hehhehee one thing people conveniently forget to mention is that with teh RTx100, u STILL have to prerender certain types of edits.. such as overlays etc.. mind u its still faster, but the fact remains ur still pre-rendering..

i was aso thinking along the lines of prem pro and rtx, ad i use it for my work when im doing stuff for other people who use this gear, but with vegas theres a lil trick..

set up our edit of a sequence.. doesnt matter how long.. usually between scenes helps.. create 2 markers (in and out)
Now once ur done, save the project..
now render the video element "render loop region only" on that sequnce only..

now while it begins rendering, open a new instance of vegas..
now open up THE SAME PROJECT.

now continue working.. jsut dont touch any of the stuff in the previous loop region.

for me, id rather the conveneince and speed of vegas.. but i use Prem Pro coz i have to..

This thread brings up a question I have been wondering about for a while. Does Vegas support any hardware that would speed up render time? (for us with slower computers)

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Jason : This thread brings up a question I have been wondering about for a while. Does Vegas support any hardware that would speed up render time? (for us with slower computers) -->>>

You best bet would just to upgrade your computer to the fastest you can afford. Try and find bottlenecks in your system and fix them. Also note that Vegas doesn't take advantage of dual processors as much as it should :(

You could get a render farm for Vegas (for network rendering), although it helps less than you think (there are a bunch of catches).

The reasonably-priced solutions for speeding up Vegas are:

Upgrading to faster processor. About a step or two down from the fastest processor is where the best bang for the buck lies.

Overclocking also really helps, but you risk system instability and need to test your system well.

You can squeeze out a few extra % of performance if you use 4 sticks of the exact same model RAM. 4 double-sided/banked sticks of RAM > 4 single sided > 2DS/SS > 1 stick >> everything else.
512MB sticks are usually but not always double sided/banked. 256MB sticks are mostly single sided (but not always!!). RAM configuration affects memory bandwidth, which makes a few percent difference for video editing.

Eliminating system bottlenecks (config issues, RAM, hard drive storage, etc.).

Variations on multi-tasking while Vegas is rendering (i.e. open up another instance of Vegas, or go to sleep). Dual processors can help if you use two instances. Dual processors may not be that reasonably priced compared to a single processor.

Hi Edward.

On a 2 Cam editing task, I've put a camera change, then deleted the marker, but the camera still changes at that point. It keeps happening. Am I removing the camera change incorrectly, or is there a glitch?

Cheers,

Andy

To remove a camera change, simply delete the marker. If you are saying the tally still changes at that point, you are correct. In order to get that changed as well, you also have to run the Update Tally Wizard. Any time you manually change the markers you'll need to run the Update Tally Wizard to get the tallys straightened out.

Do you do much in the realm of mixed light shooting? I've got nighttime footage of a band where the lights will suddenly hit the lens from the light show. I know that there's no way around the pixelation that I'm getting on those sudden flashes but I'm wondering if you can suggest MPEG settings for such video that might minimize the effects.

I'm going to end up putting about 75 minutes of daytime footage without such problems on a dual layer disc with about 125 minutes of nighttime footage. I figure I can compress the daytime footage much more but am having a hard time figureing out the best balance.

-Kevin

You may want to put your nighttime footage on TWO dvd's around 60 minutes each. Hopefully the higher allowed bitrate would then sufficiently reduce the problems you are seeing.

Hello everybody!
Would somebody describe step-by-step how to adjust the color settings in Vegas 5 so that to get this:
I want to edit the colors in a video footage, but I dont know exactly how to do that. I used Vegas Color Correctors, 6 Color Corrector too, but the results don't make me glad.
So, I will try to be understandable as more as I can:

I want to change the green color to become different kind of green. For that purpose I changed the hue, saturation, even the mix of red or blue in green. Ok, but all other colors in the video become changed together with the adjustment for green - red becomes blueish, greenish or yellowish, etc...
So, how to change every color in a video SEPARATELY without affecting the other colors??? I tried with Secondary Color Corrector applying it on 3 video tracks /copies of the original video track/, but I just don't know how to adjust the compositing and parent or child modes /if nesessary/. You see that I am confused and not so knowledged about this in Vegas 5.
The reason:
I use a DV cam which shoots in excellent quality at all. But everybody who uses the same equipment knows that there is a big-big color difference between a dv cam and a film on dvd /some Hollywood film production, for example/. I tried so many film looks by Magic Bullet and Ultimate S. I don't wanna say a bad word, oh my God, but I realize that nor Magic Bullet, nor Ultimate S can reach the film color quality of a film production, even 50% at least! Am I right or not???
Please for step-by-step explanations, even examples about this matter, because I am really helpless.
Thanks in advance!!!

Is there some type of effect in Vegas that will allow me to make a shot appear as if it is going in and out of focus? I need to make a POV shot appear as if the person is loosing their sight. Thanks.

Rendered my first project out using AC-3 tonight. I noticed it has a default "-25db dialog attenuation". I changed it to -10db thinking I could make it louder because I have heard others complain about ac-3 being too quite.

Well it is less than half of the original volume! I spent a great deal of time normalizing and adjusting all my audio levels while editng...it's a bit frusterating that the AC-3 encoder screws it all up!

My question is: 1) Shouldn't a lower attenuation # be louder? (ie changing the default -25 to -10)

and 2) If I change it to -0 would that yield the same volume levels I had in post?

Use a Gaussian Blur and Keyframes to change the "focus"
Don

So,that is my question. And what is the tool for making?
Another question:
Film Looks by Magic Bullet are stored as .mbl, but when I create and save a new film look file with MB Editors via Vegas 5, then I can't see it as .mbl file. Why???

Change the dialog normalization to -31

On the PreProcessing tab, change both the Line mode profile and RF mode profile to NONE.

A script is simply a text file (which you can make with notepad) that contains the proper code to perform the desired task. Any particular type of thing you are wanting to script? I have a lot of scripting info in my newsletters.

Thanks Edward- that did the trick!

What is a Keyframe?

A keyframe is a set of values for the effect at any one point in time. So if the effect needs to change over time, you make a keyframe with the first setting, move down the timeline, and then make a second keyframe with the second setting.

I explain keyframes in vol 2 #8 of my newsletter.

Edward

Is there any sort of Script that would Increase the Brightness/Contrast ratio while paying attention to the 100 IRE and 0 IRE on the Videscopes?

Basically, an automatic adjsutment but NOT going over on highlights or under onthe 0 IRE?

r u refering to a rack focus??

layer 2 tracks,
on the lower track run a slight gausian blur,
on the upper track, run a cookie cutter filter

voila instand rack focus

oops.. sorry..
another trick for a tunnel vision kinda effect is to run a radial blur.. this might be a lil more effective when conveying that feeling of blindness..

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : oops.. sorry..
another trick for a tunnel vision kinda effect is to run a radial blur.. this might be a lil more effective when conveying that feeling of blindness.. -->>>

Excuse my ignorance about Vegas, I know so little about it, but how do I do this cookie cutter effect? Where is it? Thanks.

cookie cutter is in the VIDEO FX tab, grab it place it on the event you want it on.
Let me suggest that you might want to read some of the Tips and Tricks Newletters written by Edward Troxel. He has Vegas broken down in a way that explains most everything there is to know about it. Print them out and use them as a resource.
Don

I'm needing to go from 2 mic setup to 3 mics. Does Vegas & Sound Forge support a 3 or 4 mic setup? Never tried. Of course the 2 mic setup is easy. What are, if any problems with this setup?

Hello,
How to use Broadcast Colors In Vegas 5 actually? I cannot see a difference when applying it. So? What is the purpose???

Scripts can't see the actual video or the scopes. Therefore adjustments can't be made based on those.

Plus when setting effects, the individual settings cannot be adjusted. Only PRESETS can be chosen.

In Vegas, you can have as many audio tracks as you need. There's no problem with having as many mics as needed.

Sound Forge is a stereo editor. You can edit each mic in Forge and then bring it back into Vegas. However, it isn't a mixer - Vegas does that.

Usually the issue is sync, as most cameras do not record quality 4-channel sound (16-bit 48khz, not the 12-bit 32khz stuff) and have an easy way of digitizing it into your computer.

Slate each shot and keep good notes. You may want to do a rough edit and then sync things up, or sync up all your sound beforehand and possibly use Vegas' takes feature.

North American NTSC DV:
Choose the (extremely) conservative preset with 7.5IRE setup.

If you have an illegal colors they will get clipped. Use the smoothness setting for gradual clipping.

2- Bring up the scopes for an image before applying the filter.
Anything from 0-16 and 235-255 on the histogram will get clipped. On the waveform monitor, it's below 7.5IRE and over 100IRE. On the vectorscope, the clipping boundary is like a hexagon slightly beyond those six boxes (something like that!).

If you don't have colors like that then the Broadcast Colors filter won't do anything.

Reading the waveform: Read it left to right. IRE values of a column from the picture are mapped to columns on the waveform. I hope that makes sense... it can help you spot in the picture where the clipped highlights and shadows are. Look for where it's flat on the waveform monitor (that's from clipping) and then in the corresponding area of your picture to see the visual effect.

Glenn...

Your description is close, but...

There is no real correlation between pedestal (IRE 7.5) and RGB color(RGB16-235). It's not exactly coincidental, but with broadcast colors RGB16 is mapped to IRE7.5. Otherwise, the two really aren't related.

If you want to do it right, you need to use an After Effects plug-in like FinalFocus (http://www.reiji.net/ff-e/title.html) or Lenscare (http://frischluft.com/lenscare/introduction.php)

DV is terrible for color correcting; it has very little chromatic information. Coming from 35mm no-one can convince me otherwise.

To answer your question... you need to use limiters (http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=27289) (particularly for hue) to modify only a particular color.

I've scoured the manual and the forums but haven't been able to find an answer to this yet.

How can I copy an edited video or video selection to another Vegas instance while retaining the chapter markers? I tried saving the markers to a text file but can't find a way to import them back into the new instance.

Thanks for any guidance.

Tony

To get the markers between two projects, just go to View - Edit Details, select to view the markers and select them all, copy, go to the other instance, and paste.

HOWEVER, the markers will be put in the same location as they were in the first instance. But it WILL let you copy them this way.

Thanks Edward, that's what I tried but I haven't been able to paste them into the 2nd instance - either in the Edit Details window where paste is not a highlighted option, nor anywhere else in the program. Probably something simple I'm missing.

But your "HOWEVER" sentence basically tells me that even if I could paste them it would not do what I'm trying to achieve.

I have four 2 hour edited videos one after the other in the same instance because I was editing between them for 4 DVDs. Now I want to move each DVD section to its own instance with the markers in their correct relative positions (with changed numbers in the new instance) so that I can then use Edit Details to export the chapter markers for use in DVD-Lab for authoring.

What I've been doing as a workaround is starting each DVD section at "00:00" locations like 04:00:00:00 and then editing the 04 to 00 in a text editor before importing to DVD-Lab. I guess there's no current easier way to do it.

That's easy:

Delete all the stuff NOT in part 1, save as part 1.

Open the original project. Delete all the stuff NOT in part 2. Save as part 2.

Repeat for steps 3 and 4.


To get the markers to paste, you need to highlight the entire area by clicking on the square to the left of the column headers. Then you should be able to paste just fine.

Brilliantly simple - thanks Edward!

Coupled with post-edit ripple it does exactly what I need :)

<<<-- Originally posted by Emre Safak : DV is terrible for color correcting; it has very little chromatic information. Coming from 35mm no-one can convince me otherwise.

To answer your question... you need to use limiters (http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=27289) (particularly for hue) to modify only a particular color. -->>>

And what colors might that be ? What settings should we use in Vagas CC to get cinelike colors from raw video footage ?

Thanks !

Yes, Frank, your question is probably the most important here! That's what I mean exactly! Can somebody give an answer?

Ok, this is the file format of Magic Bullet Movie Looks - MBL.
But if I create my own preset named MyLook with Magic Bullet Editors, then I can't find a file MyLook.mbl
So, why is this so? What have I to do?

And what colors might that be ? What settings should we use in Vagas CC to get cinelike colors from raw video footage ?


That's a pretty different topic. Emre gave you a link to a tutorial on how to change a particular range of colors. If you want to get "cinelike" colors then you will probably need to change all the colors in an image. First off you need to define what "cinelike" is... parts of it ma not be achievable/practical in post. If you want your films to look like Hollywood, then there's things like art direction and lighting which will make your footage look great but these things cannot be done in post.

If you want things to look like film, check out the film look forum here on dvinfo.net. Some people say to shoot film if you want the film look, since you cannot achieve the same effect with video.

Better yet, if you want things to look like film shoot Super 16mm!

There are a couple of tutorials on the use of Vegas color correction tools:

http://www.wideopenwest.com/%7ewvg/tutorial-3.htm

http://www.wideopenwest.com/%7ewvg/tutorial-8.htm

http://www.wideopenwest.com/%7ewvg/tutorial-11.htm

http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/Vegas_Tutorials.html

and a good one on Disk 5 of Gary's DVD,

http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/video_v5c_learn_sony_vegas_5_with_the_vegas_5_companion_on_instructional_video_dvd.html

My progressive frames footages looks like interlaced footage when I speed it up in Vegas. I don't want this but I can't seem to find the way to correct it. Preferences have field order set to none (progressive).

Why is this happening and how can I help it?

My story and my thoughts

I left premiere to go to canopus (edius, storm,,,).
Then I found Vegas and found reason. It was like working with qubase making music (the good old days)
Premiere is always in my pc in case i have "troubles". But with vegas have no troubles any more.
I really love this program, the DVD as well.

how does it seem to be interlaced? Sometimes depending on ur preview panel quality settings, youll get interlacing if teh source material in interlaced and ur project is set to progressive...

i personally have never had an issue. i shoot with DVX100s and use vegas all the time..

okies, heres my gripe..

vegas kicks ass.. yes.. it surely does.. BUT

sometimes when working on a longform project with copious amounts of footage on the timelines, the pagefile will poo itslelf and give me a random frame within a clip which is totally unrelated.. thats the first gripe..

the second is when using teh Flash transition.. again, very similar to the randome frame, this one however cycles through a load of frames which can be a good effect if i wanted to use it.. but i dont.. it only happens with the flash transition though..

its not a ram thing.. im using corsair and have never had an issue.. but apparently this is a known issue.. :(

lets hope V6 alleviates this

I mean that when I open the rendered .AVI with any external player, it is obviously made up of fields. But only the shots that were sped up.

I suspect it has something to do with the properties of the individual clip that has been sped up, but I've been testing different settings to no avail...

I guess i'll have to take those clips into After Effects and speed them up there.

I have also, on two or three occasions, seen a totally unrelated frame appear. I do believe it is a RAM related issue simply because exiting and restarting Vegas will make it go away.

I am filming a movie in which one actor plays two characters. Such as in the film Dead Ringers. How do I take the same scene, filmed with each different "character" and splice it to look like they are in the same location and shot. Thanks for your help.

MITCH