The originial file was in sync

i cut and pasted by highlighting the parts that i wanted...

What if you try this: Place the ENTIRE mpg file on the timeline and render it to DV-AVI. Now cut up the DV-AVI file. Does that work better?

Remember, mpeg is NOT a good editing format.

Yes, it is sync now.. Thank you

Another notch in your Colt, Edward.

for info on Color Correction in depth that applies to all NLE's look for the book

Color Correction for Digital Video: Using Desktop Tools to Perfect Your Image
by Steve Hullfish, Jaime Fowler

http://www.cmpbooks.com/product/1220

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i use Video Arts in san Francisco ..

note: that Video arts transfer to Beta Sp by you rendering a 10bit BM codec NOT 8bit .. they then transfer to digibeta 1st then dub to Beta SP ..

So to make a correction in my above post .. when you render for beta SP check with your production/post house on if they want 10bit or 8 bit ..AND if 8 bit i believe the real pixels are 640x486 for beta SP not 720x486 .. again check with your place doing the transfer ...

now i do know that video arts keeps the digibeta used to transfer the project to beta SP for awhile ( 6 months that i know of ) at any time you can have other copies made from it ..and they will sell you the digi beta for a excellent price ...

Hello!

I have used Premiere 6.5 before and never had any problems with the playback...

Now I have switched to Vegas 5.0d. I already found out about the PAL capture problem (Minimum Clip Lenght) and solved it... Now the captured files cannot be watched in any way in the regular Preview window. You can see them wobbling around skipping 3 seconds on 1 second of playback.. I already tried using a different preview mode (default is Preview (Automatic)).

I have heard so many great things about Vegas... right now, it's just a little frustrating :) .

Thank you!

Matthias

thanks for the advice

Straight DV-AVI with NO effects/changes made to it should play back at full framerate. If it does not do so then something else is going on. For example, is the hard drive in PIO mode instead of DMA? Is something else running in the background eating up CPU time? What are the system specs? Previewing to preview screen or external monitor?

Just downloaded the updated V6b...I already have the "a" version installed. Should I uninstall the existing program or overwrite into the same directory?
Thanks -db

It should automatically find and patch a to b without you doing anything since it is still the same major version(6). I just did this without any issues. No need to deinstall.

Bryan

What seems to be the best settings for rendering in Vegas for the following?

1. Codec - In the video device tab in preferences - what is the best codec to use? Cinepak, NTSC DV, Mainconcept? or would it be better just to save as .AVI and compress in TMPGenc (which is what I've always used before Vegas - and seems to do a wonderful, quick job).

2.In project properties, should I deinterlace my footage with "blend fields", use a deinterlace plugin, or what?

3.And does it make a real difference if the full-resolution rendering quality is set to "best" vs. "good"?

I'm using Vegas 5.0b and rendering out footage shot with my PD170.

thanks!

Are you putting PAL clips into a NTSC timeline by any chance?

If you look at video preview window, it should say something like Project: 720X576X32 25.000i (I think those are the numbers for PAL).

humm....the download is 90+megs. Did you download a patch or the entire b download..
David Bird

The updates are full installs. If you had NOTHING installed, you could install directly to 6.0b. If you have 6.0a installed, it will be UPDATED to 6.0b. Either way, just install 6.0b.

#1) depends on what you are wanting to do. When I am printing to tape, I render as DV-AVI. When I'm making a DVD, I render to MPEG2. When making something for the web, WMV. It all depends on your current task which you haven't defined here.

#2) I have left these at the default settings

#3) Unless you're doing photo montages or something using very hi-res images with scaling, you don't need "Best" - stick with "Good".

Thanks for your help....
David

excellent - I'll give them a call.

Milt

I am doing various projects in Vegas right now, one being a wedding, but everything I do goes to DVD, not the web or back to tape, and I want the best quality.

Thanks for the response Edward - still curious about the codec to use out of the MANY in the Vegas dropdown box. I guess since Cinepak is first, maybe it's best??

If you are going to DVD, you want to create MPEG2 files - NOT AVI. Even if I were creating an AVI file I'd use the standard NTSC-DV (assuming US standards).

Go to File - Render As. As the "Save As type", pick MPEG2. Under the presets, choose one of the DVD Architect settings and then go to custom and don't change anything except the average bitrate. This needs to be modified to match the length of your video.

I have how to create a DVD written up in one of the issues of my newsletter (I think Vol 1 #7 without looking to verify). Just click on the link under my name.

I have a DivX file with an avi extension that plays just fine with the DivX player, but when I bring it into Vegas, the video is about a quarter as long as the audio track and there is no audio. It is just a straight line. Any suggestions?

MITCH

Try converting it. Someone on the Sony forum suggested virtualdub. Use a lossless codec like huffyuv, or use DV.

RAD video tools converting it to uncompressed AVI worked for me, but I suspect virtualdub works better.

Version 6.0a worked fine on one computer but the media manager would crash continually on the second computer.

After I installed version B both crash on startup. anybody know why?

do u have acid5 installed??
also have u ever installed acid5??

im also gettin this problem and its a known issue..

heres some feedback from sony

Im still investigating the issue from this end, hopefully theyll find a workaround..

"Some of you have reported having stability issues with the Media Manager
active. If this is you, it is recommended that you completely uninstall
Vegas 6, all versions of the Sony Media Manager, and, if present ACID
Pro 5, and then reinstall ACID Pro 5 (current version on our website)
and this, build #110 (or any later build) of Vegas 6. This should ensure
that no beta or mismatched shared Media Manager components are residing
on your system.

i actaully use Main concept Main Actor 5.2 if i need it as DV, or if i jsut want to convert it, i use ManConcepts mpg converter

Thanks Peter. I did everything you said and it did work.......sort of........Acid worked fine after the reinstall. Vegas sort of works better. it doesnt freeze when I open up small veg files but still freezes on the bigger veg files.

small file is about 16kb and big is considered 68kb.

so there is still something wrong; however, i did find that if i unselect the "automatically open up last project" option in the preferences window then Vegas starts up a lot better.

I feel like throwing the system out the window. hehe.

Brandon,
As Edward has said, if you are going to DVD output, render to DVD compliant mpeg2. This means you won't have to rerender and thus lose quality. The only time you shouldn't is if you render to an uncompressed file for compression in a third party compressor (Cinema Craft Encoder, etc).
I only ever use two codecs in Vegas: Mpeg2 for DVD, AVI-PAL for print to tape. Oh, also AC3 and WAV audio.

About deinterlacing, if you require it, visit http://mikecrash.wz.cz/. He has written a vegas filter based on the Smart Deinterlacer for virtualdub you can try.

I thought Vegas 6.0 could recognize the nonsync'ed audio by turning the clip ink..of course only with an original file ? Or is it only for AVI ?

Vegas 6 will do that if the two pieces are moved out of sync. However, it the playback STARTS out of sync, there's no way for Vegas to know.

hello,
does anybody have experience with the settings in Divx and 3ivx to make this both codecks working well? I realized problems in Vegas, when there are instaled this codecks.... rendering is so much slower, sometimes the result is not smooth...

thx.

Has anyone used the Black Magic Design board with Vegas 6 yet? If so, how do you like it?

I've scoured the manual but cannot find any key-command or other way to jump to the next marker. Is there one?

Thanks,

Tony

FWIW, I have Acid Pro 5 and I installed Vegas 6 with no problems.

Good luck.

Dennis

The Eqium plug-in does this beautifully without degrading your sound.

http://www.elementalaudio.com/products/eqium/index.html

I used it on some acoustic guitar tracks that had ground hum and it completely removed it. It has presets just for this that notch out the 60hz and up to 7 ever-decreasing harmonics above it.

Tony

Control-left arrow, Control-right arrow. If no markers are set it goes to start of track and end of track.

Good luck.

Dennis

Thanks very much!

I know this is a dumb question but Vegas defaults to a progressive timeline setting.If I want to keep my timeline interlaced what are the propre settings.upper field first?

DV is lower field first.

To change your settings, go to file - properties, change the settings as desired, and check the box thats says "start all new projects with these settings".

I NEVER encode in vegas. I render to a PAL DV file, then do ALL my transcoding work in Canopus Procoder. Means I have a full resolution/bitrate original I can always work with again, and also IMO Procoder handles encoding better than Vegas (or any other mid priced NLE for that matter.)

If I want something to look its very best, then undoubtedly it goes to CCE SP.

I have found that the cleanest way to get the coveted 24p look with a 30p camera is to slow the clip by 80%. Whether or not this will allow me to break into Hollywood is still up in the air ;-)

But I do like the look a little more than 30p, and it is more easily converted to film and all that. So for clips without much talking (as the talking will become distorted) I slow the vid down through the properties menu and the playback speed option by 80%.

Now, one would think that by slowing the audio down by 80% (in Sound Forge it is a "120% length increase") it would end up the same length. But not even close. It has to be lengthened by 124.88%, a seemi8ngly arbitrary number.

1) Can someone tell me why this is, and

2) is there a better way to do this within the confines of Vegas 6 without the mess?

In the end, it never syncs perfectly, but it always ends up within a frame or two.

Thanks for your help,

DJ Kinney
djkinney@gmail.com

Cam: Canon GL2
Software: Sony Vegas 6
Ship: Leviathan

The hum is no doubt 60 Hz or 120 Hz. Typical sound programs offer menu-selectable "notch filters" to remove those frequencies without removing other sound content. I have found the one in Cool Edit to be 100% effective. If you have to set up your own filters, set them for removal 59-61 Hz and 119-121 Hz.

When I upgraded from Vegas 4.0 to Vegas 6.0 I could not get the ShuttlePro to work with Vegas 6.0. The ShuttlePro would not work with 6.0(a) or 6.0(b).

I thought I was using the latest ShuttlePro driver, but I was not. I had downloaded the latest driver from www.contourav.com, but this is not the correct site to obtain the proper driver for Vegas 6.0.

It turns out that the proper driver is 2.6.4 which is available from www.contourdesign.com.

I understand from the Sony forum that there is a separate issue with using the ShuttlePro with the capture utility, but I have not attempted to address that issue as I only use the ShuttlePro within the main portion of Vegas.

Remember the name of the target executable for Vegas changed with the version change and the target application in the ShuttlePro settings file must be updated to point to the new filename.

Well, if you're going to use Procoder, you can save yourself a rendering step by frameserving out of Vegas using Satish's free frameserver app (debugmode.com).
It's as if you're rendering straight from the Vegas timeline, but using Procoder.

Hi,

30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Is the 30 FPS drop frame or non-drop frame? This may be the difference.

In drop frame video, Every frame :00 & :01 are dropped for each minute change except for minutes with 0’s (00:, 10:, 20:, 30:, 40: & 50:)

That being the case, there will be less than 30 frames per second if your clip is long enough! This can account for the % number from Sound Forge.

I believe you can stretch a clip in Vegas and maintain original sound pitch. If you want to do the entire piece that way, set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 28.97

Cheers,

-Matt

Whoops, I meant to say...

set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 23.97

You said...30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Which is right, but I'm going to 24 frames, not 25. If I were going to 25, the Sound Forge number would make sense, but it's 24.

Also, does changing the frame rate in properties change the playback speed? I was pretty sure that it just changes the environment (timeline, generated media, etc) but doesn't change a clip that's imported as 29.97.

Thoughts?

Thanks again.

This has nothing to do with Vegas. Like any other video application Vegas
just feeds uncompressed footage to the encoder (codec) and it can then
turn this into frames that get stored in the file format you choose.

The only thing you can really do is experiment with the different settings of
both the codecs. Why are you encoding to these formats? Is it for web
delivery? If so, most people go with QuickTime or Windows Media instead
of DivX (although it is quite popular).

If you are compressing for the web (this thread will then be moved to the
web delivery forum!) usually you want to drop resolution to half and framerate
to something like 15 frames per second to get smaller files. Yes, this will
result in a more choppy playback, but not much choice there (really), unless
it is okay to have large files.

Besides resolution and framerate the number of passes (more passes yield
better results) together with the bitrate define the final quality.

How do I do that? Do I have to download something or what is the process to convert it?

Hi DJ,

Whoops again, I meant 30/24=1.25 My fingers are too fat for their own good!

I just tried it setting the file properties frame rate in Vegas to 23.97, and you're right. It does not seem to change playback speed or project length. It seems to "remap" the 30 to 24. You might want to try some render tests to see how this interpolation occours, and if the results are satisfactory (I do not have any 30p footage or I'd try myself....) Let us know how it turns out!

Cheers,
-Matt