting paid either and you can believe it or not, I am the founder of this company and 6 months ago i put an ad up for crew members to build a production team and you know what know i have one that I appreciate very much. We are all striving toward the same goals. Yes we are working with a nice artist, who is not signed but has written for almost every artist in the industry . She responded to my ad for the free videos so that's why she gets the deal. We are putting 100% of our budget toward production quality which is very important to get our product at the top. Now this is the last time I will ever come down to your level to address such a petty matter. This was only to truly represent me and my company if any one of you have any other concerns please call me and i can deal with you one on one. I don't think you would enjoy some one blasting you all over the internet would you. So call me at xxx.xxx.xxxx Otherwise those of you that wise to serve on the crew as a PA or Grip email me or give me a call." |
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