Have you had any offers yet? I may be in the market for another cam. It is on my list of acquisitions for next year but I am not in a huge hurry. If the right offer comes along I may go for it though.
Philip

Sorry no.

I don't think the license transfers.... Que?

Please clarify.

Someone had emailed me about the license info as well. Honestly I don't know- he stated it wasn't transferrable which of course is just anohter tactic to keep people from buying "not" new sets from them- I really hate that sort of "license agreement" but I guess if that's what it is- then that's what it is. I thought for the price they're asking, ownership of the cd's and their use would be in the buyers hands, but I guess they've "licensed" it to the original purchaser only.
So they're for sale for "personal use".......in light of this info- I'd take $150 for the set (they're basically unused and appear 100% new)

Have a good one guys.

If digital juice is that stingy with their license I will never buy any of their products. I was tempted with buying yours as well. That should be transferable. What a joke. Good Luck Selling. I'd find out for sure if it's transferable or not.

I was just thinking...

How sweet would this setup be as a Christmas present.

Tell your wives, tell your girlfriends, tell your wife's girlfriends, spread the word and the Christmas cheer, merry Christmas to all, and to all a good year.

(I kind of feel a song coming on)

Rob, I'm with you........when shelling out $300-$400 for CD's- you should be able to sell them and not have to worry about "License Transfers" to use them legally....they're supposed to be royalty-free and the musicians who performed the songs were paid- but I guess that's not enough....

....oh well- this is what corporate America wants for it's citizens.......the bottom line is the dollar!

I hope I sell them anyway. Thanks everyone.

Mint condition, NTSC, manuals, CD and cables.......12 tapes run through it.....also including a 64MB SimpleTech SD card for 2 megapixel still photos and mpeg-4 video onto the card.
Nice little video camera with Digic DV, Pictbridge capabilities and RGB Primary color filter for 3CCD-like video- also shoots true optical 16:9 video!

Paypal verified, stevenyc1@aol.com

(I wanna try a GS400 for kicks)

http://www.digitaljuice.com/community_forums/tm.asp?m=2821&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=transfer&language=single&tmode=&smode=&s=#2821

SALE PENDING

Eh, just tell them Steve here bought it for you as a birthday give. ;)

I'm not sure if you'd ever really need support using music CDs anyway. They're pretty self explanatory.

Jed was nice enough to link me to this post on Digital Juice's own forum:.......here goes:

Question:

I would like to use digital juice clips for a school video production to be broadcast on cable to our community. When I purchase a Juice product will I then have the legal rights to do that? What if I purchase a Juice product on Ebay? Are those rights transferable to a new owner? Thanks for your help.

Response from Juice Tech:
Digital Juice products are royalty free so you can use them in any production without an issue.

eBay... The license agreement is between Digital Juice and the original purchaser. We can not stop people from selling/buying on eBay, but you will not get the privileges and support given to "formal" customers.


OK- so who wants them? They're officially, "Royalty Free"!!!

This thread is about to get even more interesting. :)

So to my understanding, if I use a second-hand copy, I do not have any of the privileges & support of the original buyer (who cares about support, unless I need to document something for E&O insurance?). Privileges (to my reading) include the license and the right to make copies and use the material in other works. So while the music is royalty-free, I think I would still be in violation of the copyrights and subject to fines and penalties. Royalty-Free does not equal copyright-free.

There is never a SPOT around when you need one. :)

The Digital Juice tech guys stated you can use them in any production without an issue.....

...unless someone here makes a million dollars in their next production using the Backtraxx audio, I really doubt anyone is gonna care- that's my unofficial resonse- but then again- if you were making that kind of $$ from a production- you could always get a set and you'd have the "Official" licensing.....

.....I think the spirit of the tech guy was trying to say that buying a used set would be ok for productions without much hassel.

If this starts to get all crazy- I'll just withdraw the set- it's only $150 I'm trying to get for them.....I paid more for my camera flash- so this isn't worth getting nuts over.

Again, if the Digital Juice guys questioned anything just say Steve got them for you as a gift (that was a typo earlier). I don't see how they could argue with that.

Geez, you need a "Spot" around? :-) I guess Iv'e got quite a rep for being a copyright dink, huh?

Here's the deal....If DJ says that only the original purchaser has a licence to use, that's their prerogative. Licenses don't have to be transferable, and if the EULA says it's not....then it's not.
Many companies use restrictive licensing to keep a grip on who is using their products and where. For instance, if you had a television show such as "Orange County Choppers" that gets a lot of eyes and ears, they're gonna potentially want a piece of that, or more importantly, have access to a database that shows who bought the music library being used in that show for purposes of mechanical billing, if there is any fee. Remember, THEY, not YOU, own the copyright. Having royalty free tracks isn't the same as no copyright, and no performance royalty, which comes from the broadcaster.

I've not read their license, couldn't find it quick and easy on their website and I don't own their products, somewhat for this very reason.

Remember, I'm not a lawyer. I've just paid lots of "tuition" to learn about copyright issues.

Well, the plot has gotten even more interesting. I just went looking for the link to the license agreement, and DJ appears to have taken it off-line in the last 48 hours. WTF ???? Maybe they want people to buy their stuff second-hand!!

Maybe the legal dept over at DJ heard about this thread and decided to give their "policies" a review and decided to pull the "agreement" off their site.....wether this will be good or bad for 2nd hand copies of the material remains to be seen....but i'm willing to bet if it doesn't benefit them- it will be against the end-user.

<< Commercials kill me when they say, "Bank at XXXX Bank- we're the bank that cares"......funny- I've never gotten a call from a single commerical institution asking how I was doing.............it all about the dollars!!! >>

Just wondering if anybody has a used GL-2. Thanks!

FYI:

Digital Juice BackTraxx End User License Agreement
http://www.digitaljuice.com/license_btx.asp

Seems as if the "End User" has the agreement- now if the set is sold to another person- doesn't that make them the "End User" -it doesn't specify the "End User" has to be the individual that purchased the original set... ?

<< Technically one could say the set is a gift with a donation of $150 to the Steve Nunez Fund- see how silly these legalities are?? Tax exempt and all- you'd have to be a commercial lawyer to really sort all the legalities the companies are putting into everyday items we now purchase- honestly I hate the way America is shifting into this "mentality".... they're an original set ....I could see if I were selling copies of the stuff, but to simply sell a used set and get all this response is a bit much...what has happened to the good ole' USA >>

I'm just about ready to pull the plug on this.....it's just a set of CD's in original packaging- they're not copies- they're 100% original....I can't believe all the technical legalities being cited as a result of a casual sale to other DV enthusiasts.......I thought they'd make a perfect addition to anyone making their own home dv projects, that's all!

( sad and somewhat comical- in a non-funny way )

Steve, the posting was worth it just for this thread alone. Good info brought up here.


Maybe whoever buys them from you can just tag your name onto the production as Associate Producer, and that would cover the music. :)

Steve,

This thread and all the fuss is not about you and your deal so much as the state of copyright law confusion in regards to small videographers. I think this is actually the simplest issue I have seen in a while regarding copyrights. But I have been curious for a while as to whether resales were legal. Many RF companies do not post their license terms on-line, making it hard to figure out if a used set would be legal to use or not. (Please note that I contacted you privately about this before this discussion got started, and did not join the debate until someone else brought the subject up).

From the artist point of view, lets say you buy a library, use it for one project and sell it. Then someone else does the same thing. Pretty soon, you could have dozens of projects out there, all using one little slice of the library for their project, and the artist has to go back to work at Walmart because he only got paid for one project.

The DigitalJuice method of unlimited licensing is a boon to all of us, versus models like Freeplay, where you have to buy a license for every single project, and pay by minute of use and number of disks. $400 for 28 CD's of RF music is unbelieveable IMHO. I could pay $400 for one fully-licensed song. If we abuse the people who are more than generous with their creations , they will vanish and Free-play type licenses will be our only choice. We all know that BMI and ASCAP would just as soon put us out of business as deal with us.

You got a raw deal because you bought these CD's in good faith, but your buddy screwed you if you had used this music in a big project and gotten busted. Since you have no license agreement with DJ, you can't violate it by selling the discs now. Maybe you should treat it like a bad used car, and not sell it to a friend (we ARE still your friends, right?). :) Of course, if you truly believe that the next owner will have a royalty-free license, sell it that way. Or just make it available on eBay, and let people make their own decision. Maybe you can donate to a school for educational purposes (with no license) and take a tax deduction. (Everyone please save the tax advice!!). If I wanted music for home projects, I might consider buying it. As I said, you have no license to violate IMHO.

From my perspective, enlightened self-interest makes me honor whatever terms the artist chooses put on his work. If I don't like it, I don't buy it. I hope everyone will treat my work (software and video) equally well.

FWIW, I think I am going to buy the fullly-licensed version of this product as soon as I have a need for new music, now that it has come to my attention. It really is a very nice library, and their terms are completely acceptable to me.

Sorry for the long rant/post.

Good points for the artists...I don't want to cheat them of their fair pay.

I never took any of the comments personally or as being directed towards me......I'm just sore at what the "legal" system has done to the USA.

Years ago the USA had some of the best motorcycle racers in the world in competition...many of them citing their "young age riding" as the basis of their good performances.....but with todays legalities in the US- it's illegal for a young kid to ride a pocketbike in an empty parking lot because the land owner may get sued if he/she got hurt.....so we have no rising stars.....the people of the USA and it's law setup have abused the system to the point that we can't do much without a permit......believe it or not, you can't legally throw a frisbie or baseball in any NYC Park, it's a park violation......it's just ridiculous.....I was told to leave a local park because I had a tripod and "tripods" aren't allowed in a park without a valid permit.......

...so other countries where law suits actually had to make sense ( a kid's parents can't sue if they get hurt on a minibike on a lot because the kid fell of his own actions) have all the rising stars.....Japan, Italy etc are ruling the m/c racing scene because their youth get to riding/racing on lots and hone their skills.....

.......sorry for this rant, it's just really frustrating to see what has happened to America on many fronts.....we're becoming a hated country everywhere and when the citizens themselves feel something is wrong- we're in trouble!

Consider the set "Not for Sale"......I'll keep them as a reminder of this thread and it's issues.

Thanks to all who tried to help, good day all.

have D-100 pkg to trade for long lens,canon,sigma,tamron for the ef adapter.pkg has 3 nikor and 1 sigma lens and accessories.

I can go lower...is anyone interested?

email me Cubanb13@aol.com

I can go lower...is anyone interested?

Email me Cubanb13@aol.com

the 210 had been sold , all the other still waiting for new home

Item Sold...

i'll pay shipping 3 day priority mail

torrey c. harris

still got the trv 27 if so call me at

1-225-315-6677

torrey

You know my pain..DAMNIT.. :(

According to that site, "License is NON Transferable" (bottom of the page)

I called the company and they agreed to make an exeption when I explained what happened.

I have upgraded my Home Theatre. Therefore I would like to sell the slightly used one.

It is a Cambridge Soundworks Ensemble IV 5.1 system powered by a JVC reciever.

This outfit was $499 new. Would take $250 OBO. It is just taking up space in the back room .

This thing sounds awesome and takes up very little space. The speakers are small cubes that have an incredible dynamic range.

Kevin
Foristal Media Tulsa, OK

item removed to ebay.

i feel for you

Would you sell the ,ens by itself?
Bruce Yarock

no,

i want to sell as a package

Hi

Your item basically sounds like what I need.
BUT! Would you please list what is included as I am, not familiar with the "system" ?

Thanks

Martin

Selling my Vegas Training DVDs by Gary Kleiner. Very informative! 2 DVDs (3 hours long). I paid 48.50 +tax for it. I will sell it for 29.95 + shipping. Dvds are in brand new condition.


Sid

I am selling my Panasonic DVX100a.

It has no extras just everything that came with it standard (remote, strap, battery, battery charger so on) and it still has one year left under warranty - I bought it at BHPhoto NYC in person

The camera is 11 mos old and has 74 hrs logged usage and is in perfect shape

If you would like to make an offer:
http://www.bakermedia.com/learn/sendmessage.php

Are these for 4.0 or 5.0 ?

Why are you selling it?

It's toomuch camera for me - I'm an artist with software - I like to take good footage and make it look cool, I'm not nor will I ever be a camera man, dp or anything like that - Cameras and lights should be done by people that love it and I love software - I gave it a shot but I think any 3 chip camera would suffice for me -

Item Sold

For sale:
Panasonic DVX100(not A), 38 drum hours. All original accessories included, plus a VZ-DVX100 zoom controller new in the box.

If you want pictures or test footage I'll be happy to take them.
Would like $2300 but make me an offer. Need to sell asap.

Mike, I thought you were going with a HDV cam?

<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Mike, I thought you were going with a HDV cam? -->>>

I am when the next generation comes out - not now - with only the sony and jvc I dont see it as a wise move quite yet for the prosumer - I actually just want this:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=70622&catGroupId=17171&modelNo=PV-GS400&surfModel=PV-GS400

for the time being