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Edward Troxel
March 31st, 2005, 09:23 PM
Unfortunately, you need to do them one at a time. Did you test it on a couple and did it work?

Kevin James
March 31st, 2005, 09:32 PM
Helped much! Thanks again Ed!



Now for the hard part....I'm trying to fly cookie cutter squares from off screen, but they seem to not want to go all the way off. Is there another tool I can fly from off the screen ? I am tring to segue from moving images to moving masks over a full screen image (black with small moving masks showing through to the under image) following the same movement pattern as the track motions.

Brian Handler
March 31st, 2005, 10:06 PM
I figured. I didn an install with it on a vegas version a few back and had some problems but 5 thus far seems very solid. I"m a user and fan of DVD architect so thought' i'd give it a shot.

Thanks.

Bob Costa
April 1st, 2005, 03:10 AM
You may want to check your bios settings. A lot of times, computers are shipped with "boot from diskette" turned off. That would mean system is still trying to boot from c drive. Are you seeing/hearing diskette drive activity when you boot?

Bryan Roberts
April 1st, 2005, 09:16 AM
Yes, when I was trying to boot, the 3.5 inch drive light came on and I heard disk activity.

Brian Kennedy
April 1st, 2005, 09:19 AM
Thanks, Edward.

Michael Best
April 1st, 2005, 12:27 PM
Any input would be great. I'm using an ATI 9600XT video card. DVI connection to primary monitor and VGA to secondary. When I employ the second monitor in Vegas the screen is real dark with a blue tint to it. I can't figure out why. Thank you

Fred Foronda
April 1st, 2005, 04:38 PM
In my project I have scenes where it speeds up and slows down. When I render it the video looks good on windows media player but when I brun it to dvd it don't look smooth or clean ( the speeding part) same goes with scenes that fades in and out. I tried changing the field order also. The final render is on avi file and the recorder is a sony dvd recorder gx7. NLE on vegas 4.0 Any feed back is appreciated.

Brian Kennedy
April 1st, 2005, 06:52 PM
Is it just in Vegas or on all programs? If it is that way in all programs, I don't think you can do much other than adjust the hardware color levels / brightness / contrast to taste. I don't think the PC allows for ICC color profiling of two monitors at the same time.

FWIW, my second monitor is not color corrected, while my "main" monitor is -- so the second monitor has a slightly different color balance to it. But since I use it only for tool palettes in programs like Vegas, Photoshop, etc., it doesn't really matter.

Also, just thinking -- you might see if your video "control panel" settings allow for different color curves. Mine doesn't.

Emre Safak
April 1st, 2005, 07:41 PM
I don't think the PC allows for ICC color profiling of two monitors at the same time.
I think it is possible, but you need the right profiling suite. I know ColorVision does not ('coz that's what I have), but I think GretagMacbeth and MonacoVision do.

Edward Troxel
April 1st, 2005, 09:37 PM
What happens if you turn on supersampling?

Steve Roffler
April 1st, 2005, 10:34 PM
Are you going through firewire to your video camera and then from your camera to the second monitor via s-video or composite? I believe that is the correct setup for previewing Vegas on an external monitor.

Steve Roffler
April 1st, 2005, 10:36 PM
I have got cookie cut images to move totally offscreen by setting the z values to -600 or -700 in the 3D track motion.

Fred Foronda
April 2nd, 2005, 03:56 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : What happens if you turn on supersampling? -->>>

Whats supersampling? Sorry but I'm a newbie.

Edward Troxel
April 2nd, 2005, 06:26 AM
search for "Supersample" in the help file. That will give you all the info you need to turn it on and explain what it does. However, it will drastically increase your render time.

Michael Best
April 2nd, 2005, 01:19 PM
Steve, yes as far as previewing on an external monitor but I'm referring to having the Vegas layout across two computer monitors. Thanks

Fred Foronda
April 3rd, 2005, 02:39 AM
fix it. its not vegas its the gx7 recorder's settings...changed it from SP to HQ looks good now. Thanks!!

Rob Lohman
April 3rd, 2005, 03:36 AM
I have a letterbox calculator and matte downloads available:

www.visuar.com/letterbox/calc.htm

I have no idea what could cause that white line you are describing.

Rob Lohman
April 3rd, 2005, 04:10 AM
Did this problem not happen when testing the workflow?

I would switch to work on the original source files. Yes it may be
a lot slower, but you should not have that problem at least!

Rob Lohman
April 3rd, 2005, 04:19 AM
Did you try to use any other interfaces? I have had my share of
(driver) problem with the m-audio sonica USB audio device. The
newer drivers never seemed to work (with digital out), the old
one that came with the CD did. You may want to play around with
driver versions etc.

Rob Lohman
April 3rd, 2005, 05:22 AM
Actually, the codecs do NOT need to respect aspect ratio (other
than to store the correct aspect ratio). The players need to
respect it. Windows Media Player doesn't even play DV in the
right aspect ratio (also with SVCD MPEG for example).

If you output to any other codec than DV AVI or MPEG-2 for DVD
then output at 1.0 pixel aspect ratio at the correct resolution.
Multiply the project PA with the horizontal resolution to get the
correct horizontal resolution.

MPEG-2 for DVD *DOES* need the correct pixel aspect, as does
DV AVI. Everything else, including all other AVI codecs, QuickTime,
Windows Media (HD) etc. should get a 1.0 PA.

Graham Bernard
April 4th, 2005, 04:54 AM
Is it down?

Grazie

Aaron Koolen
April 4th, 2005, 04:57 AM
Is for me yeah! Cool, guess that means they're updating it for the new Vegas 6 :)

Aaron

Graham Bernard
April 4th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Hiyah Aaron! Howzit hanging?

So you can'r get on either?

Oh yes Vegas 6 . . tick tock . . tick tock . . tick tock . .


Grazie

Edward Troxel
April 4th, 2005, 05:36 AM
It appears to be giving a SQL Server error message. I'm sure they will get it back soon.

Edward Troxel
April 4th, 2005, 06:13 AM
It's working again now.

Patrick Masters
April 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello to those I know from the Sony forums and to those that aren't, I look foward to meeting and conversing with you.

Hopefully this forum is as fun and informative as the Sony forum and I will try to do my part in making this place both.

Patrick

Edward Troxel
April 4th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Welcome, Patrick. This is a good group of people here. I certainly think it's fun and informative!

Chris Trainor
April 4th, 2005, 05:41 PM
1st off, want to say thanks to all the other vegas users out there who have answered questions along the way. have made working much more effecient.

now for the question:

i did a shoot of a concert with 3 dv cams. what is a good way to edit these together? i have done some similar shots on a linear system, where i could see all the shots on seperate monitors and basically did a live to tape type deal.

i am sure there is an effecient way to do this on vegas, where i can view all 3 cams @ the same time and grap the shots i want as i see them?

enlighten me?

Edward Troxel
April 4th, 2005, 05:51 PM
I have listed 4 methods for doing this in vol 1 issue 9 of my newsletter (link under my name). The absolute EASIEST way is by using Excalibur 4 (do a search here)

Patrick Masters
April 4th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Definitely nice to see a familiar face here and Ed is a stand up guy so I know this forum will be awesome.

Patrick Masters
April 4th, 2005, 06:00 PM
I can definitely vouch for Ed's program. Excalibur makes multicam editing easier than pie. I think the new version allows up to 33 cams to edit plus tons of other stuff. Awesome program.

Edward Troxel
April 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM
All versions have had the same upper camera limit. Each version has simply made the process easier and easier. The basic limit is the number of letters minus "M" plus the numbers for a total of 35. There are presets for up to 25.

Chris Trainor
April 4th, 2005, 08:44 PM
fantastic.

again, thanks!

Dennis Vogel
April 6th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Here's the link: http://mikecrash.wz.cz/

Good luck.

Dennis

Peter Moore
April 6th, 2005, 08:59 PM
So I'm using ConnectHD for Vegas and getting wierd results. Bad splotchiness. I'm not using VirtualDub as before - just straight Vegas. Also using the VASST preset - still happens.

Here's the problem. I take footage compressed into CFHD by Vegas. No problem there. Vegas does a fine job of converting the footage (as does the Cineform converter).

As soon as I do any processing on the footage, though, i.e., any recompression, I get bad splotchiness. See these pictures:

http://www.mooreusa.net/example1.jpg
http://www.mooreusa.net/example2.jpg

Example 1 is normal. Example 2 is minor reprocessing and recompression. Look at the splotchiness on the walls.

This is unusable. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong? I use the VASST preset - still has problems. I save as uncompressed AVI - no problem. Any other codec, for that matter - no problem.

Is this a problem inherent in CFHD? Does multiple recompression to CFHD cause this routinely? Is there another codec I could use that would withstand recompression?

Thanks for any help.

Peter

Peter Moore
April 6th, 2005, 09:42 PM
You know what? Screw this. I'm using QuickTime MJPEG-A at 100% quality. It's the same file size as ConnectHd and free and works perfectly.

Pete Cole
April 6th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Hello Folks, Does anyone know if in Vegas 5, I can render a clip, with the color of the blue or green screen designated as transparent. This would allow me to convert it in other software to an SWF movie file and use it as an overlay with another scene as background in Flash. Thanks, Pete.

Josh Bass
April 6th, 2005, 11:33 PM
So I have two short films at this time that are over five minutes. When I attempt to play these, as AVI files, in Realplayer or Windows Media player, the time on both files is listed as 4:42.

These AVIs were created in Vegas 4, with the NTSC DV Codec. I'm wondering if there's a better codec to use in Vegas when making an AVI?

I wouldn't care that much except that it affects my Roxio DVD builder software, causing those movies to stop playing at the 4:42 mark.

Glenn Chan
April 7th, 2005, 12:32 AM
I assume your target destination is Flash.

Flash may not handle video with transparency all that well (performance issues). It does handle video, and it does handle transparency.

If you want to get something into Flash, use a format that has an alpha channel or supports transparency (I use the two terms interchangeably; there might be some technical difference between the two words that I don't know of).

Still formats:
TGA
GIF
PNG

Video formats:
Quicktime with Animation codec
AVI with animation codec
Vegas: uncompressed with custom setting to enable alpha channel. (warning: very big files!!!)

I don't think the animation codec is in Vegas.

Steve Roffler
April 7th, 2005, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure if I understand what's wrong but Windows Media Player does not like AVI files.

For playback on media player, render as a WMV file. For DVD, you eventually want to generate a MPEG-2 file. Vegas has options to encode all these formats.

Josh Bass
April 7th, 2005, 01:00 AM
Well, when I build the DVDs, I just link the titles to the AVI files, and Roxio does the MPEG rendering. The results so far have been fine quality-wise, except for this issue.

Sorry if I didn't explain well enough.

When I burn the DVDs, Roxio is, for some reason, not recognizing that the files are longer than 4:42. When you play the movie from the DVD, at 4:42 it just ends.

So you guys think I should render the MPEG-2s first?

Peter Moore
April 7th, 2005, 10:27 AM
FYI, QuickTime seems to be working well. A little slower than CFHD, but fine otherwise.

I thought CFHD was supposed to be so good. But even after using HDLink to convert the M2Ts, I notice a distict quality difference between that and the original M2T and between CFHD versus QuickTime MJPEG-A. QT is so much better and the same file size. Again, I ask, am I doing something wrong or does CFHD just suck with multi-generational compressing?

Danny Santos
April 7th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Thanks Dennis, I will check it out.

Emre Safak
April 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM
If you have DVD Architect, you should probably render them first because the Mainconcept codec in Vegas is supposed to be one of the better ones. I do not know what Roxio uses...

Patrick Masters
April 7th, 2005, 02:55 PM
IMHO, Cineform just sucks. I render my stuff out to Sony YUV and I dont see any quality loss as you do with Cineform. Maybe a tad bit bigger but quality is what you want to keep. I am assuming NAB will answer our problems.

Edward Troxel
April 7th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Josh, it sounds like the other programs are limited to 1 Gig. 4:42 is the length of time for 1 Gig.

The AVI files I make in Vegas play back just fine for the entire length. Perhaps you're not using the built-in Sony codec? I don't know what settings you've changed. You can revert Vegas back to default by holding down CTRL-SHIFT while you start Vegas.

Also, why are you using Roxio to encode to MPEG2? The MPEG2 encoder in Vegas is better. Just encode in Vegas. Also, you will get better results building the DVD in DVD Architect than Roxio. Do you have DVD Architect?

Josh Bass
April 7th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Don't own any version of DVD architect.

I gotta tell you, except for this issue, the DVDs coming out of Roxio have been flawless. Great picture quality, etc.

As I said, I'm using the NTSC DV codec when I create these AVIs. If there's a better one, let me know.

I'm loathe to reset everything to default 'cause I'll lose all my custom stuff, but I'll try it.

If I encode the MPEG-2s in Vegas, what settings do you guys recommend? Roxio does it all for me, so I have no idea what it's doing. I just know it looks, for all intents and purposes, on all the TVs I've watched on, like it's not compressed it all, (though I know it is). Looks real good.

Tony Rockliff
April 7th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I can't seem to find the answer.

I can insert time but I can't find where I can delete time (in a section where there are no events on the timeline) - like where I want to move the whole movie closer to 00:00:00:00 without having my chapter markers change their relative positions. Delete with ripple only seems to work with events.

Also, when I insert time, the chapter markers do lose their positions - is there any way to lock markers to timeline events? And to move events with their markers?

Thanks,

Tony

Jay Mitchell
April 7th, 2005, 04:42 PM
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