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Charley Gallagher
February 20th, 2005, 10:34 AM
I know this is something that I am doing but I can't seem to find "Media Pool". It does not come up in a window at the bottom of the screen where it usually is positioned.

I can open and close all the other windows but when I click to view "Media Pool" I see no changes on screen. However music from the timeline starts to play.

Has anyone had this happen to them? The worst thing is that I can open any of my projects and they seem to keep the format that I last used when editing. This means as I try various ways to bring back media pool each time I open a different project media pool remains missing.

Very frustrating.

Gary Kleiner
February 20th, 2005, 12:29 PM
You've just docked it somewhere and just needn to shuffle a few windows until you uncover it.

Also try Alt/5.

Gary

Charley Gallagher
February 20th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Thanks, Gary, but I suspect it is a bit more than that.

For one thing I went to View and unchecked every item. I would suspect that then when I clicked alt-5 Media Pool should appear it doesnt. However, music starts to play the way it does if you select an item in media pool. If hit enter it adds the sound clip.

Toggling with alt-5 shows no difference on the screen.

Patrick King
February 20th, 2005, 01:13 PM
I had this happen once when I undocked a window and parked it in the lower right corner of the screen and then subsequently change my screen resolution to work with another program. Next time I launched Vegas I couldn't find my window (audio meter if I recall). Have you changed screen resolution lately?

Charley Gallagher
February 20th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Patrick,

I haven't made any changes but I went to the highest resolution to see if that was the problem. I am running two monitors and I have put media pool on one monitor just by iteslf in the past but not lately. I thought perhaps it was lost on another window.

In Premiere you can save you desktop setting. I think you can on here but I have not utilized that unless I did it when using Vegas Training Tapes. If there is a default setting somewhere it would work for me.

Derek Serra
February 20th, 2005, 01:33 PM
You need the Cineform plug-in, which also exports M2V files back to your camera/deck.

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Charley, I would try two things:

First, Press ALT-D, release, and then press 1. This will hopefully bring everything back to normal. If it does not, exit Vegas, hold down CTRL-SHIFT, and start Vegas. This will reset EVERYTHING back to default (including any settings you have changed in Options - Preferences).

Charley Gallagher
February 20th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Now there are a couple commands I hope I never need again!

Thanks so much, Ed. the Alt-D,1 think did the trick. I will print out your reply in case it happens again in the future. I managed to miss a lot of editing today trying to chase down that problem.

Emre Safak
February 20th, 2005, 02:31 PM
I encoded an 8 second clip using various settings, and found at that the quality was more or less the same at the high bit rates I was interested in (around 6 Mbps.) The encoding times are:

Saving to the same hard disk:
Mainconcept
Good: 67s
Best: 68s
Procoder
High Speed: 28s
High Quality: 29s
Highest Quality: 42s
Mastering Quality: 42s

Saving to another hard disk:
Mainconcept
Good: 68s
Best: 69s
Procoder
High Speed: 28s
High Quality: 29s
Highest Quality: 35s


Using a one-pass VBR setting with an average bit rate of 6 Mbps I ended up with Mainconcept encodes of about 6.6 MB (~6.4 Mbps) and Procoder encodes of 5.2 MB (~5 Mbps).

Conclusion: MainConcept better approached the target bit rate, but took much longer.

Emre Safak
February 20th, 2005, 03:37 PM
I just frameserved the whole video to Procoder, which encoded it to another hard disk at High Quality in 52 minutes (vs. ~85 for the DV route.)

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Vegas 5 allows saving up to 10 different screen layouts and easily recall them. ALT-D, 1 simply "recalls" the first layout. Glad that it worked to reset your screen.

Tim Kay
February 20th, 2005, 04:35 PM
So i get to the end of my video clips and theres no more video frames yet the cursor keeps on going, having a good ole time. Is there a button or setting so vegas will stop the cursor at the last frame of video, without me having to highlight the clip?

THanks

Tony Rockliff
February 20th, 2005, 05:13 PM
I just had to do something similar yesterday to solve a slight visual jitter problem occuring in just one section of a 90 minute project that was occuring whenever I used the MainConcept encoder, even at 2 pass encoding (it occured after fading in after a mid-title section).

So I frameserved to the TMPGEnc encoder (which is known to be slower then the MainConcept one) and that solved the jitter problem.

The MainConcept encoder encoded at 1.33:1 and the TMPGEnc encoder encoded at 2:1 (both using 1 pass as it was a draft review copy). It was worth the extra time to get the problem fixed.

Glenn Gipson
February 20th, 2005, 05:47 PM
How can I import one project into another project? I was looking to edit and save each of my scenes for my movie individually, so that I can assemble them together later. Can this be done? Thanks.

Gary Kleiner
February 20th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Open two instances of Vegas and copy from one, then paste into the other. You could also render each segment and assemble those in another project.

Gary

Glenn Gipson
February 20th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Thanks, that worked like a charm.

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 07:41 PM
In most cases, playback will stop a few seconds after the last clip on the timeline. However, I have seen cases where it just keeps on going. You can always just press the space bar or enter to stop the playback.

Tim Kay
February 20th, 2005, 08:32 PM
Nope, this one doesn't stop it just keeps on going like the energizer bunny. I guess i could "just" press the space bar but i'm trying to be really lazy/efficent and see if the cursor would stop automaticly so it doesn't keep moving the time line to a new screen


<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : In most cases, playback will stop a few seconds after the last clip on the timeline. However, I have seen cases where it just keeps on going. You can always just press the space bar or enter to stop the playback. -->>>

Edward Troxel
February 20th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Here's a hint: Start playback, click somewhere on the timeline or just slightly move the timeline. Now the timeline will continue to play but the screen will never be updated until you pause playback!

:-)

Scott Brickert
February 21st, 2005, 12:12 AM
Thanks Glenn, very subtle work.

I liked the highlight across the drummer's shirt , creating contrast between the subject and background using cool vs warm, and enhancing the lighting. Excellent.

Scott

Glenn Gipson
February 21st, 2005, 10:22 AM
When I play my clips in the Trimmer Bin, they play fine, but when I play SOME of my clips on the time line, they have this ghostly lagging effect to them. By the way, I shot in 24pA mode with the DVX100A. What could I be doing wrong here? Why are some clips playing smoothly, and som aren't?

Glenn Gipson
February 21st, 2005, 10:24 AM
Hmmm...now the problem is gone...but why could this be happening SOMETIMES?

Peter Battaglia
February 21st, 2005, 11:15 AM
I've created a basketball video with stills that fly in and out as the video plays. My question. Is there an easy to use transition to make the still picture bounce in and bounce out. I have tried the "Wax Bouncing Ball" transition but having alot of problem getting it to work eg. crashes Vegas. Any other transitions out there where I can do this or is it easier to work within the track motion and manually produce this?
Thanks in advance.

Emre Safak
February 21st, 2005, 01:55 PM
Why does my audio surge ahead noticably when using these drivers, compared with DirectShow? I thought the idea was to achieve zero latency.

Emre Safak
February 21st, 2005, 02:01 PM
It could be the preview quality. If it is set too high, the computer might not be able to keep up. I always edit in "Draft" mode.

Peter Battaglia
February 21st, 2005, 07:10 PM
Never mind

Found a great Bouncing Ball Transition at:

http://mikecrash.wz.cz/

Edward Troxel
February 21st, 2005, 08:07 PM
Forgot about that one. I was thinking maybe Adorage but nothing in that package was really coming to mind.

Peter Jefferson
February 22nd, 2005, 04:32 AM
not really zero.. more like anythign between 2 to 10ms..

to get the most out of ASIO, u realy do have to set a buffer within Vegas, not only that, but run a DX diagnostic and adjstu yoru settings as required..

im using an audigy a have a latency of about 2ms, mind you im using a virtual midi cable triggering my sequencer (Sonar) which in turn is controlling my synths..
so if i can get it this tight with all this gear while running Vegas as the master im sure with some tweaking u cna too :)

Emre Safak
February 22nd, 2005, 09:46 AM
I have an Audigy too. What is the procedure for this tweaking, and do I have to use additional software besides Vegas 5?

Peter Jefferson
February 22nd, 2005, 07:26 PM
just make sure u run the latest drivers from creative, make sure ASIO is selected and then open up the audio properties. you will be given a small box with a 3 digit number in tehre. thats your latency setting.
put this to 10ms

Douglas Spotted Eagle
February 22nd, 2005, 08:12 PM
Part One of a comprehensive frameserving tutorial from Mark Dileo & VASST is available. Hope you find it of use. It's on how to get HD onto a DVD now.
Part II will be available later this week. http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/articles/frameserve.htm

Douglas Spotted Eagle
February 22nd, 2005, 09:02 PM
Correct. Cineform (you want to use the version found on the Sony site) will create the DI that Vegas likes to use.
You don't have to use Cineform, you can use DVHS capture (free) but then you're editing M2T files and that's very painful.

Kevin Kimmell
February 23rd, 2005, 10:19 AM
Is that even possible?

I'm successfully tracking a part of one source as it moves across it's frame using the cookie and keyframes and my idea is to transition this across another un-effected source.

The problem is I don't see any background transparency option. The only option is to give it color which is black by default. That works but it darkens the other stream a bit more than I'd like.

Do I need to reorder my clips or perhaps add some other FX in to accomplish this?

Thanks,
Kevin

Edward Troxel
February 23rd, 2005, 10:51 AM
If you have video on tracks 1 and 2 and apply a cookie cutter to track 1, track 2 will automatically appear in what you are calling the "black" area. No need to do anything else.

Kevin Kimmell
February 23rd, 2005, 12:20 PM
In this case it's track 8 and 10 with track 9's composite level set to zero....

But now I see. I had to cut a chunk out and move it below the effected track.

Great. Thanks!

-Kevin

p.s. I'm definitely going add a credit for these forums in this DVD.

Steve Roffler
February 23rd, 2005, 09:34 PM
I had terrible times with Vegas crashing when I first had Vegas 4.0. Turns out my hard drives were overheating. I added a fan and haven't crashed in over a year. (knock on wood).

Overheated hard drives can cause all sorts of trouble so make sure they are well ventilated.

Tony Rockliff
February 23rd, 2005, 09:56 PM
Me too. Now when capturing or rendering I always run a strong external fan over all my external drives.

Steve Roffler
February 23rd, 2005, 10:24 PM
I suggest you read an intro book such as:
The Little Digital Video Book by Michael Rubin.

This helped me a lot in such simple concepts as not moving my camera, not zooming all the time, covering a subject, and managing files. Also, simple editing suggestions are given. The quality of home movies can be greatly improved with just a little effort.

A sample of my first home video is here:

http://www.vanemery.com/~sroff/2004/satweb.wmv

It may give you some ideas.

Aaron Koolen
February 23rd, 2005, 10:39 PM
My machine used to crash during some (about 20% of them) renders too, until I downclocked my CPU back to normal. Make sure you're not overclocking.

Also, 5 days of uptime on Windows is pushing it IMO.


Aaron

Brian Burns
February 24th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Question, when I create chapter points in V5 and import them into DVDA I'd like to be able to change the actual graphic that is displayed. Can this be done in DVDA or is it easier to take a screen shot in V5 and import the graphic as a thumbnail?

Gary Kleiner
February 24th, 2005, 12:37 AM
You can use any graphic file by browsing or dragging to Button Properties>Graphics>Thumbnail

If you are talking about a frame from the video that the button represents, just change the Start Time.

Gary

Brian Burns
February 24th, 2005, 05:32 AM
Thanks. But I'm not looking at changing the start time so much as I am looking to change the graphic that is represented (but still starting at frame 1)

Peter Jefferson
February 24th, 2005, 06:23 AM
you shoudl also check your temp storage capacity, preview ram settings too (i used to have mine on full and i got stack dump errors bascailly runnign out of memory... )

the longest render ive had though, was for black barred 4:3 footage, runnign colour corrections and colour curves and ive had the longest render be 27 hours.. for 2 hours worth of material..

im only runnign a P4 non HT 2.4, with 1gb ram..

James Darren
February 24th, 2005, 07:13 AM
Hi all,

I've got the trial version of Vegas 5.0 (which is very nice I might add, i think i'll buy a copy) in which I want to do some really basic HDV editing with a FX1 which i'm borrowing this weekend for a test to see if i'll like the camera before i buy it.

Can I edit HDV with the Vegas 5 trial program & what plug ins do i need? Can you download the plug ins as a trial?

Bob Costa
February 24th, 2005, 07:18 AM
Pick some cool music first, and the editing ideas will come.

Brent Marks
February 24th, 2005, 07:55 AM
Why doesn't Vegas just capture it on its own??


thanks

Edward Troxel
February 24th, 2005, 08:21 AM
If you change the timecode where Gary indicated, it WILL change the graphic to what is at that timecode but WILL NOT change where the chapter points to.

Dwight Flynn
February 24th, 2005, 09:07 AM
I think Cineform.com has one for Vegas (Connect HD), but I do not know if it will work for the demo version of Vegas. U can ask David and the folks at Cineform to answer that question. Also, if my memory serves me right Vegas will not natively capture, but it will natively edit HDV content once imported into its media pool(though it is probably slow without the plug-in).

James Darren
February 24th, 2005, 09:18 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Dwight Flynn : Vegas will not natively capture, but it will natively edit HDV content once imported into its media pool(though it is probably slow without the plug-in). -->>>

i'm a bit confused... how do you capture the DV from the FX1 then?

Dwight Flynn
February 24th, 2005, 12:12 PM
I thought the issue was the capture (and edit) of HDV, which I am be wrong about, but I believe Vegas does not capture (but can import if already on the hard drive). Now I know it works this way for the JVC HDV cam, though I am not certain about the FX1, but it may be the same.