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Patrick King
March 16th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Page 40 of the Movie Studio manual describes the Ripple edit mode. Different icon than Vegas but appears work in a similar way as Vegas Auto Ripple tool. I think Movie Studio just doesn't have the Post Edit Ripple feature (which I prefer personally).

Edward Troxel
March 16th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Thanks for the info, Peter.

Glenn Chan
March 16th, 2005, 10:58 PM
I find the blackviper tweaks don't really do anything, unless you are running 96MB of RAM or something like that (in which, buy more RAM).

If you want your machine to boot more quickly, get rid of antivirus scanning, check for configuration problems (i.e. PIO mode), get rid of viruses and spyware, and then try disabling start-ups.

Disabling start-ups:
winXP:
This isn't necessarily safe, but you can go run --> msconfig, click on the startup tab, and disable everything. Chances are very high you don't need whatever it is.

If you find that you are missing a startup you regularly use (i.e. MSN messenger, VNC/remote, etc.) then add it back in through msconfig again.

Some programs have updaters in there, but you generally don't need the updates.

Jozie Rabyor
March 16th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Thanks for weighing in, Patrick. I see the instructions in the manual for using Ripple with cut, paste and delete. But I'm still trying to get subsequent events to ripple when I don't shorten an event by splitting and then cutting--but instead edge-trim it on the timeline by clicking and dragging on one side of the event.

If you or anyone who uses Movie Studio can make this happen on your copy of the program, please clue me in. I've already tried logging off and rebooting, and also using the software's 'repair' feature. If this technique is supposed to be available, I don't think I have it. I suppose I could try re-installing. But first I'd like to make sure that VMS actually does this.

It's sort of inconceivable to me that it wouldn't, but I've tried searching the manual for the word Ripple, and reading every entry. I've read all the info on Trimming (on the timeline). At least I think I have. Still no instructions for this particular technique.

So again, muchas gracias and big, big thanks to all who are trying to help me--and if anyone has further suggestions, I'm still hoping to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Jozie

Patrick King
March 17th, 2005, 06:13 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Chan : I find the blackviper tweaks don't really do anything, unless you are running 96MB of RAM or something like that (in which, buy more RAM).

If you want your machine to boot more quickly, get rid of antivirus scanning, check for configuration problems (i.e. PIO mode), get rid of viruses and spyware, and then try disabling start-ups.

Disabling start-ups: winXP: This isn't necessarily safe, but you can go run --> msconfig, click on the startup tab, and disable everything. Chances are very high you don't need whatever it is.-->>>

Glen,
I think you might need to review the latest BlackViper table. I've found them VERY useful on a workstation with only 2 gigs of ram (benchmark validation of speed increases). You say his tweaks 'don't really do anything' and then you say go willy-nilly into the msconfig and turn off everything, which you admit isn't really safe.

I'm suggesting it is much smarter to use his guide as a resource to select exactly which things should be set to Automatic, Manual, or Disabled in the Services setting.
He also offers other recommendations for tweaks (http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/supertweaks.htm).

Additionally, I would not give a blanket recommendation of 'getting rid' of virus and spyware software. If the computer used to edit connects to the internet (and it does for a lot of folks), then make an effort to disconnect when editing and keep the virus and spyware software, just make it manual so it doesn't scan while editing. If your editing computer is truly stand-alone (never connected to the internet), you can completely remove them.

Patrick King
March 17th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Last resort: ask at the Sony Forum. They have Sony reps lurking that will answer if other owners can't.

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=12

Samuel Birkan
March 17th, 2005, 07:10 AM
The Sony Forum mentioned here is an excellent resource for Vegas Studio. One of the regular posters there has a detailed post a few monthes back how to do ripple edits.
That said the ripple feature is surprisingly tough to master for some strange reason

James Binder
March 17th, 2005, 08:23 AM
Yeah -- the jog wheel is what I thought was most cool about the keyboard. Whish it was on the left side though -- more ergonomic for left hand jog and right hand mouse usage.

Although, I'm pretty used to using 'J-K-L' for jog/shuttle -- which is after all on the right side of the keyboard.

What else is out there to control Vegas? Coming from the audio world, I'm aware of several different dedicated control surfaces for audio recording software -- anything like that for Video/Vegas? That is, more advanced features, etc than the EZ keyboard or the likes…

Thanks –

James Binder
March 17th, 2005, 08:40 AM
...worked great. Thanks again for the tip(s).

Edward Troxel
March 17th, 2005, 10:15 AM
For a jog/shuttle wheel, I use the Contour Shuttle Pro. It works great and you can also program the various buttons. The way I have my laptop programmed, I could actually edit a full multi-cam mix and never touch anything except the Shuttle Pro. (not counting audio)

If you're really looking to control Vegas via external devices, you might want to take a look at the Mackie external controller!

Milt Lee
March 17th, 2005, 10:22 AM
I used the Black Viper Super Tweaks last night and I like the feel of the computer. I have no benchmark except to note that it is faster.

I only have a gig of ram so I like to make sure that it's all working for me and Vegas - not for some strange process or service that I know nothing about.

With SAGER - I still need to go in and turn off the TV tuner, and quicktime, and...... but it's getting better all the time.

Thanks for the advice folks,

Milt Lee

Andy Shrimpton
March 17th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Hi Edward.

I'm doing a 3 cam edit, and I've put all my camera choices in, and run the tally update wizard. There are no points where there is no fottage selected prior to running the wizard, and when viewing the 4x4 PIP the blue border around the selected camera isn't there.

Therefore when I run the wizard to get a master track, there are gaps in it, and so the 4 x 4 PIP shows through on the master track.

I'm at my wit's end here, I've tried every thing I can think of, but I can't get the master track to be one complete track.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Andy

Edward Troxel
March 17th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Not sure I'm completely picturing what you are describing. If you are not getting a tally in sections, then those sections will NOT have anything to transfer to the Master track.

There IS one quirk that you may be experiencing. Let's suppose you have something as follows:

1.....................2
aaaabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
cccccccccccccccccccccccc
dddddddddddddddddddd

In this case you have TWO events between markers 1 and 2. Assuming marker 1 is to use that track, "a" will be moved up but "b" will not. To get "b" to move, another marker would need to be located at the beginning of "b" also pointing to that same track.

Andy Shrimpton
March 17th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Edward:

Thanks for the swift reply. It may be you've nailed it, i'll try it when I get home, and let you know.

Cheers,

Andy

Patrick King
March 17th, 2005, 06:29 PM
<<<-- Originally posted by James Binder : What else is out there to control Vegas? -->>>

For pure 'coolness' look at this shuttle:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/

Not as functional as the Shuttle Xpress or the Shuttle Pro, but it's much more fashionable than either, so you got to ask yourself the Billy Crystal question:

'Do you want to look marvelous or be marvelous.'

Bob Benkosky
March 17th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Hey all.....Just got done shooting lots of footage for my little movie I'm invloved in.

How do most of you edit? I've done certain things in Vegas but nothing very long or complicated.

I ask this, because I also think I'm going to use Adobe After FX Magic Bullet and maybe even some of those effects in AE but I've read that going straight to 24p is best, but that seems insane.

Taking like 150 seperate files and rendering them all to 24p without editing them first.....yikes. All this without knowing exactly how your going to edit everything together...just seem like a huge waste of time. Would it make sense to at least edit a scene together, then output in Vegas back to DV, then go into AE to make that sequence 24p?

Then making the music for the whole movie is a pain as well. You could do it sequence by sequence or make the entire movie and do it that way too. That's another story though.

Shannon Rawls
March 17th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Are you going to edit in HDV format? Or edit in Downconverted DV?

- Shannon W. Rawls

Glenn Chan
March 17th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I don't know if my memory serves me right, but I tried disabling services as suggested by the black viper site and benchmarked it with rendertest.veg and found no difference. I may have had the indexing service off already, so that may have made a difference. (That service may be worth turning off.)

Maybe disabling services does make a difference, but I cannot tell. What benchmark did you try?

Disabling startups did make a small difference for me (a few percent). qttask and realshed should go, although if you run either QT or Real Player those startups will come back.

Disabling startups willy-nilly via msconfig isn't necessarily safe, but your computer will boot slightly faster, you'll have less icon clutter, and you'll get rid of the nagging thought that startups may be slowing your computer down (psychological benefit, not a real benefit). Sometimes it may improve performance by maybe one percent.

Antivirus: You could leave it on and disable real-time scanning (or whatever your program calls it). It generally hampers performance in a noticeable way.

Bob Benkosky
March 17th, 2005, 11:22 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention it's just DV format from my GL2.

Charles Saeger
March 17th, 2005, 11:28 PM
Especially considering the fact that you can make 24P DVDs with Vegas+DVD?

Edward Troxel
March 18th, 2005, 08:04 AM
The BEST? I can't say - I haven't tried any others. A good one? Absolutely. Also remember Vegas was a leader in 24p support.

Albert Rodgers
March 18th, 2005, 11:00 AM
I have failed at two attempts to create an audio CD with 1 track.


The first attempt, I highlighted the track and went TOOLS>BURN CD> Track-at-Once.

On the last attempt, I went to TOOL > LAY OUT AUDIO CD

which placed a start/finish track flags. I also highlighted
the track and went TOOLS>BURN CD>DISC-AT-ONCE. After finishing process, the dialog box said CD Burning complete without error, BUT there was no track on CD.

I need Help. Any suggestions? Could it be faulty CD-Rs?

P

Edward Troxel
March 18th, 2005, 11:04 AM
I have the procedure I use laid out in Vol 1 #10 of my newsletter.

Stephan Mayer
March 18th, 2005, 01:54 PM
Did anyone tinker with MIDI controllers?
There is a great one from Behringer. Ok they are a bit flimsy but i use them for Cubase.
Has any one tried to use a generic Midi controller in Vegas

Stephan Mayer
March 18th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Did anyone tinker with MIDI controllers?
There is a great one from Behringer. Ok they are a bit flimsy but i use them for Cubase.
Has any one tried to use a generic Midi controller in Vegas?

Rob Lohman
March 19th, 2005, 04:10 AM
Personally I would use a dedicated burning program like Nero.
Just export to WAV/PCM and load, start nero and create an audio
CD and point it to the WAV/PCM files.

Rob Lohman
March 19th, 2005, 06:42 AM
Usually you edit first, and then work on effects etc. So you can do
the edit in Vegas, output to whatever format you want to work
with and load that into AE etc.

Edward Troxel
March 19th, 2005, 06:49 AM
If you're going to use a dedicated program - how about CD Architect. Exactly what it was designed to do (and now comes FREE with the Sound Forge 8 purchase).

Rob Lohman
March 19th, 2005, 06:50 AM
I didn't even know that existed. Thanks for the heads up Edward!
I'll do some reading on the product.

Edward Troxel
March 19th, 2005, 07:19 AM
The version included with SF8 is version number 5.2. It's been around for many years. Full details can be found at http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/ShowProduct.asp?PID=963

Albert Wong
March 19th, 2005, 03:09 PM
OK -- so I am trying to outfit my system appropriately so that I can edit video.

The system that I have now is this:
Dell dimension 4700
p4 3.0 gigahertz
512 MB
40 GB Seagate barracuda sata drive (came with computer)

anyhow, I want to add a hard drive. But I have no idea which drive to get -- what is compatible, what is not, etc. A lot of the cheaper drive seem to be ATA -- rather than SATA.

Is there a reason for that?

Anyhow, I do know that there is a spare slot for an extra hard drive inside the case of the Dell 4700.

I installed the the DVD burner on my own, and could probably figure out how to put the hard drive in -- as long as it is going to work !

What do you recommend?

Should I just pay more money and get an external drive? I am also going to want to upgrade memory at some point -- although I am trying to get by without doing so for as long as I can.

Thanks, everyone!

Glenn Gipson
March 19th, 2005, 04:50 PM
Is there a way to take two seperate video tracks (tracks that weren't simply split apart) and splice them together into one track? Thanks.

Glenn Chan
March 19th, 2005, 05:05 PM
It's not a big deal whether you get ("traditional"/old-style) ATA or SATA drives, although they install differently.

How to install the drive:
Have you checked Dell's website for instructions? Apple for example has really good documentation on how to add upgrades. Hopefully Dell is like that.

Otherwise, if you buy a retail (and not OEM) version of a drive it will have good instructions. Or, there are instructions on the internet.

You shouldn't experience much difficulty installing the drive. Dell cases are well-designed so the physical part ain't that hard (opening the case may be the hardest part). On the drives, you have to check the jumper settings. Take a look at the jumper setting on the seagate before you install the other drive.

There's a ~127GB size limitation if you are running winXP or earlier without service pack 1. Your computer likely has XP service pack 2 so you're covered.

Make sure to format the drive NTFS after you install it.

Since you installed your DVD burner yourself already, get an ATA hard drive and it should be very similar.

2- Buy a drive off a vendor like newegg.com, or check hot deals sites as deals on hard drives are very common. In the US there are some really good deals on hard drives, although they can be a real hassle with rebates.

I would not get an external drive as they are slower, more prone to issues/not workingness, and more expensive.

David Rocchio
March 19th, 2005, 05:36 PM
you could render them to a new track, they will then be one clip, or you could group them, they will move together but fx will be seperate

Bob Benkosky
March 19th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Yea, so far I took a scene, edited it together, then went into AE and then put it back into Vegas for final output along with letterboxing it. Seems to be working out pretty well actually.

Albert Wong
March 19th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Thanks for the suggestion on checking the Dell web site. That was exactly what I needed. :-)

By the way, from reading that web site, I learned that the dimension 4700 has room for only 2 IDE drives (which are both being taken up by my DVD burner and my CD-Rom) and so I will need to get a SATA Drive -- believe it or not. That was a close call -- so thank you for your help!

All the best,
Albert

Edward Troxel
March 19th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Just drag them back to back on the one track. You really don't need them to be "one" event. If you want them to move together, just group them (select them both and press "G"). However, if you INSIST on them being a single event, just render to a new single event and put that on the timeline instead.

Albert Rodgers
March 19th, 2005, 09:36 PM
I have three questions:

1. I complete a 1 1/2 hour concert and began developing the DVD interface in DVDA. After extensive work on the DVD interface, I notice a mistake in the middle of the video and I need to make changes to the credits. Is there anyway I could have revised these mistakes without render the entire project over in Vegas?

2. After I revised the project and save the Mpeg clip under a different name, how can I replace the original video footage with the revised?

3. If I didn't set=up the project for surround sound, is there any other advantages of render the audio file as an AC3? (Instead of just rendering them together)

BTW When I created the original MPEG clip I saved the markers, so When I went to revise the video I placed this as the top track and lined it up with the original markers in Vegas. Also, I created region so that I remember exactly where I started/stopped.

Please help> The original and revised are the same length and use the same markers (at the same position). I want to be able to keep the same interface (including set thumbnails) but replace the original Mpeg with the Revised.

Thank you!

Edward Troxel
March 19th, 2005, 09:41 PM
Rename the original file. When you open the project, it will ask where it is. Point it to the new file. That should be all you need to do.

Glenn Chan
March 19th, 2005, 09:56 PM
I think your computer does take another ATA drive.

It almost certainly has 2 IDE controllers/channels (that goes hand in hand with 2 IDE ribbons). On each ribbon, you can have 2 devices. Your system should have room for a total of 4 devices- *2* hard drives, a CD-ROM, burner.

It should also physically have room for those four devices.

Albert Wong
March 19th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Thanks, Glenn :-)

You are probably right, but I think I might just play it safe... and go with the SATA

I am really a novice at all of this but some people over here...

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_harddrive&message.id=78784&query.id=626213#M78784

make it sound like if I don't get a sata drive with my dimension 4700 then I'm going to wind up with a little more technical challenge than my already overloaded brain can handle :-)!

Thanks again for all your help :-) Really!

Darrin McMillan
March 19th, 2005, 11:45 PM
This is probably an easy question. I was just wondering if it is possible in Vegas 5.0 to output multiple video to one screen. I need two different "Frames" containing seperate video. What is the easiest way to do this.

Any help would be great..Thanks.

Darrin

Glenn Chan
March 20th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Sorry,
I think they're right and that you need a SATA drive. The 4700 may only have one IDE channel, in which case you would need a SATA drive. I'm probably thinking in the past where every computer has 2 or more IDE channels.

Glenn Chan
March 20th, 2005, 12:25 AM
You mean like picture-in-picture or picture wall or split wipe effects?

You can achieve all of the above with the pan/crop tool... you can read how to use it in the manual. There may also be tutorials on the internet, and Excalibur if you need to do picture walls often.

Edward Troxel
March 20th, 2005, 06:54 AM
I explain how to do this in the first three issues of my newsletters. If you're wanting a full video wall, Tsunami will let you quickly and easily create one of virtually any size.

If you want to figure out how by yourself, do a search in the help file for "Track Motion" to achieve a PIP.

Darrin McMillan
March 20th, 2005, 08:12 AM
Thank you very much

Thom Seaman
March 21st, 2005, 06:07 AM
For external audio/video control of Vegas, the Mackie Universal Control really is the one to beat, in spite of its cost. Very easy to set up, automated faders, track and timecode displays, jog/shuttle - everything you could want!

Peace,
Thom

Steve Roffler
March 21st, 2005, 09:03 PM
I just saw the first episode of the HBO series Carnivale (I'm a bit out of the loop over here in Taiwan). I really liked the credit sequence in which it appears that you enter three demensional space in tarot cards.

Is it possible to achieve something similar to this effect (on a less grand scale) with Vegas? I have some ideas that 3D track motion combined with some photoshop work may be able to do the job but I'm curious if anyone has tried to do it.


For those that don't know what I'm referring to, there is a video of the Carnivale credits here:
http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/behind/credits/index.html

Keith Loh
March 21st, 2005, 11:57 PM
Easy to do with AfterEffects. You could probably do it using Vegas.

Mitch Buss
March 22nd, 2005, 08:37 AM
How would you go about it in After Effects? I've been meaning to do something similar to that as well.