Vegas 5:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?threadid=28430

Vegas 3/4:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?threadid=4092

Yep- I started a long thread a while back about this problem. Very frustrating- here's hoping to get it fixed in 6...because the problem traveled from 4 to 5 without being addressed.

I purchased the matrox rt. x10 a while back bundled with premiere because I got a pretty good deal. Iv not been liking premiere to much and have been thinking of going vegas. My question is, does anyone here have experience with matrox and vegas? is it an issue that it came with premiere, I mean does it work "better" with adobe? Just curious.

P4 3.2 Hyperthreaded
2gig Ram
Matrox rt. x10

Thanks!

Vegas does not use any of the hardware acceleration cards. In fact, unless it standard OHCI compatible, you won't even be able to use it. You're better off just using a standard firewire card.

Of course, part of the problem is DUPLICATING the problem. This one is one of those that may be impossible to duplicate in house unless they just happen to get one.

This would make the whole point of the matrox card usless then, so is the advantage of faster rendering/capturing given by the card, worth sacrificing for vegas?

To me, no. To some, yes. The increased workflow and greater stability means more to me than worrying about any rendering that must be done.


Hey Mark, you're only a couple hours away from me! We were in St. Louis last Sunday.

I also had bought the RTX10 with Premiere 6.5, a couple years ago. A nice deal, but when Vegas 4 came out I switched. The RTX10 was very hardware demanding, and I felt limited to the Matrox effects for Premiere regarding the realtime usage.
Vegas also offers realtime previewing which works very fine with. And the RTX10 doesn't have the fast MPEG2 rendering the RTX100 offers, so for rendering there was no reason the prefer the RTX10/Premiere combo. I have had both systems on my pc for more than a year. But after buying Vegas I never touched Premiere again. At the moment, Premiere and the Matrox card are removed from my system.

If i switched to vegas should I remove the card, orlet it be to use it for anolog stuff?

i have a couple of render files which are a perfect example, but i think that the next time i see this, ill do a camtasia capture and get it straight off the timeline..
might be the best way to get this out to sony..

if we cant reproduce it, we can at least show it..
..

So I got some music tracks from a friend, and I find out they're Aiff files, which apparently Vegas 4 can't read (when I try to import them into a project from the hard drive, I get a message about "problem importing blah blah, files are corrupt or of an unrecognized format". Now, I played one of these files, via the QT player, so I know they're okay.

I found some trial software to convert Aif to a variety of formats, so I tried to convert these files to MP3 using it, and when I played the converted, files, it was just noise, like static, all the way through. Apparently I don't know what I'm doing. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp.

You can keep the card inside for analog capturing. I remember a capture utility from Matrox you can use for that, that I think will work without having to start up Premiere. Check it out for yourself.

Quicktime Pro can easily convert, but it would cost a small amount of money. RAD Video Tools (shareware; Bink and Smacker) might also be able to do it.

I don't know if they fixed Vegas working with variable bit-rate mp3... personally I'd stick with wav. Constant bitrate mp3 should also work.

Vegas should also be able to import and convert... don't know what's happening there.

The free Audacity - http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ - can do this.

According to Sony's website, Vegas DOES support .AIF files.

It is possible that it uses Quicktime to open those files. Have you installed ALL of QT? (Including the authoring components - requires a "custom" install).

Personally, for analog captures I still prefer to capture via firewire and use a camera/convertor/deck to do the analog to digital conversion.

Can anyone tell me if Vegas has a setting for DV50 or 1:1 rendering? - Thanks, Jeff

You could render uncompressed (which is 1:1 compression?).

I don't think Vegas has a DVCPRO50 codec or 50mbps codec, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, I would think it would support that format, but every time I tried to import the files, it gave me the weird message.

If the files are truly NOT corrupt, I would check with tech support about it, then. They may want to see one of the files.

You could also e-mail one to me and I'd try it on my system.

Thanks, all.

Audacity did the trick; I converted the aif files to .wav files, and all is well. Vegas can see them, and the gods smile down upon me.

Ed, I may not have installed all the needed components last time I installed Vegas 4. I didn't do anything special during the installation, just picked a directory, told it to install, etc. If there's some special option you have to use to make all the QT components install correctly, I didn't do it.

It's not when installing Vegas - It's when installing Quicktime. When you install quicktime you MUST choose "Custom" and then pick all the options that the standard install leaves out - particularly the "Authoring Components".

I recommend reinstalling Quicktime, picking all the components, and then trying to put the .AIF file into Vegas again - just to see if it will work.

Ah. Gotcha. Will do. Thanks.

And later, the Bass says:

Well, when I downloaded quicktime to install it, there is no "custom installation" option. It just kinda does it for you. Is it hidden?

It should have the standard windows installation options of "Minimal", "Standard", and "Custom" or something like that. It's on one of the first few screens. You MUST pick custom or anything that uses the Quicktime engine will NOT work correctly.

I dont think it does---you might be able to download the Panasonic Pro/50 codec----I vaguely remember someone telling me it would work.

Could you explain a bit more on what you are doing there Edward?
My AC3 encoding skills aren't up to par yet <g>

The following may sound harsh, but it's not meant in such way,
but why do you care? What does it matter?

Basically, encoding to AC automatically lowers the volume by the amounts specified in those settings. If you do not want any lowering, change them as specified. There are others much more knowledgeable than me on the topic who, I'm sure, could explain how each setting in detail.

ive been told that the main concept dvcpro50 codec SHOULd bolt onto Vegas without a problem..

im yet to try this as im in the middle of 3 projects as i write thi s(its rendering) but the issue stems from teh bandwidth required for playback and rendering..

Sata and IDE just dont cut it im afrad.. a Sata raid might get away with it...

hell im using a Digisuite with a scsi raid array and its the only thing i can think of which can handle this apart from avid

maybe the axio system when its released wil be able to streamline sata raids, or vegas 6 might, considering its a full rebuild of the application, might be able to handle it on a dual xeon... who knows. this is just speculation...

This sounds like you have some settings wrong. Make sure your
project and export settings are both set to PROGRESSIVE (or none
for interlaced). Both are set to interlaced default!!!

Hello everybody!
I have a very bad results after rendering out in mpeg-1/VCD/ or even in mpeg-2/SVCD or DVD/. The rendered clip looks like it is loosing frames, i.e. it looks very bad even in slight camera movement. Of course, the problem doesn't exist in captured video file. My DV cam is PAL, the capture is in PAL, the project properties are set in PAL too. So,where is the problem? The link below consists of little grab of converted /rendered/ clip in mpeg-1 VCD format. Ok, don't pay attention on VCD quality. Just look at the frame movement, so ugly and shatered-like!

http://rapidshare.de/files/844959/example.mpg.html

Go to the link by clicking the LEFT mouse button, then go to the bottom of the loaded webpage and see SELECT YOUR DOWNLOAD. Choose FREE!!! Then go to the bottom of the newly loaded webpage and wait until countdown reaches 0 /zero/. Then the direct link will appear. That's all!
Also, this is just rendered clip, i.e. without any fx, etc.
Waiting for help!!!

MPEG-1 VCD will always look like a VHS tape (kinda).

First 4 major questions:

1) where do you want to show this on or how do you want to distribute? (If you just want to distribute your movie over the internet there is no reason to go with MPEG1 or 2)

2) which template did you use? Did you change *ANY* settings (advanced) when picking the template?

3) did you shoot progressive or interlaced? Did you match your project and export settings to this?

4) with, or on what, did you watch the resulting MPEG file?

Edit: I've downloaded and watched your file. This is a render at
50% resolution, but looked fine to my eyes. Nothing really bad
about it at all (besides the low resolution)!

Are you sure the player is not the problem here?

So, my template is: PAL Standard (720x576; 25,000 fps).

I think the project and export settings are ok. About progressive or interlaced: what is the matter when I shoot in PAL? I need mpeg format because of making a VCD/DVD.

Again, I told, don't look at the resolution quality, it is normal for mpeg-1. The problem is in the movement!!! You see that when there is a camera movement, the vision is so bad and inclear.

Actually you can not understand exactly what you are watching. That is the problem. If you see the captured clip, you can see so clear everything shooted without any kind of shattering or frame loosing. In other words: the trouble is that the rendered clip looks like highly motion blured, if you understand what I mean.

Also, do you think that the K-lite mega Codec Pack can be the reason for my problem?

So,please for more suggestions!

Progressive and interlaced have everything to do with this, it exists
in both PAL and NTSC. Which camera did you shoot this with?

Your standard PAL template is interlaced (if you are talking about
the project settings).

Which export template where you using? (for MPEG-2 / DVD!)

Again, you should not expect good results from VCD/MPEG-1.

Any camera movement also has motion blur, so depending on
shutter speeds while recording this amount will vary.

I do not know this codec pack.

You have not answered on what or with what you where watching
your footage.

p.s. the clip does NOT look like HIGHLY motion blured to me. Yes,
it has some motion blur when moving around (which is too fast
for most serious work anyway), but I don't see any problems with
it on my system.

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Progressive and interlaced have everything to do with this, it exists
in both PAL and NTSC. Which camera did you shoot this with?

Your standard PAL template is interlaced (if you are talking about
the project settings).

Which export template where you using? (for MPEG-2 / DVD!)

Again, you should not expect good results from VCD/MPEG-1.

Any camera movement also has motion blur, so depending on
shutter speeds while recording this amount will vary.

I do not know this codec pack.

You have not answered on what or with what you where watching
your footage.

p.s. the clip does NOT look like HIGHLY motion blured to me. Yes,
it has some motion blur when moving around (which is too fast
for most serious work anyway), but I don't see any problems with
it on my system. -->>>

My DV Cam is JVC GR DVL 520A and the footage is in excellent quality really. About PAL interlacing - what settings you recommend? Where to see about?
I watch the grab with Windows Media Player, with any players also. The result is the same on the TV too! Even worse, I think!!!
I can not understand: my DV cam shoots in PAL 25 fps, VCD PAL and DVD PAL too, but after rendering out the clip looks EXACTLY as frame loosed inside. I know that only the bitrate is different: in my DV Cam it is 30030Kb/s, in VCD - 1150Kb/s, DVD - 6000Kb/s. But I dont think that this is the general trouble!
Finally, K-Lite is the biggest mega codec pack in the world now, v1.20.

I'm sorry, but I just don't seem to be following this whole thing.

Choose an MPEG-2 export and pick a PAL template and go to
advanced. Set bitrate to constant bitrate (CBR) with a value of
8000. How does that look?

I think your camera is interlaced, so leave everything to interlaced.

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : I'm sorry, but I just don't seem to be following this whole thing.

Choose an MPEG-2 export and pick a PAL template and go to
advanced. Set bitrate to constant bitrate (CBR) with a value of
8000. How does that look?

I think your camera is interlaced, so leave everything to interlaced. -->>>

Would you explain more step-by-step, please:
1.where is ADVANCED option you mentioned above?
2.where is INTERLACED option too?

I don't use Vegas, but perhaps the way it works under Premiere Pro will help?:

When you create a custom presets, they are saved to a file under your user profile.

In Windows XP, a new "prfpset" file (usually named "Effect Presets and Custom Items.prfpset") is created under your user profile. Assuming default locations, it is under:

C:\Documents and Settings\profilename\Application Data\Adobe\Premiere Pro\1.5

where "profilename" is your user name. (Perhaps Vegas has application settings under the application data folder as well?)

In Premiere Pro, your presets are added under the Presets bin in the Effects window so that you can drag and drop them just as you would any other. You can create your own custom presets bin or leave them there.

If you wish to back up your custom presets file or move it to another system (or both), just copy the prfpset file. It also doesn't have to remain under your profile, you can place it under the Effect Presets folder, usually found at:

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Premiere Pro 1.5\Plug-ins\en_US\Effect Presets


(There must be a similar presets location with Vegas).

If you do move it (at least with PPro), you'll get another one when you save additional presets... so it is probably best to leave it where it is.

I hope this helps.

John

Hi,

I have a problem that’s driving me nuts. I have the JVC GR-PD1 (PAL version of the JVC GR-HD1). After filming in auto at HI RES 625/25p (High resolution the pal version can do) I capture and load that .m2t clip into Sony Vegas's media pool which goes fine. If I try preview the footage from the media pool or drag it onto the time line and play it there, the video stream plays back X2 faster than normal and audio lags behind.

When the footage is on the timeline, the audio is the standard length and the video is half the amount. If I do the above in 625/50p I don't encounter the problem so, it's like the video is in a slight fast forward and again, as a result the audio lags behind at the normal rate. This issue occurs if I capture with either D-VHS or Connect HD so doesn't seem to be a capture issue. If I rename the .m2t file to .mpg I can play it back at normal speed in windows media player. If I convert the HI RES .m2t file to .avi using Connect HD and play it back in windows medai player I get the same error X2 speed video, normal speed audio. I took some footage in 625/50p and didn't encounter this problem. The problem occurs when I go to the Hi Res mode of 625/25p.

Thanks in advance for any input.

You can definitely disregard my previous post! :-)

I installed Vegas and found that custom presets are saved in the registry under the key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DXTransform\Presets

Each plugin has a long id that corresponds to it (such as B432972D-E08D-11D2-BF8A-006097C9EBF7 which was used for MB Editors on my system). Presets corresponding to that plugin are saved as REG_BINARY values under the id key.

You should name your presets something very distinct so that you you will easily see them.

You can export your registry keys and merge them back if you ever need them (or want to transfer to another system). Be careful in the registry if you don't know much about it, however.

John

Just wondering if anyone's found anything?
I think the presets look kind of fake.

OK I found out why it's happening but still no luck finding a solution. The Vegas software is reading my PD1 Hi Res 25p footage at 50p and as a result playing it back twice as fast. Apparently I have to change a setting somewhere in Vegas to tell it that The .m2t file is 25p not 50p. Any help on how to do this would be fantastic. Any help on how or where to find a solution would also be great.

Cheers

For sepia tone, start with the color corrector.

Drag the three wheels to slightly different shades of orange/red. Drag the middle wheel with stronger strength than the others.

Once you get an idea of what you want, you can go into color curves and get more control that way. Color curves:
Select just the red curve. Make it concave down.
Select just the blue curve. Make it concave up, but with less strength than the red curve.
Add a point in the middle of the green curve. Adjust the tangent/slope of that point's tangent/slope control.

If you right-click the clip and choose properties, can you change it to the correct speed there?

Also, what would happen if you started capturing about two seconds farther into the tape (I'm assuming you probably just captured from the very beginning of the tape).

Thanks Glenn, David and Peter for your help. - Jeff

Not sure if this is possible in Vegas, but I think it is -- one of many ways sepia tone is created in Photoshop is to use a B&W file and to place a solid brown/orange color overlay in "color" blend mode and then reduce opacity to taste. In Vegas, I think you could reduce saturation of the video track to 0%, then have a solid color blend with it, couldn't you? As I said, I have not tried this.

<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Kennedy : Not sure if this is possible in Vegas, but I think it is -- one of many ways sepia tone is created in Photoshop is to use a B&W file and to place a solid brown/orange color overlay in "color" blend mode and then reduce opacity to taste. In Vegas, I think you could reduce saturation of the video track to 0%, then have a solid color blend with it, couldn't you? As I said, I have not tried this. -->>>

Based on your description, yes that could be done. There IS a sepia effect built into Vegas, though.

But why use dv50 if that's not what you get originally from a DV cam ? You will just use originally lower quality footage and put it in dv50. That will never make it better no ?

Frank

Hi, in Vegas 5, how would you be able to get the following effect (www.kevinkwak.com/vegaseffect.wmv)?

Thanks in advance!

The Stuttering Video tool in Tsunami should give similar results. There's also a similar tool in the Pixelan tool. To manually do this, add the same video on say three tracks and offset them a couple of frames. Lower the opacity on the top track to around 30% and the middle track to around 50%.

Play around with the opacity levels, offset distance/direction, and maybe even the number of tracks. The effect really works BEST with a stationary camera.