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Edward Troxel
April 20th, 2005, 03:13 PM
I'm not sure the free upgrade info has been posted yet. Call Sony support and ask.

Kevin James
April 20th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Could you explain in greater detail how you did that? Thanks!


If need be I can host this clip as far as I have gotten so you can get a beter Idea of what I am trying to accomplish.

Don Donatello
April 20th, 2005, 09:15 PM
make sure when you capture you are using SMART capture ( no computer preview while capturing )

by any chance are you using one of those file share programs ? ( music, video sharing) .. i have found on friends computers these programs use 40-50% CPU even if it is not hooked up to internet ...

also you must TURN ON write cache on the external drive ( at least once from any computer ) go into disk management .. right click on the grey area below the disk # ( ie disk 3 ) then properties .. you'll find write cache on 2nd header i believe - put a DOT in the trun on write cache ..

Jim Lafferty
April 21st, 2005, 03:16 PM
Here's the link to the proper .dll (http://ideaspora.net/AAF110.zip) -- overwrite (or backup and replace) the AAFCOAPI.dll that sits inside your Vegas 6 dir.

Dan Keaton
April 21st, 2005, 10:50 PM
Dear Peter and Edward,

I just completed my install of Vegas 6.0 (April 21, 2005). Everything that I have tested to date seems to work fine.

I opened projects that I created in Vegas 4.0 and they work. I set up a secondary monitor as the preview monitor and that worked fine when I disabled "Fit to Screen", otherwise it was blurry.

I created a new project, from scratch, in Vegas 6.0(a) and it works.

I followed Edward's advice and put aside the disk of Vegas 6.0 that I received from Sony, downloaded the Vegas 6.0a Upgrade and used it instead. Sony's technical service offerred the same advice. (Thank you for pointing me in the right direction Edward!)

I had to load ".Net Framework" and then the Service Pack 1. I also had to upgrade to Direct X 9.0(c). All of these were checked by the installation process. The installation software automatically pointed me to the proper locations to download and install the upgrades.

Then I was able to complete the installation of Vegas 6.0(a) and everything appears to work fine.

Leo Anderson
April 21st, 2005, 10:59 PM
Hello there,

I just upgraded to Vegas 6.0 today and I opened a .veg file that I have been working on in Vegas 5 and I noticed that one of my clips is colored pink on the timeline. It doesn't affect anything as far as I can tell, but I am curious as to what it means.

To see what I'm talking about visit http://www.paulbunyan.net/users/vegas/vegas-pink.png

Edward Troxel
April 21st, 2005, 11:34 PM
Dan, that's good to hear. Here's a basic summary for Vegas 6:

1) You MUST have .NET 1.1 with Service Pack 1 installed.
2) You MUST be up to DirectX 9.0c
3) It is STRONGLY advised that you use the 6.0a download instead of the 6.0 on the CD.

Edward Troxel
April 21st, 2005, 11:37 PM
A "Pink clip" means that your audio and video are out of sync. If you have the "Show active take name" turned on, it will also give you the amount of offset.

Right-click one or the other and you'll see a new "Syncronize" menu option with which you can resync them.

Ian Stark
April 22nd, 2005, 02:08 AM
That's a great feature. Presumably it only works on video and audio that were originally grouped then ungrouped. In other words, it won't work with a separately recorded audio source.

I think I'm going to get a 'well, duh' response here!

Peter Jefferson
April 22nd, 2005, 05:22 AM
Done all that Ed,
gonna see what the deal is with V6 on an XP machine with SP2..
my unit here only has SP1, and i really dont want to install SP2 as this unit is rock solid. Im also running remote tools so im literally accessing this machine while im out of the office.. it took me ages to configure and i dont wanna risk losing a working system...

Dan Keaton
April 22nd, 2005, 05:59 AM
I just did some research on the installation of Vegas 6.0.

I put aside the supplied installation disk in favor of using 6.0a upgrade download as recommended. This was appropriate and it worked.

However, I just learned that some things I needed (and downloaded as directed by the installation process) were actually on the Vegas 6.0 cd provided in the boxed set.

This is just a note to let everyone know that if you have a slow internet connection, you can obtain ".Net Framework 1.1" and ".Net Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1", and Direct X 9.0(c) from the cd.

Edward Troxel
April 22nd, 2005, 10:50 AM
That's a great feature. Presumably it only works on video and audio that were originally grouped then ungrouped. In other words, it won't work with a separately recorded audio source.

I think I'm going to get a 'well, duh' response here!


No you're not. It WILL work with a separately recorded audio source IF you manually group them.

Mark Kubat
April 22nd, 2005, 12:38 PM
Hi all...

I'm trying to still understand why the Vegas comparison chart @ Sony's website says that Vegas 6 has unique "60i to 24p" conversions capability. So, what's new? Charile White's article too hints that now CF24 can be converted to true 24p.

How?

I have upgraded to Vegas 6 because at last the injustice of having to pay "separate" for HDV capture/workflow via Cineform add-on has been rectified.

Now as much as I am excited by vasst products such as gearshift, etc. - pls. tell me that there must be a way to get the 24p "fix" in Vegas 6 again without having to resort to costly 3rd party add-ons...???

Can anyone confirm by the way that gearshift does in fact give a result for Sony HDV akin to Panasonic 24p?

Spot, I love your work at vasst etc. and all you've given to the Vegas community - this is not some attack at you - I'm frustrated that Sony in some regards seems to "hold back" on certain things and leaves it up to 3rd parties to "pick up the slack."

So if we now want to convert cf24 to true 24p in Vegas 6, what do we do?

thanks!

Philippe Gosselin
April 22nd, 2005, 05:43 PM
Hi all,


Quick question here , computer crashed and reinstalled Vegas and Red and I see the Red files in the Sony\shard plugins folder but the plugin is nowhere to be found in Vegas.

Anybody got an idea ?

Thanks

Edward Troxel
April 22nd, 2005, 11:35 PM
I believe there's a DLL file you need to drag to the timeline in order to "register" Boris in Vegas.

Leo Anderson
April 23rd, 2005, 09:23 AM
A "Pink clip" means that your audio and video are out of sync. If you have the "Show active take name" turned on, it will also give you the amount of offset.

Right-click one or the other and you'll see a new "Syncronize" menu option with which you can resync them.

That's a great new feature! Thanks for the quick response.

I am loving this new version. The Media Manager alone is worth the upgrade in my opinion.

Derek Grimes
April 23rd, 2005, 10:40 AM
I am doing a project and the client wants over 200 pictures in the montage!! I do not want to just pan and crop. Any ideas would be helpful. I am currently using vegas 5.

Philippe Gosselin
April 23rd, 2005, 11:09 AM
Boy Ed , yu are right , when I drop the dll files on the timeline it asked me if I wanted to register. I did say yes of course but when I relaunch Vegas there is still no Boris option either in the Transition or FX window

Got any more idea's then :)

Thanks

Chris Hurd
April 23rd, 2005, 12:03 PM
Hi Derek,

We'll need to know what sort of software you have on hand now, and from there we can either give some advice about how to use your existing software options or recommend something different.

By the way, please don't cross-post; your duplicate message in another forum has been removed. This one left intact since it's in the general PC Editing forum. Hope this helps,

Derek Grimes
April 23rd, 2005, 12:54 PM
I am using vegas 5 for this montage.

Chris Hurd
April 23rd, 2005, 01:02 PM
Thanks; thread moved to Vegas forum.

Ian Stark
April 23rd, 2005, 01:53 PM
No you're not. It WILL work with a separately recorded audio source IF you manually group them.

Well, that's fantastic (both the fact that it works this way and that I didn't get a 'well, duh'!).

I'm struggling to understand how it works though. Do the audio and video have to be lined up correctly before first being grouped?

Michael Wisniewski
April 23rd, 2005, 02:00 PM
Check out the Ultimate S or the Still Motion plug-ins at the VASST website (click here) (http://www.vasst.com/software.htm). They'll help you with your photo montage.

Brian Kennedy
April 23rd, 2005, 09:15 PM
All of a sudden, when I use Wave Hammer in Sound Forge or Vegas, I get random electronic beeps sprinkled throughout the file. I Google searched and determined that maybe my program has somehow reverted to "demo mode," but no real solution on how to fix it back.

I haven't changed anything on my computer in quite a while, and everything worked well for months -- until just now. I use Vegas 5 and Sound Forge 7, running XP Pro SP2. Never had a problem with Vegas or Sound Forge before this.

This is extremely frustrating. I understand the need to protect against pirating programs, but this is ridiculous! My programs were already registered, but I figured I'd try re-registering -- it didn't fix it. Can anyone help?

Jack Smith
April 23rd, 2005, 09:27 PM
Did you recently make a change such as upgrade to SF7?
or and any plugins?

Chris Trainor
April 23rd, 2005, 09:32 PM
I have read through the forums regarding this previously, but I dont think this applies?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=21492&page=2&pp=15&highlight=slow+render

I am having the same problem with the slow rendering to mp2, with pre-rendered dv avi's.

But I am starting to think that it may be more of a system wide issue. This machine used to SMOKE (box has a xeon), and now it seems like its struggling to just do random, everyday stuff, like opening rendered files and such, displays a black screen but audio rolls in WMP, the images have to catch up a few frames later.

I went through all the processes running in xp, and went down the line to see what does what.

Nothing too out of the ordinary, but there are a lot of them running. I do run norton antivirus, but generally disable it during rendering. Just seems to have slowed to a crawl.

specs from belarc:

Dell Computer Corporation Precision WorkStation 530 MT
2.20 gigahertz Intel Pentium III (XEON)
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache

WDC 120.00 GB
WDC 80.03 GB
LaCie 1394 Disk drive 80.02 GB
512 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot 'RIMM_1 ' has 256 MB
Slot 'RIMM_2 ' has 256 MB

280.04 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity

RADEON 7000 SERIES [Display adapter]
EMC 15.7 [Monitor] (15.7"vis, June 2002)
EMC 15.7 [Monitor] (15.7"vis, July 2002)
111.03 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

About once a year, I wipe my machine for good housekeeping. I am about due. Does it sound more like an operating system problem?

What about some kind of benchmark app that will tell me whats eating what up other than the one provided my xp?

Thanks!

David Mintzer
April 23rd, 2005, 09:34 PM
I have read through the forums regarding this previously, but I dont think this applies?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=21492&page=2&pp=15&highlight=slow+render

I am having the same problem with the slow rendering to mp2, with pre-rendered dv avi's.

But I am starting to think that it may be more of a system wide issue. This machine used to SMOKE (box has a xeon), and now it seems like its struggling to just do random, everyday stuff, like opening rendered files and such, displays a black screen but audio rolls in WMP, the images have to catch up a few frames later.

I went through all the processes running in xp, and went down the line to see what does what.

Nothing too out of the ordinary, but there are a lot of them running. I do run norton antivirus, but generally disable it during rendering. Just seems to have slowed to a crawl.

specs from belarc:

Dell Computer Corporation Precision WorkStation 530 MT
2.20 gigahertz Intel Pentium III (XEON)
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache

WDC 120.00 GB
WDC 80.03 GB
LaCie 1394 Disk drive 80.02 GB
512 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot 'RIMM_1 ' has 256 MB
Slot 'RIMM_2 ' has 256 MB

280.04 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity

RADEON 7000 SERIES [Display adapter]
EMC 15.7 [Monitor] (15.7"vis, June 2002)
EMC 15.7 [Monitor] (15.7"vis, July 2002)
111.03 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

About once a year, I wipe my machine for good housekeeping. I am about due. Does it sound more like an operating system problem?

What about some kind of benchmark app that will tell me whats eating what up other than the one provided my xp?

Thanks!

Have you run Hi-Jack this on that machine---It's obvious you use the machine to surf the web and it sounds to me like you might have some spyware or malware etc that might be playing havoc.

Brian Kennedy
April 23rd, 2005, 09:40 PM
I don't know what I could have done that affected it. I've updated Vegas a few times, but my last update to Vegas was quite a while ago. And I've never updated SF (I bought right before SF8 came out, and 7.0b Build 301 was what came in the package... I think that's the latest version). The strange thing is that the only thing affected was Wave Hammer. SF itself and all of the other effects I tried worked fine (and show up as registered when I did help>about).

In any case, I should have searched harder before posting. I found a similar question and answer on the Sony website forums right after I posted this. The answer was to uninstall and reinstall Sound Forge. I hate solutions like that, but I just did it and now I have Wave Hammer back. I've lost all of my effects presets in the uninstall/reinstall process, though. :(

Has this ever happened to anyone else? I hope this isn't something I'm going to have to do every few months.

Chris Trainor
April 23rd, 2005, 09:43 PM
Have you run Hi-Jack this on that machine---It's obvious you use the machine to surf the web and it sounds to me like you might have some spyware or malware etc that might be playing havoc.

No. I run adaware often, and AV.

I think that if I flatten it and start over, will keep it off the network, and use my laptop to check email and all that....Just a bit of a hassle, I suppose.

Will check out HI-JACK.

**edit** ran HIJACK, not sure what to do with the results...

Edward Troxel
April 23rd, 2005, 10:11 PM
Whatever alignment it is when you group them is the alignment that will be used by Vegas. So... make sure they ARE aligned when you group them.

David Ennis
April 23rd, 2005, 10:21 PM
I just made my first DVD with DVD Architect 2.0

It uses only one video file (a stage musical), but I created two submenus under the main menu, Act 1 and Act 2, and distributed the appropriate chapter links in sequence to Act 1 and Act 2. Each has three pages with up to eight chapter links on each. Everything works except that at the end of the last chapter it returns to the last chapter page instead of the main menu.

Any suggestions?

David Ennis
April 23rd, 2005, 10:25 PM
What are some of the main ways to exploit the integration between Vegas 5 and DVD Architect 2.0?

Brian Kennedy
April 23rd, 2005, 10:28 PM
It just switched itself back into demo mode.

When I wrote the previous post, I had just run SF after uninstalling and reinstalling, and Wave Hammer was back to normal. Now I just ran Vegas, opened the file where I noticed the problem, and Wave Hammer was beeping again. Sure enough, the dialog box for Wave Hammer says "demo" again!

I closed Vegas, ran SF again, and indeed, in SF Wave Hammer is in demo mode again. I tried everything on the Sony website, but it hasn't worked. I'll be calling Sony on Monday, but if anyone knows any solution in the meantime, I'd appreciate it.

Edward Troxel
April 23rd, 2005, 10:34 PM
Put markers on the timeline for each chapter point. When you render, make sure you check the "Include Markers" option. These markers will then be used by DVDA as chapter points. This is true whether you use DV-AVI or MPEG2

A second way would be to use a batch rendering program to render to both MPEG2 and AC3 as a single step.

Use something like the Asset Collector in Excalibur which will also let you specify regions to render for motion backgrounds/buttons and pick still images that could be used as menus as well as the renders mentioned above.

Edward Troxel
April 23rd, 2005, 10:38 PM
Is the end-action of the video pointing to the correct menu?

Kevin Kwak
April 23rd, 2005, 11:22 PM
I finished rendering a photo montage on version 5 and the rendered video shows a different author name.


Format
wmv
3mbps video template
Best Video Rendering


And on the index/summary tab, I typed in all the information, and added my name for Author.
The rendered video shows "Luca's Film" as its author.

I rendered twice and checked options twice. What could be the problem?

David Ennis
April 23rd, 2005, 11:29 PM
You've come through for me again, Ed. I didn't realize that I had properties options for the video itself. Thanks!

Brian Kennedy
April 24th, 2005, 12:28 AM
It is working now and hopefully will continue to work. Here's what I did.

I uninstalled SF a second time. Then, before I reinstalled it, I ran Vegas and opened the "bad" veggie. I removed the filters from the one audio track that had Wave Hammer on it, saved the file, then quit. Rebooted, reinstalled SF. Opened SF to make sure Wave Hammer ran as normal in SF. It did. Exited SF and rebooted again, then tried Wave Hammer in Vegas. This time it worked.

So far so good, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will continue to work. Because of this hassle, I missed out on one of the few free nights I have to do some editing. Frankly, I'd rather have a dongle with the program than have such aggressive software piracy protection. I updated the firmware on my scanner recently -- that's the only thing I can think of that may have made a change to my computer configuration.

Dan Euritt
April 24th, 2005, 02:47 PM
what some people do is to set the camera up so that you can swap pics around in front of it, doing frame captures into your editor as you go... crop by zooming the camera in and out, make sure that you have the lighting set up to be non-reflective across the pic.

Dennis Liu
April 24th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Hi,

I'm doing a project now in which I want to take frames of a video (taking snapshots from the preview window in Vegas), then apply certain effects to these frames, then import them back into Vegas for animation at a lower frame rate (e.g. instead of 25 fps, down to 5 fps). Basically, doing the manual frame by frame thing. I've searched the forums, and am glad to find that it is easy to import 'image' sequences in one go as a single clip but is there a fast way of saving jpeg snapshots of a video (e.g. every 5 frames) from Vegas?

If not, is there another method?

Thank you for your help,
Dennis

Dennis Liu
April 24th, 2005, 07:41 PM
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=22704&highlight=rotoscoping

Sorry guys, I should have searched more carefully before posting this topic. DV Info forums are excellent... everyone is really helpful.

Thanks,
Dennis

Dennis Liu
April 25th, 2005, 02:05 AM
Hi,

I'm doing a project which is at 5 FPS. When I render to MPEG 1 or 2 for PAL (I'm in NZ), the output is 25 FPS. However, when I watch the finished clip, Vegas has somehow 'smoothed out' the motion. In other words, at 5 FPS I had a sort of 'jagged motion', but in the rendered clip at 25 FPS, Vegas seems to fill the frames in between (i.e. frames 2, 3, 4, 5 between 1 and 6) with blurry motion, when what I want is for frames 2-5 to be exactly the same as frame 1 (i.e. basically frame 1 held longer).

I know there is a way to change this, which is to manually stretch each video event to 4 frames long instead of one. However, I've exported to photoshop for filtering then imported as an Image Sequence (very useful), thus it's just ONE video event.

So I'm thinking, is there a way to render to 5 FPS for MPEG 1 and 2 (for distribution on VCD/DVD)?

Thanks,
Dennis

Rob Lohman
April 25th, 2005, 04:26 AM
What you would really want to do (with 25p footage that is!!) is interpret
the footage as 24p, not convert it. I'm not sure if Vegas 6 can do this, but
if the file is in AVI you can do it very easily with an external tool:

1. go to www.doom9.org

2. click on download in the left menu

3. go to the "AVI Editing tools" section and click on "show all AVI editing tools"

4. download the program called "Avifrate1.10"

5. extract the program from the ZIP file and run it

6. load the AVI file, the frame rate should say 25.000

7. change it to 23.976

8. apply changes

9. load the saved AVI into Vegas, the audio should be shorter than the video now

10. ctrl+drag (stretch) the audio out to the length of the video

You should now have a 24p AVI file of your 25p file. Keep in mind that you
do NOT want Vegas to do a pulldown on the AVI since it really is 23.976,
not 30p which needs a pulldown!!

Rob Lohman
April 25th, 2005, 05:44 AM
If you go into the advanced settings when exporting you should be able to
set a manual framerate (keep in mind that you can't play something like
this on a DVD player). If not, then select the custom template before going
into the advanced settings or you need to select some other option (I
remember something of a pulldown above these settings) in the advanced
screen(s).

Hugh DiMauro
April 25th, 2005, 09:16 AM
I've been a Vegas user since Vegas Video 3.0 and it's a fantastic program. I just installed Vegas 6 and noticed a slight interface appearance difference. Can somebody confirm or deny what I see so I know if it's normal?

I've noticed that the little triangles on the clip corners are missing. Is this normal or is something wrong with my software? I know this must sound stupid but I just want to make sure my software is working properly for warranty and replacement purposes.

Thanks a million for your responses.

Andre Andreev
April 25th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Any experience / advice on implementing copy protection with DVDA v.3?

The instructions in the help file refer to setting a flag on the burned DVD which would activate the copy protection at the replication facility.

Is there a way to copy-protect a DVD (using DVDA 3) on my PC, with my DVD burner?

Thank you.

-- Andre

David Kennett
April 25th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Derek,

I followed this post from the general PC editing area, and I'm not a Vegas user. I did a montage sometime back as somewhat of a "summary" where previous clips started at the center from infinity and appeared to fly by both sides of the frame. About 10 clips were on the screen at one time, with only 4 or 5 large enough to see clearly at one time There were about 30 clips total, and it ran about 15 seconds. To do this in Ulead Media Studio Pro, I attached a moving path to each clip (could be still). I could then move, size, distort, curl, roll (and more) any of these clips, while establishing key frames for complex motion. Up to 99 layers can be used at one time. I can't imagine that Vegas wouldn't have similar capabilities.

With 200 stills, you could possibly have 6 to 10 on screen at one time. Do a little arithmetic to judge running time. Use your imagination to "create" what you would like to do - then find the tool to do it! My guess you'll find it right there in Vegas.

Edward Troxel
April 25th, 2005, 02:24 PM
None of the copy protection schemes work with burned discs. Besides, they've all been broken anyway. Better to give them added value instead.

Edward Troxel
April 25th, 2005, 02:29 PM
There were a few changes made and it is now capable of using XP Themes. However, there ARE little triangles in the upper left and upper right corners of the events. They're small but they're there.

Dan Feder
April 25th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Hey, this is my first time at the forums, so sorry in advance if i'm asking a stupid question that there is already an answer available for somewhere.

I just got the trial of Vegas 6 (6.0a), and it won't start up. It installed perfectly, with dx9 and the .net 1.1 and SP1 for that, and when i booted it up the first time, it loads and then it just hangs on the vegas 6 splash screen which is titled Adobe Default Windows Sound Driver. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling several times, yet it hasn't fixed the problem yet. I also have Terminal Services enabled, which supposedly fixes some crashing problems with vegas, but I'm not even lucky enough to get crashing problems yet, seeing that i cannot open the program. Vegas 5 still works perfectly, and I haven't seen anybody with this problem on any other boards, so I'm wondering if i just did something wrong with the installation or something? Any help is appreciated.