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Ok, I know this post is for a 1 day shoot only, but it brings me to a point.
Grip and Electrics needed for one day music video shoot
Indoor one location, Experienced DP and Director team The band is possibly going to the south by southwest music fest where the video will be played Shooting HD camera. This is a freebie, no pay, but opportunity to work with experienced DP and Director and possibly new contacts for future work * this is in or around Brooklyn * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: credit, copy and appreciation So...here's my inherent problem with postings like this. They advertise off the fact that the band/film/whoever is going to be entered into a festival. Now...let me ask you this....WHO CARES? If I come onto a shoot as a PA/Grip/whatever, the quality of the final product means nothing to me. PA's and such don't have "reels". So, I ask these "brilliant" filmmakers....what good does it do me that your film is going to be submitted to, and probably rejected by, some film festivals? And another thing....what's up lately with everyone promising "contacts for future pay"? That's akin to saying "Hey come work at Burger King for free, and maybe you'll serve a Big Mac to someone who runs a major stock firm, and he'll offer you a job and blah blah blah". And the worst part? I know that someone will take this gig. Someone will take it and make it harder for someone like me to make a paycheck....the standards are lowered. Dear god...what's happened to the movies? |
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I know that this specific post isn't that bad/demanding. However, I haven't seen a good ridiculous post in Craiglist in a day or two, and this one hit on a few points I wanted to make about most Craigslist posts. I'm beginning to look at Craiglist as the "Tijuana" of job boards...only with less hookers. Oh wait...they have a section for that too. Nevermind.
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I think I am going to vomick!! One of the most successful people in the music business and they can't pay a crew to shoot this? Give me a break! I wouldn't be surprised if Snoop didn't even show up and they just used his name to promote this. I wonder why the sponsor dropped out? It's always possible but highly unlikely that they will ever remember who helped them out in this bind. That is one of the most abused tactics used to get free help! They won't even know your name much less your number after it's over.
"Snoop Dogg is hosting his second annual Youth Football Game in Detroit this Saturday. We are in search of a small film crew to shoot this event at minimal to no cost. Sponsor dropped out so we are in a bind. Footage will be sold to major cable network so will receive funds from liscence deal. Percentage to be negotiated. Major exposure and contacts, as well as opportunity to film future Snoop events. Shoot will be for approx 5-7 hours on Friday and 5-8 hrs on Saturday We will pay for hotel Friday and Saturday night. If you are interested please contact xxx.xxx.xxxx" |
Problem is that they KNOW some poor job starved people will answer the ad.
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There seems to be a universal air of sleaze and sketchiness surrounding the whole rap music thing.
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I saw a special on VH1 last night called Sexploitation about the video girls in these Rap/Hip Hop videos getting screwed literally and out of pay. Sometimes they know the terms and they do it anyway. There were a few that have spoken out about how bad they get treated, good for them! The worst were for BET Uncut. That stuff is absolute worthless crap and is filthy as hell. I can't believe the FCC much less CBS allows that to air even if it is late at night! It's worse than Howard Stern.
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Whoa whoa whoa. . .wait a minute, you're saying women are being abused in the rap music industry? Well, son of a bitch, who'd a thunk it?
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I smell a reality check coming
Ent. Firm Seeks: CREW (and Post) for various shoots
Reply to: gigs-130564984@craigslist.org Date: 2006-02-02, 2:40AM EST We're shooting/producing various music videos, movie shorts, tv pilots, commercials, etc. Mostly low budgets with high production value and marketing. Seeking additional persons to join our present team, but on a Part-time basis. Seeking: PRODUCER AD DP GAFFER KEY GRIP PM PD CAM AC STUNTS MAKEUP STORYBOARD ARTIST BOOM OP DRIVER CHOREOGRAPHER PAs EDITOR COMPOSITOR/FX MUSIC ENGINEER MUSIC PRODUCERS & VOCALISTS, MUSICIANS, ETC PROMOTERS Depending on your crew position, experience, skills, etc, positions pay between $40 to $200 per day. Our days can run between 6 and 12 hours, depending on various business/creative and "environmental" variables. Email us now, as we're setting up interviews! Use the following subject line data, as a guideline of what info to summarize/put in the SUBJECT LINE of your email: DP, with HD Cam, $90/day, Works with ABC, BA Degree, Award winner, 212-111-1111... In other words, let the subject line give a quick summary of the position you seek, main equip you own, how much you want per day, Name/s of biggest projects/Celebs, phone.... Once you've typed in the relevant summarized details in your subject line, proceed to type a message to us and attach any relevant files as desired. Most of our gigs are in New York/NJ, but some are in South America, Europe, etc, when we'll cover hotel, travel, and pay you a fee. I like how they think 90 a day is a good rate for a DP with HD Cam. I like how they think 200 a day is a good rate for a DP with HC Cam. When they say HD Cam, do you think they mean the new HDV/P2 stuff? Or the real thing, as in "my cam cost between $90-150,000"? By the way. . .shouldn't rates in different cities have something to do with the standard of living? $200 a day goes a lot farther in a city like Houston where one can get a decent (albeit) small apartment in a decent area for $500 a month, vs a city like NY where one can't even get a HALF a decent apartment for that amount. |
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Looking for reliable and talented DP to shoot and edit two very low budget documentaries for own cable show - 10 minutes and 30 minutes - in NYC. Film students are encouraged to apply. Need someone who owns or has access to video camera (mini DV), audio equipment and can edit footage. Please email with details of your experience, links to your previous work (e.g. video-samples) and type of equipment. Previous experience necessary. A flexible schedule is also necessary as shooting may be done over one day, a few days or even a few weeks. Serious inquiries only.
* Compensation: Credit, Copy of completed doc's, food and transport included So...let's get this straight. 1. You have to be reliable and talented. 2. You can be a film student, but you have to have experience. 3. Bring your own camera (of course) 4. Bring your own audio equipment (of course) 5. Edit the damn thing too, while you're at it. Geez...why not just give the damn DP credit as the director, while we're at it? 6. You must be constantly available, at the director's whim. 7. And, of course.....serious inquiries only. So then, I have a question for the thread. With hacks like this guy roaming the industry, it's near impossible to get a steadily paying gig. I just got canned from not one, but two jobs within two weeks, both for the same reason (producer has a friend that they want to bring in). How do we all manage to get by? Because it sure isn't with any help from these clowns. |
Maybe we can take the term "The Suck" from the marine corps and use it for this industry.
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"CREW CALL: DP & Sound Mixer Needed for 3 Spot TV Campaign
Los Angeles Director/Editor looking for local DP and/or Camera Operator with own 24p or Hi Def Camera. Also, looking for Sound Mixer with own equipment, including a boom and lav. I am looking to build a relationship with a solid team here in xxxxxx. DP/Cam Op must have broadcast experience with good-looking reel. Sound Mixer must provide examples of sound recorded on location. This first project will be pro bono, but it should garner a good deal of attention, receive decent to major air play, and open doors for future opportunities. Both DP/Camera Op and Sound Mixer should be proficient in capturing man on the street/on-the-go footage if needed. Email me your online reel (if available) and I will get back to you with my portfolio and more details." So what does this translate to? :) |
Pro bono = a pro getting boned. Hahahahahhahahahahahah I kill me. OK, that was terrible.
"Production assistant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: sandy_directions@mindspring.com Date: 2006-02-06, 11:13AM EST Need a production assistant for a 4-5 month gig. PBS kids show. Must have drivers license. Professional experience necessary. this is in or around Long Island no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Compensation: $8 per hour" |
Production Assistant - New Listing!
Location: Chatsworth, California United States Date Posted: 02/06/2006 Good Communications Skills Computer Literate No Experience Necessary. med/dental Benefits 12 Per An Hour. A PA position that not only pays, but has dental and medical benefits? It gets even better, because this is for adult productions... Sad, isn't it? |
Pro boner?
sorry. Anyway, I don't why, exactly, but this just seems like bullshit: "calling camera crew/videographers/filmakers/lights/boom operators Reply to: illbeyourplaydate@yahoo.com Date: 2006-02-07, 3:45PM EST cross country celebrity services need 2 hire two more good people armed with cameras to make a dvd of a event this thursday feb9th at bluardesia/redardesia..there will be live music and video interviews all to plug the new tv show real icon.. those who fill out our applicatio can be hired as crew for several of our upcoming projects! the pay is awesome!!! 242 sunrise hwy rockville cetre new york for directions call516-594-2977 there will also be a prize for whoever films the artists o stage most glamorously!! goodie bags brought to you by "house of haute coiture" * this is in or around rockville centre newyork * yes -- it's ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: 500 to 3,000 for rough draft copy of an hours worth of filming of live event ...thousands daily for new film project " |
So here's what's gonna happen. 47 people show up with 3 chip cameras, a few have Z1 HDV cameras and 2 even show up with Panasonic HVX200. Some unfortunate person gets to take home with 47 tapes all shot in different and conspicuously unmatching modes, that's the prize for most glamourous shooting, and do a rough cut. He takes the camera masters and the rough cut and each of you gets $10.63 each or $63.82 each for the night's work if he loves the rough cut and uses it.
"thousands daily" are the number of camera people who'll show up for his 1286 camera shoot for the music video. Quote:
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Yeah, something like that. But on the other hand, with those 1286 different angles, the possibilities for editing are endless.
I think we all know by now that any steady gig paying real money isn't gonna post on craigslist. That's what production managers/coordinators/UPMs are for. Anyway, I know I've said "best one ever" before, but seriously, this really IS the best one ever. Or worst one. You decide: "Any guys with DV camera can shoot porn for free? Reply to: gigs-132017239@craigslist.org Date: 2006-02-07, 4:28PM EST All of my money is going into paying the girls for the shoot. I need a guy who is free this Friday night to shoot a porn scene on the upper west side. I can't afford to pay you but you will be able to hang with some porn stars and shoot. Must have a DV camera and must be the kind and respectable type. If you can do it this Friday night get back tome with the word "SHOOTER" in your subject line. Hope to hear from you. * this is in or around New York, NY * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: none - sorry " The should start calling it Dregslist. Hahahahhaha! I kill me. |
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I was just about to post this. You beat me to it! BTW, I have gotten gigs on craigslist for $50-$75/hr. |
Yeah, I've pulled at least one good. I take it back. Sometime's there's good stuff. It's 80% unpaid or underpaid crap, though. I think that's a fair assessment.
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Okay, I like this one just 'cause there's absolutely no effort to convince you that you should even be there. Not even the porn guy I recently posted put in. None. It's almost like they don't care.
"Grips Helpers Crew Reply to: jftphoto@yahoo.com Date: 2006-02-07, 10:19PM EST Crew Grips Helpers: mature 21 and over clean reliable punctual. to help with carry and look after equiptment and be part of a film. you will get copy of film and credits. send picture and info to jftphoto@yahoo.com * yes -- it's ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: Credits & Demo " |
This one's pretty funny
This is, by no means, a terrible job offer. It's actually a pretty sweet one. But check out that last line on "Compensation" for a good laugh.
Non-union, national spot in need of 2 good set PA's on February 13 & 14, 2006. Please have a phone, a car and a good attitude. This is not a bitch gig, we don't pay people this kind of money to get coffee. Nor is it intense manual labor. You must be early, the director/producer is serious about starting on time. Please respond ASAP with a brief cover letter and a solid resume. Office work an option for the right person after shoot (Freelance at $150/day). * this is in or around Hollywood * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: $200/day + meals + "amazing industry contacts" (you jokers, pay your PA's) |
This is hilarious...
We are looking for a very proficient Editor (Avid) who can also operate a DVX-100 camera. You will also have the opportunity to Produce and Direct. Creativity and knowledge of AVID Xpres DV is more important than editing speed. Sound correction and After Effects experience would be great too. We're going to begin shooting in High Def. soon using the new Panasonic HVX200, so you'll learn that as well. Our show begins airing nationally in 10 million homes in July. After 90 days a significant raise is very possible. You will be the first hire for our first national season, so you truly are on the ground floor. Moving "up the ladder" will be easy for the right person--- because we don't really have a ladder yet. We own all of our own equipment (except a ladder of course) and even a nice studio with green screens. The Executive Producer can be tough to work for at times, so if you have a thin skin please don't apply. He is also extremely sharp and talented, so you might learn a th ing or one hundred. We know the starting salary isn't huge, so we don't need any whiney-bitchy little e-mails telling us that. Occasionally, our dogs stop by the studio to visit, so if you are an animal hater or have some silly aversion, again, don’t apply. We shoot a lot of Vegas nightlife, so if you have a significant other with some jealously problems it's best to put him/her/it in check before applying. We'll need you fairly soon.
Tell us about your experience and education. Thanks. Job location is Vegas Compensation: $1850 per month to start -----Are there enough stipulations there for $462 a week? |
I'm scared:
"French Maid TV seeks Production Crew w/ Oil Well Experience Reply to: gigs-132489723@craigslist.org Date: 2006-02-09, 8:54AM CST French Maid TV is looking for a video production crew that has Oil Well experience. Please reply with resume or credits, a link to some of your work and your rate. * this is in or around Houston * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: Your Rate. " |
How many mispellings do you count?
I'm surprised these guys spelled "DVD" right
Local Production Company looking for talented Skiers and Snowboarders needed for film. In exchange for preforming on camera. A sponcer DVD can be made for each rider that pertiscaptes. Contact: 206 276 8694 brianwgavin@yahoo.com Job location is Moutains Compensation: Transportation and Profecinally Edited Sponcer DVD |
Maybe it's the lingo?
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Grammar
For better or worse, we're in the age of DV and DVD. Every joker that watches a documentary on how "Memento" was made thinks that he/she can rustle up 20 dollars and make a short film on DV. If anyone gets a chance, I recommend buying the book "America - The Book" that "The Daily Show" put out last Christmas. There's a great joke made at the expense of indie filmmakers. It's set up as a diagram of how a political rally is held, with descriptions next to everyone whose involved. Next to the kid whose filming it, it says something like "Usually 23, film student, shoots on digital video because like, you can totally make a whole movie for like, 2000 dollars, and it doesn't look like shit it looks like a real movie, I swear".
On a side note, am I the only one who gets a chuckle out of these wannabe's who promise that their short/feature will be the greatest thing since oral sex, yet their ad typically looks like this.... "12 minute a short movie loocing for crue to work. my moview will be versy tense and psycahozlogical so this zwil look greate 4 ur reel. sry i kant affrd to pay any1. send resumes and reels. seriouz inquiries onlyz. 2. " |
I thought I had seen it all. Now they are casting shooters based on looks. How much do you want to bet that old Joe is one cheap ass son of a bitch!? If so, it's probably because of the retainers paid to his lawyers for all of those suites that have been filed against him. A while back, those pathetic bastards started calling people on the phone trying to sell their porn. They called me several times and I let them have it seriously threating them. What if my 6 year old daughter had answered the phone? They said, we would have asked for an adult. Sick bastards!! Can you believe that sh!t? I would like to punch that son of a bitch square in the mouth!!!!
"We are looking for both guys and girls to train in preparation for Spring Break 2006. Applicants will need to have the ability to operate a Canon video camera and have appeal to the opposite sex. Girls will be shooting for our series "Guys Gone Wild" where young guys around the country do outrageous things to impress girls round the globe. Guys, well you know what GGW is…..we need young attractive guys to take GGW to the next level. If you think you have what it takes to live like a rock star, and live the dream job of a GGW cameraman, enclose a resume and some photos to be reviewed by our casting director." |
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Wow. A whole $50 dollars? You do realize it will take maybe $10,000 in equipment to do this shoot properly right? And a good 10 hours or so of shooting and 20-30 hours of post production? And there's also experience. Or maybe that's not important for you guys. This was their response: What? Do I know you? Please stop waisting my time and yours writing ridiculous, belittling emails like that.... You have waaay too much time on your hands buddy. Just so you know I got over 20 responses to that one ad, 2 including offers to do reality TV shows and here you are writing me a dumb email trying to make yourself feel better about your pathetic life. Good luck b/c your going to need it and don't bother writing back b/c I will just delete it. Watch out for us on A&E! TaTa Damn A&E. I should have taken the gig. :) |
Hey, fellow Houstonian!
I remember that ad. I thought maybe I posted it. Apparently not. |
Fresnel, at least the Houston area's cheap asses are more creative than our Atlanta cheap asses. Your free jobs seem to be more creative and diverse, they think big. Way to go letting her have it like that. Apparently they haven't read that or other boards to see that there are hundreds of reality shows that are pitched and piloted only to never see the light of day or get immediately cancelled. Apparently she thinks that because someone just mentions it that it is going to happen. Tell her to be sure and send you a copy!
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A Freedom Fighter
I saw this one on the Houston board too and I just had to post it!
"I need help preferable a camera man with experience and professional equipment for which he paid tons of money. Also I will pay you with nothing but some snacks, but hey you can put it in your resume. I will also make you work your ass off but I will give you a BIG thank you at the end so you can feel good for giving away your work. If that wasn’t enough I will recommend you to all my friends by telling them that you work for free. If you are willing to work for more than 12hrs straight I might just give you a soda. As I mentioned before in order to apply for the position I will need to see a demo, your resume, and also a list of the equipment that you own, so I can make a decision on what equipment I want you to bring. Since I am giving you the opportunity to work for me (for free) I expect you to work very hard. Oh yea if you can’t record in HD need no to apply. Yes!! That is how you sound when you ask for free camera operators. By working for free the value of our work as camera man ends up damaging everybody and you too because when you get ready to make money out of your profession you aren’t going to find anyone to hire you since they can get it for free. And cameras aren’t getting any cheaper." |
Oops! Sorry. Missed my credit in that other post. My bad.
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Hi Josh and James. You guys are the inspiration behind what I did...
My previous Update gives you the response that cabaret had to an email I sent from a dummy account. Out of curiousity, I actually applied for the job using my company email address, to give it a weight of credibility. As it turns out, no credibility was really needed. Transcript as follows: Thank you for your interest in videoing for The Houston Vixens. Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. We have been extremely busy with All Star weekend and upcoming photo shoots and bookings. Due to the over whelming response we are going to review all resumes and portfolios before interviewing. At this time we need resumes and portfolios or any former video editing that can be downloaded and e-mailed to us. You can also mail to the adddress below. Please have those items e-mailed/mailed as well as contact info to us by Feb 10 next Friday. We will contact those who will be interviewed by Monday Feb 13. Mistake: Lydia, instead of using BCC or something like that, decided to just address all of us interested applicants directly. So now I have all of my competition's email. I'm not going to post them but I see plenty of "@aol" accounts. I half debated whether I should send an email to these people or not. I'm dying of curiousity to be at those interviews (but I didn't send in anything). I'd like to believe that everybody on the list was just yanking the cabaret's chain, but I'm afraid not. I guess there are some people desperate enough to do anything for peanuts and exposure. This is what keeps the freeloaders coming back. |
I did a lot of free/underpaid stuff in the first year and a half or so with the camera. Not so much now. Maybe it's people like that.
Back then, though, even though I knew it was for no pay and stuff, I still sorta believed the BS, 'cause I didn't realize that anyone in the world can just say "I'm making a movie/reality show". I felt special. Live and learn. On the other hand, maybe a lot of these posters are naive fools who don't know how much these services/gear actually cost, normally. Come on, we were all there once. |
Yeah I agree that new people have to start some where. I did my share of free and low pay stuff too.
What really irks me about this particular job offer is that this client obviously has money and I would daresay large money. They are fully expecting something brilliant and well put together relying solely on the promise of exposure. That fifty bucks is almost gas money (but not at today's prices). Maybe a DV tape or two. |
Would it be out of line to show up with camera in hand, and charge them $50 a tape? Chances are, they won't have their own...
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