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Dennis Liu
April 25th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Hi Rob,

Thanks for the tip. Is there anyway to automate a process which STRETCHES each image sequence by duplicating each frame x number of times? Or is manual dragging each frame individually on the timeline the only way to do it?

:oS

Dennis

EDIT: I figured it out. Basically I'll have to re-import all the images as SEPARATE IMAGES, then change the 'New still image length' in Preferences (Editing) to 5 frames (at 25fps) and drag all the individual images onto the timeline in one go. This should do the trick.

Edward Troxel
April 25th, 2005, 05:28 PM
What's an "Adobe Default Windows Sound Driver"? Does it start after doing a reboot? Can you do something to get rid of the Adobe setting?

Danny Santos
April 25th, 2005, 07:00 PM
I just rendered and created 2 mpg2 files in Vegas 5. For DVD authoring, I used Sonic MYDVD to create the DVD. Unfortunately, my DVD player will not play it although in the past I have created DVDs and used the same player. The many DVDs I created using Pinnacle Studio 9 and Sonic MyDVD has been successful on this player and other player in the house.

So, what am I doing wrong?
1. Does Vegas 5 support +R. +RW discs?
2. Would it be my MPG2 rendering setup? I am using the standard/default setup such as:
Save File as: MainConcept MPEg2
Template: DVD NTSC
Video Rendering Quality: Good
Frame Rate: 29.97
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 Display

Anyone please. Thanks.

Dan Feder
April 25th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Thanks for the help but turns out that I was just not paying attention closely enough. The Splash Screen for Vegas 6 comes up above any other window, and it came up above that adobe sound driver window. That window was an error saying that I didn't have my audio in line active, and after realizing that i could move that error window out from behind the splash screen, I was in business. I think the new version of vegas is great, and I'm glad that I am able to use it now with no problems at all.

Edward Troxel
April 25th, 2005, 08:49 PM
1. Vegas 5 does not author or burn DVD's so it doesn't have anything to do with +R or +RW discs.

2. It DOES create valid MPEG2 files, though.

Edward Troxel
April 25th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Good to hear you got it working.

Peter Jefferson
April 25th, 2005, 08:59 PM
what this means is that you may have previously installed Prem Pro on ur system and with it, inadvertanly installed an proxy ASIO driver which is conflicting with yrou existing ASIO drivers through a soundblaster card or any other card using ASIO HW drviers...

there is a fix for it, but right now, my net connection isnt letting me get to my other forum to fish it out for you..

stay tuned...

Peter Jefferson
April 25th, 2005, 09:05 PM
there are many factors in ths situation.. primarily the media you are using, and the dvd authoring tool

some dvd players flat out refuse to play a disc for its make, while others wont play them due to the file system...

you wont get 100% compatibility with every disc u make...

one thing to note though, is that dvd architect1/2/3 has been designed with the DVDForum specs specifically for compatibility. Its file system protocol is identical to a commercial dvd, which gives it an advantage on the other aplications when it comes to compatibility...

to save burning coasters, an idea is to use rewriteable dvd's as masters

Chris Trainor
April 26th, 2005, 12:23 AM
I wrote into this forum earlier this week about slow rendering in V5.

A 25 min clip, 80% mp2 and remaining avi's, no effects (pre-rendered) and a few masks, estimated time to render to mp2 = 14 hours. Does that sound accurate? I just dont recall rendering moving so slowly.

So my question:

I capture as full frame avi. Should I do all the editing, correcting, etc as an avi, then render it down to a 'flattened' avi or mp2 then insert, or import the footage into an existing project, work on it, then render the whole thing at once? Does this make sense? It is late and my computer is slow.

Chris Trainor
April 26th, 2005, 12:26 AM
what about rendering to another drive?

I have another internal 80 gig and an external firewire lacie. Any chances that would speed it up? Just got handled the probably impossible deadline...

Chris Trainor
April 26th, 2005, 02:47 AM
I have made desperate attempts on this board and other to try to determine what is going on.

I tried to render an identical clip on a laptop (that I no longer have access to!!) and it completed right at five minutes. My xeon p4 cpu maxed out to 100% on the same clip, after 13 minutes I cancelled.

What could cause this? It has been working flawlessly until recently. I would gladly reformat the entire machine and start from scratch, but I have a deadline for Wed night I have to meet and cant handle a 19 hour render on a 26 min video. Reinstalled Vegas with no avail.

Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated.

Rob Lohman
April 26th, 2005, 02:52 AM
1. which version of Windows?

2. which version of Vegas?

Did you change ANYTHING at all? Xeon's are server processors and I don't
know if these are on the supported list for example (although in theory it
shouldn't make a difference, of course).

Bob Safay
April 26th, 2005, 04:01 AM
Hey guys, thanks. This is just what I needed. Thanks again. Bob

Rob Lohman
April 26th, 2005, 05:48 AM
When you say mp2 you mean MPEG-2? mp2 is MPEG-1 layer II audio, not
MPEG-2 video/audio. 14 hours to render to MPEG-2 might be right, you did
not tell us how long this movie is.

Personally I would not go out to AVI first and then to MPEG-2 unless you
are using an external encoder (like Canopus ProCoder). Vegas can read
MPEG-2 just fine.

As I always say: MPEG-2 encoding is an art, it takes lots of time and practice,
both from the encoder and the person operating it. Do not expect perfect
"hollywood-dvd-quality" in an hour or something.

Hugh DiMauro
April 26th, 2005, 06:04 AM
Ever since I applied the 6.0a upgrade from the Sony website, I have my beloved triangles back. Thank you for your reply.

Just so you know, when this happened to me last year with Vegas 5, you told me to re-boot and the triangles would return. You were right! But this time, they didn't until I upgraded to 6.0a from the Sony Media website.

Edward Troxel
April 26th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Yes, always edit in DV and then do the final render to MPEG. You do NOT want to edit MPEG because rendering from MPEG to MPEG will cause every frame to be decompressed and recompressed. Stick with DV until the final render!

Edward Troxel
April 26th, 2005, 08:05 AM
Do a search for "Boris" on the Sony site. This problem was mentioned there as well.

You might also try an uninstall/reinstall and see if you can point it to where Vegas 6 is located. I'd do the search first, though. There was something about a couple of dlls also needing to be copied.

James Lilly
April 26th, 2005, 10:58 AM
I'm looking at upgrading from 5 and was wondering if anyone new anything about the audio enhancements for 6. They say they have something like Tape-style audio scrubbing? What does that mean? It also indicates you can now edit audio without opening it up in a seperate application?

Edward Troxel
April 26th, 2005, 11:15 AM
Vegas does not replace Sound Forge so I'm not sure what you mean by "editing audio without opening it up in a seperate application". It WILL still allow you to add effects to the audio just as it always has.

Perhaps the best thing to do would be to read here:
http://dspcdn.sonypictures.com/readmes/vegas60a/vegas_readme.htm

Specifically listed under "Audio" is:
Option to ignore fact chunk when opening compressed WAV files
VST effect support
Playhead timeline scrubbing
Broadcast Wave Format (BWF) import

Chris Trainor
April 26th, 2005, 11:27 AM
xp with sp2.

and vegas 5.

havent changed anything, really. my machine is not a dedicated workstation (it will be from now on!) so I do other tasks on it. but vegas is the only app that really spikes the processor.

should i wipe it clean with the quickness so i can finish this project??

Edward Troxel
April 26th, 2005, 03:20 PM
An update to Excalibur 4 has now been released and can be downloaded from:
http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/download/excalibur4_1.exe

This update is free to all owners of Excalibur 4.0. The following changes were made:

Version 4.1
1. Fixed the Save Veg Wizard to use the proper month (was one off)
2. Changed the Save Veg Wizard so that the month and day would have a leading zero if less than 10.
3. Fixed possible error after entering an incorrect full release registration key.
4. Fixed conflict when running both Excalibur 4 and the Veggie Toolkit.
5. Fixed selection problem in Time Bandit.
6. Fixed problem opening the "About" screen if the registration key was too short.
7. Fixed problem for countries not using mm/dd/yyyy date format.
8. Changed Asset Collector options to default to "None" if no other settings are set as default.
9. Added check to verify the MasterTally and MasterTally2 tracks still exist when running the camera switches.
10. Fixed Sync Wizard so it would work in standalone mode
11. Fixed Velocity Wizard so the Freeze Frame box works
12. Fixed the Create New Camera Wizard to reference the correct DLL name.
13. Fixed Align A/V so it will check if a video or audio event is not selected.
14. Fixed Multi-Cam to ignore blank markers.

Don Donatello
April 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM
"Template: DVD NTSC"

try using template DVD ntsc video stream

Tung Bui
April 27th, 2005, 05:22 PM
I'm running vegas 5 at the moment and I'm thinking of getting a new laptop. With this new laptop I want to try out network rendering. I did a search here and did not find a definitive answer as to the magnitude of the improvement in render times with network rendering. I run a desktop with a 3GHz P4 and plan to get a 1.7GHz centrino on the laptop. Will I see a dramatic improvement in render times ie 2x as fast or small like 10 or 20% faster?

Now with dual processors am I correct in saying it is only good for mpeg2 encoding? what I read is that it farms out the video and audio to seperate processors but since audio doesnt need as much processing it wastes the power of one of the processors.

thanks

Don Donatello
April 27th, 2005, 09:33 PM
for most rendering you will NOT see faster rendering using 2 computers unless you have applied several fx's to every frame in project .. you will see longer render times on many projects using 10-100 network using 2 computers as one computer must load the frames in over the network - render them - then send them back over network .. it all depends on the project and how many fx's used .. if no FX's then one computer will beat 2 computers every time because the network would be slower then current hard dives can read/write.. i think a 10-100 network is 12mgs tops where new hard drives can read/write 45-55mgs

you cannot use distribute rendering ( rendering done by both computers on one project with mpegs ) .. dolby AC3 cannot use NRS ...you could use NRS to assign mpeg rendering to either computer and that one computer would render the whole project. you can also use NRS to line up several rendering jobs = before going to bed queue up several render jobs and when you wake up they will be finished

dual processors would work well = using one processor to render a project while you use the 2nd to continue editing ... or you could assign both to render .. or if the have hyper threading then ?? i'm not sure about V5 but V6 w/XP would be fooled into seeing 4 cpu's ...

Chris Hurd
April 27th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Off topic for Donatello... did I tell you how happy I was to see you at NAB?

Great to see you here, too!

;-)

Peter Jefferson
April 27th, 2005, 10:58 PM
"dual processors would work well = using one processor to render a project while you use the 2nd to continue editing ... or you could assign both to render .. or if the have hyper threading then ?? i'm not sure about V5 but V6 w/XP would be fooled into seeing 4 cpu's ..."

u can even do this without HT CPUs...
another thing is that you can work on the same project while THAT SAME PROJECT renders a loop region... it saves alot of time later on..

Gary Kleiner
April 28th, 2005, 01:13 AM
The problem with having a significantly slower computer as part of your network render setup is that it will wind up working on relatively few segments as they are assigned as each computer is ready to work on them. At the end of the segment rendering process, most likely the fast computer will wind up with nothing to do while waiting for the slow computer to finish up its last segment.

Gary

Kim Kinser
April 28th, 2005, 08:50 AM
Somehow I have clobbered my settings so now I can not see any event fx results in the preview window.

Any idea what I've done or how to undo it?

Thanks,

KIM

Ken Plotin
April 28th, 2005, 09:08 AM
Kim,
Right click on the green event FX icon on the clip. Make sure that it says "enable all" instead of "bypass all". I sometimes disable FX to make the preview run faster and forget to enable them again.
Hope this helps.
Ken

Edward Troxel
April 28th, 2005, 09:22 AM
It could also be the "Split Screen View" button just above the preview screen. Make sure it is NOT selected.

Kim Kinser
April 28th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Thank you both. Problem resolved thanks to your suggestions. Now if I can get this flop sweat off my keyboard ....

Mike Moncrief
April 28th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Hi all,

I want to install vegas 6 on my machine (in a different folder of course) but i am a little bit wary to do so, as i have a clients project that i am in the middle of on V5 and DVD Architect 3..But It is very tempting to try out the new software..( I am chomping at the bit) Anybody try it ?/ Any conflict,problems?? Any problem loading a Vegas 5 veg in Vegas 6?? How about a DVD Architect 2 project into DVD Architect 3 ??
Should I wait??

thanks,
Mike M.

Plamen Petrov
April 28th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Hi there,
Would somebody explain how to set Vegas 6, so that to use a tv monitor via my miniDV cam? I heard that this is possible after connecting the DV camera to firewire, then to TV set or monitor. If this is so, what are the settings in Vegas for that reason? I tried References>Preview Device>OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394/DV, but there was not any audio and video signal to the TV through the DVcam. So,some suggestions?
Thank you in advance!

Plamen Petrov
April 28th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I have both Vegas 5 and 6 installed together in one and same general folder SONY. Of course, then there are two separate folders - Vegas 5 and Vegas 6. Now there is not matter what version I would work with. All the plug-ins, settings, presets are ok for both v5 and v6. Only the scripts are needed to be placed into dedicated Vegas 6 directory /folder/. Go ahead!!!

Gary Kleiner
April 28th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Seem like you have it set up right. Did you hit the external preview button on the preview window? Was the video showing in the camera? Audio will NOT preview through the camera, but through your sound card.

Gary

Edward Troxel
April 28th, 2005, 10:45 PM
I always install to the default folders. When doing that, there is NO problems having multiple versions installed. My other laptop has Vegas 4, Vegas 5, and Vegas 6 installed and all run fine.

Mike Moncrief
April 29th, 2005, 06:39 AM
Hello,

Ok thanks guys.. I think i will install it.. Yippee!!

Mike

Marko Zorec
April 29th, 2005, 07:12 AM
Hello...

I am making some videospots for my music band and I have a problem with one thing: I want to make some shots play in slow motion (like in the most of videospots, or some fight scenes in matrix)... But slow motion, which I can get from my takes in Vegas 5.0, isn't good for me... It isn't smooth, if you know what I mean... I make it like this: just move down speed of playing a shot from 1 to let's say 0,75... And it isn't smooth...

I made a test with both modes on GL2: frame and normal. Is it better to do that things with normal mode?

Or must I buy some PLUG-IN for Vegas or use some other programs (Premiere?)...

Thanx a lot for the answers...

Marko

Hendy Witanto
April 29th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Why sometimes I can not open Avi files in Vegas? It only read sound, but not the video.... I know, thah can be because of some codecks in the avi files, but which one (codeck) is problematic???
I have instaled almost every codecks (divX, Xvid, 3ivX, sorenson, mpeg, quicktime etc...)

thanks

Plamen Petrov
April 29th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Seem like you have it set up right. Did you hit the external preview button on the preview window? Was the video showing in the camera? Audio will NOT preview through the camera, but through your sound card.
Gary

Nooo, just there is not any video signal, even in the camera. I knoe that I adjusted the settings properly. But there is one thing in my mind: have I to place the cable in different jack of the firewire? I think that firewire is in/out plug at the same time. Or not???

Emre Safak
April 29th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Probe it with GSpot or avicodec.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky
April 29th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Edward Wrote:

>>>My other laptop has Vegas 4, Vegas 5, and Vegas 6 installed and all run fine.

Edward,

Is there a specific tool/technique or advantage in keeping Vegas 4 around?

I am guessing that you may have a vendor-service need related to Excalibur users who may still be using Vegas 4, but for your own work, does Vegas 4 still see some use?

Thanks,

Brian

Glen Elliott
April 29th, 2005, 11:01 AM
Hi there,
Would somebody explain how to set Vegas 6, so that to use a tv monitor via my miniDV cam? I heard that this is possible after connecting the DV camera to firewire, then to TV set or monitor. If this is so, what are the settings in Vegas for that reason? I tried References>Preview Device>OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394/DV, but there was not any audio and video signal to the TV through the DVcam. So,some suggestions?
Thank you in advance!

What cam is it? It might not support pass-though.

Everard Wijdeveld
April 29th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Dear Vegas Users

I would like to make DVD's with Vegas 5 which fit my TV screen better, without losing the edges of my DV.

I have figured out a way to go about it. Please assist me and advise if I am doing the right thing.

I use the PAL video event pan/crop and change the 4:3 Standard TV aspect ratio to the position 780.0 : 639.1. This make the video tracks fit the outer safe preview area very nicely. The whole track is visible and it appears fine during preview. No doubt a small black frame will appear if I watch this dvd later on my pc monitor, but I hope it will look better (the whole picture) on TV.

Please advise:
a) Am I doing the right thing?
b) Is there an easier and better way?
c) Will it affect the quality of my final rendered DVD?
d) Should I change the rendering setting if I use this Vegas video event like this?

Many thanks for your help

Greetings from New Zealand
wijdeveld@xtra.co.nz

Gary Kleiner
April 29th, 2005, 11:31 AM
TVs oversacn, cutting off a bit of the image. Every TV is a bit different in how much overscan it has.That's the way the world is.

If you customize your DVD to a particuar TV, what happens when you get a new set or take it over to aunt Jane's house?

Gary

Dan Euritt
April 29th, 2005, 12:01 PM
that sounds like a rendering nightmare, and it could only degrade the picture quality... the object is to do least amount of rendering possible.

there must be something wrong with your source footage, to make you want to do that? maybe take a raw freeze frame of your source, then post it so we can see how bad the overscan area is(?)

Jim Montgomery
April 29th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Just downloaded Ultimate S from the VAAST site and had a question about photo montage.

Does Montage time the video to the music video based on the Ruler Properties settings or does it just "know".

Thanks for the help

Jim

Edward Troxel
April 29th, 2005, 12:32 PM
I never open it except for TWO circumstances:

1) To test an older version of a script
2) To answer a question someone has asked and THEY are still on Vegas 4 so I need to confirm if a feature was actually IN Vegas 4 or was added later.

Edward Troxel
April 29th, 2005, 12:33 PM
One codec not on your list is MJPEG. That's the format used by many still cameras.

Edward Troxel
April 29th, 2005, 12:35 PM
There should only be ONE firewire jack on the camera. Plug it in the same place you do for capture.

Can you print to tape with this camera? Is there a menu setting that has to be changed to allow firewire INPUT?