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Yup! It's a good clue as to whether they're ripoffs as opposed to newbies.
One thing I do is check to see if they have a web page. If they use an email address with the name after @ I go check it out. You'll learn a lot about them that way and get a sense where they're coming from. You'll note when I post here sometimes I include a link to their web page in my assessment. Ripoffs either don't list a web page or are too dumb to realize you can look after @ in the email address and see it. On the other hand some ripoffs include the webpage in the ad thinking you'll be so impressed you'll be dumb enough to work for nothing. Quote:
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I assume you are referring to their custom domain name if they use it for their contact e-mail. Another way to see how established they are by using that domain name is to do a Who Is look up for that domain and see when it was registered. If it was in the last month or so, they are more than likely, but not always, as green as a frog.
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Hey, youse guys--
Many of you speak of the unpaid time you spend on a project, meeting with clients, paperwork, etc. Now, pro DPs get paid for scouting, meetings, etc., so why shouldn't you? It seems like you should include that in your rate, or have a certain amount charged for "miscellaneous time spent on a project," or something. Cause after all, you ARE working. |
Sometimes the meeting or email is the sales pitch. If the meeting is actually preproduction on an agreed project, yes you can consider charging. The other is to consider how much planing is involved and charge accordingly. That's what I do which is why there's some variance in my hourly rate. It seems clients feel they're getting good customer service when they don't see meeting time / consulting fees on the bill. They're actually paying for it by a higher hourly rate or higher package price though. Neither is right. It's whatever you can get to work to bring you the dollars.
The thing is one does have to think about planing time when it comes to "ridiculous" job offers. That's why I never "buy" the it's "only an hour shoot" people. It can be an hour shoot with an hour of discussion followed by an hour set up. I've seen people say, "you gotta go to our 3 rehearsals first." My response is "you gotta pay for that time." Quote:
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Well this is a Ridiculous job seeker. He has a couple of NLE (including MOJO box and MBox) and whole bunch of ancillary software. He's in NYC and his offering $25/hr. He has TWO DSR300s. His base rate is $400 for a day for shooting. This is why rates keep dropping! BTW he put this in an area where one has to pay ($25) to offer hiring others when it could have / should have gone in the area where one can post services offered (free of charge)
Video Editor / Shooter - Freelance Available Reply to: job-155480694@craigslist.org Date: 2006-04-28, 12:07PM EDT I freelance so I can select interesting work where creativity is most important! I work on my own systems including: Latest Final Cut Studio (FCP, Motion, DVD Pro, etc...) Avid Express Pro HD 5.x w/Mojo, Avid FX Premier 6.5 After Effects Vegas 6 Acid DVD Architect Sound Forge Adobe Audition MBox w/Pro Tools Other nifty stuff. If you like to create fine work with an artistic flare then we're on the same road. Very reasonable Rates. Will shoot also depending on location. Have (2) Sony DSR-300's, Full Lowel Light Kit, Wireless, Boom mics, Walkie Talkies and other necessities. I'm available on weekends and sometimes evenings. Let's discuss your project plans! I have high speed Internet and can often work remotely as well. Long Island and Manhattan super! The better your project the better my rates! Compensation: Editing is generally $25 per hour / Shoots $400 per day and up but also negotiable |
James has been falling down on the job lately. Guess I will pick up the Atlanta slack... ;)
------------- Entertainment Company seeks Free Lance Video Cameraman/Woman who has their own equipment.... (Camera, 3 Chip Mini DV Aceptable, Shotgun Mic & Light as needed. Call 404-925-2727 ASAP!!!! First shoot is 5/1/06. Pay is Per Day. Positions available for both local sessions and national touring. Expenses paid for touring Videographer’s. Part Time and Full Time available. Job location is Atlanta, GA and or Nationwide. Compensation: $10.00 Per Hour Minimum. Most shoots are 8 hours daily. Both part-time and full-time positions available. Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. Phone calls about this job are ok. Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. Reposting this message elsewhere is OK. Compensation: Compensation: $10.00 Per Hour Minimum. Most shoots are 8 hours daily yes -- Reposting this message elsewhere is OK. ------------------ "We pay you a starting rate of $80 a day to rent both you and your full kit." BTW, the local rate for a 3chip pro camera is about $200/d through a rental house. |
George, chill. . .10 dollars is their MINIMUM. So you just tell them you want $125 an hour, or whatever. See? It's fine.
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This person must be looking for a Siamese twin since he needs a one man team. LMAO!!
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You also need attenuators. That LAVA lear mike is probably real hot.
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No offense, but I've done stuff like that as a one man band. It sucks, to be sure, but I've done it and been paid well for it. Ok, fine, I didn't actually interview her, but I set up a lav on her, and she read off a teleprompter attached to the cam. I still had to light her, though. Anyway, that's how some production companies work. Even real, legit ones. They just don't wanna splurge for that extra guy.
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Josh, the only reason I posted that was because it said one man team.
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Oh. My bad. I take it all back.
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I don't see a problem with that, it's just a one on one interview. How many people do you need to do this?
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He's saying the grammar amused him, not the ad it self. One man TEAM, you see. Not one man band. It got me too. Oh, and he liked "Lava lear," or whatever.
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It's no worse than the "Army of one" campaign the Army is using. Of course, I was an Army of one, and they called me an individual. I thought it was a good thing, but that isn't the way they made it sound. They implied it was a bad thing.
Anyways, I don't really see anything wrong with the term one man team, or one man crew, etc. If I was a woman, maybe... |
. . .and the next flame war begins. . .
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What flame war? I ain't flaming nobody... really!
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Straighten up Josh or we will put that Lava mic on your skin ;)
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Here's another one for you Georgians...
Production Jobs > USA Georgia > View Job Details Vacancy: Freelance Crew Employer: ConcertAudio, Inc Location: Atlanta Duration: Summertime, starts May 15, 2006 Looking for freelance/contractors for loadin/loadout of staging, roof structures, audio, and lighting for festivals/concerts in the Atlanta area. Loadin/loadout in same day the pay is $150. Loadin then loadout in separate days will be $200. Crew should have own transportation, arrive sober and ready to work. Web: http://www.concertaudio.com And they want you to arrive sober? Does this mean there will be plenty when you get there? Yeah, I know that was weak... |
Keith it just sounds like they've worked with GA folks like me before...
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Sounds like when I was doing some day labor years ago. I was on a jobsite, and the contractor was standing nearby complaining about the "Rent-a-drunks", when he turned and saw me. I said "I'm a rent-a-druggie, get it right!"
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Is that pay really that bad for that type of work?
Here's this: "Vacancy: Camera Operator & FCP Editors Employer: XCW Professional Wrestling Location: Denton, Texas NEW: [view map] Duration: A weekly PPV program, starts May 11 2006 Payment is on a lo/no/deferred basis. A independent pro wrestling organization located in Denton, Texas; XCW is currently making multi camera PPV programs for ON DEMAND. Camera Operators are needed for Friday evenings 7:30 until roughly 11:30 (give or take 30 mins.) Production is live-to-tape and shot in front of a crowd. Camera operators will need to be in shape and able to carry a 10 pound camera around ring side. Stationary Camera positions are available as well. NO PAY, BUT Great learning experience and conversation piece on any resume tape. Final Cut Pro editors may also apply. XCW is captured of Friday nights and edited over the weekend. Operator will have access to a G5 with FCP, Motion, Photoshop, Livetype, Digital Juices, and a Audio Library. Basic skills required with a great potential to learn more difficult editing techniques. Apply to: Gus Phillips" Somebody's gettn' paid, but it ain't you! |
I think Denton is where the VonErich family is from. Father Fritz used to wrestle in the 50's, then his sons Kerry, David, and Kevin used to wrestle in the 70's and 80's. I'd do it! And you said something about pay too?
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I said you WEREN'T getting paid, but the show is for pay-per-view, so someone is.
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Yeah... I'd still do it.
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Well, I hope you're happy. You've just invited the wrath of James Emory.
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yada, yada, and blah blah blah ;)
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And now you've "enwrathed" Craig Seeman. You're on your own, bud.
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Hey... after the day I've had today, I don't care who's wrath I've incurred. I'm a tickin time bomb, just waiting to go off!
We needed to move, and found a house in a great location. The owner said he needed us to move in tomorrow, which meant we needed to rush the closing on our house. We were set to close at 4 today, and had the movers coming tomorrow. 9:30 this morning, I call the owner, and he informs me he rented it last night to someone else. So now we have nowhere to go. You want to talk about wrath? |
Well your would be new landlord probably found out that you're willing to work for nothing shooting wrestling matches. He probably didn't think you were a good candidate to make the rent payment every month.
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Actually, I would shoot wrestling free, because I used to enjoy watching it, until WCW went under. My Dad was a Pro/Am wrestler in the 50's, and I grew up watching it with him.
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Sounds like something you'd enjoy doing for a LIVING. World Wrestling Entertainment in Stamford, CT pays people every well to shoot and edit wrestling. They have a bunch of job openings on HotJobs.
The pro wrestlers . . . they get paid too. My dad loves to draw pictures. Did so as a kid and as an adult. He got paid as an animator for Rocky and Bullwinkle. Don't think he would have housed and fed his family if he weren't getting paid. I'd rather get PAID for doing a job I love than a job I dislike. That's why I work in video. I honestly don't know if my landlord loves being a landlord. I have to pay him though. Quote:
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I've done a ton of those "low pay" club shoots. If it's a nice place and good music, it still isn't a bad night. If the place is a dive, and the band sucks... But low paying jobs are ok when you don't have a decent gig lined up. Learning to operate on the fly in the field is a great learning experience, and fluff for the resume. And the stories... hehehe ;)
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That is absolute bullshit using the word paid and non-paid in the same post. This is a pay per view event but......you're not gettin' paid. Another thing that is interesting is how these types always speak of the event as if it is fully staffed, we will have this or that available and yet they don't even have a crew! |
$100-$200 for a 10 hour day for a small crew for a healthcare training video in NYC. That doesn't even cover the cost of the RENTAL (use of gear) for a Sony VX-2100!
Seeking Crew for Healthcare Video Reply to: gigs-158338937@craigslist.org Date: 2006-05-07, 9:20AM EDT Small crew sought for non-profit language training video for healthcare workers. Shoot is scheduled for 5/19 but could change to fit around the right DP's schedule. Scenes will involve interactions between doctors and patients in a simple office setting. As these scenes are brief, the shoot should not last more than 8-10 hours. Students welcome. Must be flexible and willing to wear a number of hats. Please send resume, along with note detailing availability and access to camera and lighting equipment, if any (additional compensation available for providing equipment). this is in or around Manhattan no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Compensation: $100-$200 per day |
Ah, Craiglist. The epicenter of all things heinous.
"Sedona" - Major Network Reality Series: Seeking Camera Operator
Reply to: gigs-158496474@craigslist.org Date: 2006-05-07, 7:38PM EDT RESUMES ACCEPTED BY WAY OF EMAIL ONLY: NY13Promotions@aol.com "Sedona" - New Reality Television "Docu-Series" Opportunity SEEKING: To assemble a crew, with novice to advanced technichal knowledge, (consisting of Filmakers, Digital/Betacam Camera Operators, and independent Cinematographers of all kinds) interested in pursuing an opportunity, in filming a reality/documentry PILOT, actually filmed on location in Sedona Arizona. Upon completion this intense and fascinating journey, to one of the quintessential wonders of the earth, will be immediatley presented to major networks, by way of a highly repuatble and experienced public relations media consultant. No Pay, MAJOR Exposure / opportunity to be part of a project, which has an outlet to present marketable material to major industry professionals. As the camera operator acts as part of this documented journey. INDEPENDENT FILM MAKERS encouraged to respond. What Is the "Sedona" series concept? Scientists have aknowledged for some time now, that mystery of Sedona Arizona is indeed very real. This location is refered to as a natural "energy vortex" of our earth. A vortex can be described as an enhanced energy location existing in real time. They are neither electric nor magnetic, yet its evidence its undeniable, as experienced the millions who visit from all over the world. Recently the PBS program Nova, featured a breakthrough in physics called "String Theory" that is revolutionizing all of science, in the same way Einstein's discoveries had in the early 1900's. The key concept of super-string, agreed upon by the world's top scientists, is that all things exist in a minimum of 10 or more dimensions. Simply stated Vortex sites are locations having energy flows into those deeper dimensions. Travel Fee's would not be covered, as this notice is an attempt to gather all interested parties, interested in participating in a fascinating and transformational experience, with major public relations backing. This Project will potentially lead to a major Money Making Opportunity. E-mail all Resumes and Technical Experience to: NY13Promotions@aol.com So. First they mislead you by claiming to be a "Major Network" reality series, when in "reality", it's just a spec pilot they're gonna pitch when it's done. THEN, they inform you that they will not cover any travel expenses. Thoughts, anyone? My jaw's still on the floor. |
And you KNOW how often these spec pilots get picked up! Why wouldn't you take it?
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Not sure. Must be that whole "pride" thing.
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Ok, but seriously, has a spec pilot ever been picked up?
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